Heihachi vs. Ryu

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
How much proof do you require? This is irrelevant as the evidence has been proven fact countless times here in KMC, and the fact that you don't accept that is irrelevant.

Wrong, just because he doesn't use the capability in-universe, does not mean that he cannot do it if he factually has the ability. I'm assuming then that you have not read VS forum rules, ergo, all combatants are bloodlusted and will not be holding back. Do you not understand what this means? it means that Akuma will NOT be holding off island busting physical attacks.

^ this is your oppinion, and is also quite irrelevant, plus it has no solid foundation on which to stand upon.

Superior in game feats which are canon but who cares about that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Essentially then you want to argue an out of character akuma which in the end isn't akuma just his feats at their best which haven't even been definitively proven as canon. All of the characters endings are within their abilities anyways but if an event doesn't take place it isn't canon.

Superior in game feats which are canon but who cares about that.

Essentially I am following the debating rules and you are not. Thats basically what all this amounts to.

The better question is why would Akuma hold back against out of universe opponents in a theoretical debate?

And again, they HAVE been proven canon, the burden of proof now lies with YOU. Besides, as I said, your level of "Proof" does not need to be met to satisfy the burden of proof, because you do not decide hat is and is not cannon.

Besides, the island busting feat was from Ryu's ending, not Akuma's... This one fact alone blows your entire premise out of the bloody water, since Ryu is the main character, and his ending are ALWAYS official unless retconned.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
But it was a draw battle. And he wasn't at full power when he hit the mountain.

And arguing whether it's canon or not is just silly, it is all canon.

We can't say he wasn't at full power when he hit the mountain but it's highly unlikely he was fighting Ryu at that same amount of power. Gouki even admitted it was a mere test and as I said earlier, he holds back in fights.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Essentially I am following the debating rules and you are not. Thats basically what all this amounts to.

The better question is why would Akuma hold back against out of universe opponents in a theoretical debate?

And again, they [b]HAVE been proven canon, the burden of proof now lies with YOU. Besides, as I said, your level of "Proof" does not need to be met to satisfy the burden of proof, because you do not decide hat is and is not cannon.

Besides, the island busting feat was from Ryu's ending, not Akuma's... This one fact alone blows your entire premise out of the bloody water, since Ryu is the main character, and his ending are ALWAYS official unless retconned. [/B]

The reason he holds back is because he does it's in character for him to do so. But akuma isn't in this debate so kindly drop it.

You keep asking for more "proof", when it is evident that Ryu's SF Alpha 2 ending is canon.

Drop it now... However, you gave us enough "proof" that you're an utter moron... Since Quan Chi is a magnificent bastard and the greatest puppet master of MK series, your nickname is a disgrace to that great char!

Originally posted by Meioh_Hades
You keep asking for more "proof", when it is evident that Ryu's SF Alpha 2 ending is canon.

Drop it now... However, you gave us enough "proof" that you're an utter moron... Since Quan Chi is a magnificient bastard and the greatest puppet master of MK series, your nickname is a disgrace to that great char!

That's the difference between you and I the things I argue for are gameplay based or canon to my characters not just wishful thinking.

Thinking... something you're not clearly used to.

And seriously... we all know that gameplay abilities aren't reliable when judging the canon power of a char, 'cause gameplay abilities are under the rule of game balance.

Originally posted by Meioh_Hades
Thinking... something you're not clearly used to.

And seriously... we all know that gameplay abilities aren't reliable when judging the canon power of a char, 'cause gameplay abilities are under the rule of game balance.

Originally posted by quanchi112
gameplay

Originally posted by NemeBro
Hahahahahaha what a loser.

I cannot hate such an enjoyable comedy.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I cannot hate such an enjoyable comedy.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
We can't say he wasn't at full power when he hit the mountain but it's highly unlikely he was fighting Ryu at that same amount of power. Gouki even admitted it was a mere test and as I said earlier, he holds back in fights.

There's absolutely no proof that it was a casual punch.

He just provided some.

He was not Shin or Oni, both being levels of power beyond his base form. Oni being even above Shin.

Leave.

No he didn't. It's just pure assumption, as there is absolutely nothing confirming that he was holding back .

You can't even prove that he hit Ryu with that punch either.

Shin and Oni are Akuma's more powerful forms. Normal Akuma is him holding back. Plain and simple.

But where was it stating that Akuma was holding back at that moment? And where was it stating he hit Ryu with that same amount of strength?

......... Shut up. 😬

Shin Akuma

Oni Akuma
http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu297/IVredantares/07_oniartwork.jpg

He looked nothing like that when he punched the island.

Therefore, he was holding back. 😐

Edit: Linked to Oni Akuma pic, was too large.

You still didn't provide any conclusive evidence.

Either prove that it was a casual punch that he just happen to hit Ryu with or just drop it!