Originally posted by Zampanó
Let me give you an analogous situation.Two soccer teams are facing off, let's say Manchester United and Galaxy. If I were to tell you that Manchester United has a terrific defense, say 27 average steals by the defense per game (this is where I reveal how little I know about sports) and that they have perfected a 1/3/0 defense, and that their offense has had only one offsides call this season and that they have a relatively good average of points scored vs. shots taken, who would you say wins the match?
If your answer is anything other than "I don't know" then you're doing it wrong. The answer to an unknown match is "I don't know."
Unknowns don't automatically lose.
It would depend on whether the question were solely open to a certainty or to a full range of probability.
In probability theory, in the face of an unknown you would assume an average value, so when confronted with a team as relatively good as Manchester United, a team so beyond the average as Manchester United, the likelihood is that they would emerge victorious against a completely unknown side.
Originally posted by truejedi
This is true. So we could say the thread is pointless. Or, we could say that statistically speaking, if I told you that a team was better than 80 percent of known teams, and we know nothing about the other team, there is a strong statistical chance that the known team would be better than the unknown team.For instance, if you said, the 98' Bulls are playing an unknown team, the unknown team is going to lose, every time.
Bad logic TJ. The '98 Bulls lost 20 regular season games. See how that works?
they lost 20 times, but i'm still statistically speaking, more likely to be right if I pick them to win over an unknown team. Not bad logic, you just misunderstood my point. Sure, they have a chance to be beaten, but if you were betting money, you would put it on the bulls. (i meant the 96 bulls anyway, i screwed that up...)
Originally posted by Igon Flombaigne
It would depend on whether the question were solely open to a certainty or to a full range of probability.In probability theory, in the face of an unknown you would assume an average value, so when confronted with a team as relatively good as Manchester United, a team so beyond the average as Manchester United, the likelihood is that they would emerge victorious against a completely unknown side.
That's a hell of a lot more information than we've got about lightsaber ability for any era, let alone the overall arc of the mythos.
Originally posted by truejedi
they lost 20 times, but i'm still statistically speaking, more likely to be right if I pick them to win over an unknown team. Not bad logic, you just misunderstood my point. Sure, they have a chance to be beaten, but if you were betting money, you would put it on the bulls. (i meant the 96 bulls anyway, i screwed that up...)
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We know about his prowess with the Force and the manner and extent to which it would likely contribute to his effectiveness with a lightsaber; we know that he had been a battle hardened Jedi (I think?) and may have likely retained his technical proficiency with the weapon following the incident on Malachor V; we know that he carried one around with him with the presumable intention of using it in a combat scenario.
There are multiple examples within the mythos of extremely powerful Force Users with seemingly little to no training or recent practise with the weapon performing more effectively with the weapon then those that are highly trained and skilled with it, and the idea that prowess with the Force is the real determining factor in a lightsaber engagement is a principle that's echoed by numerous lightsaber trainers and experts. Given that Darth Nihilus, in many ways, has demonstrated himself to be one of the most powerful Force Users, if not the single most powerful Force User, in the entirety of the mythologies, and has demonstrated at least some level of training/experience with the weapon and an inclination to use it, I feel it would be unfair to immediately label him an unknown and assume either an average value for his ability or that he would immediately be defeated by anybody with more directly realised abilities with the weapon.
Originally posted by Igon Flombaigne
We know about his prowess with the Force and the manner and extent to which it would likely contribute to his effectiveness with a lightsaber;
We know that he carried one around with him with the presumable intention of using it in a combat scenario.,
There are multiple examples within the mythos of extremely powerful Force Users with seemingly little to no training or recent practise with the weapon performing more effectively with the weapon then those that are highly trained and skilled with it,
and the idea that prowess with the Force is the real determining factor in a lightsaber engagement is a principle that's echoed by numerous lightsaber trainers and experts.
Given that Darth Nihilus, in many ways, has demonstrated himself to be one of the most powerful Force Users, if not the single most powerful Force User, in the entirety of the mythologies, and has demonstrated at least some level of training/experience with the weapon and an inclination to use it,
Um, ...likely? What makes you think so? Please elaborate.
More Force = better in combat.
What are these multiple examples? Care to give some of them.
Luke Skywalker. Anakin Skywalker. Darth Bane. Darth Sidious.
Kas'im disagrees.
Um, no he doesn't. He was the one who explicitly said that the Force is the deciding, and most important factor in lightsaber combat. He only said that its possible for someone more skilled in lightsaber combat to beat one stronger in the Force, and then later showed how that is so when he pulled a second saber on Bane's ass. As it is, Force > Skill almost every time.
Originally posted by Nephthys
More Force = better in combat.
Luke Skywalker. Anakin Skywalker. Darth Bane. Darth Sidious.
Um, no he doesn't. He was the one who explicitly said that the Force is the deciding, and most important factor in lightsaber combat. He only said that its possible for someone more skilled in lightsaber combat to beat one stronger in the Force, and then later showed how that is so when he pulled a second saber on Bane's ass.