Clubber Lang vs. Ivan Drago

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Drago lasted longer than both of Lang's fights combined.

Context. Plus, you can't use the first fight as a measuring stick, because Rocky was distracted.

In sport people don't dismiss wins and losses if you show up not at your best. What planet are you from ?

Lang decimated Rocky whereas Drago did not.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Lang won Drago didn't.

In sport people don't dismiss wins and losses if you show up not at your best. What planet are you from ?

Lang decimated Rocky whereas Drago did not.

Pathetic excuses to lowball.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Pathetic excuses to lowball.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I recite the facts. You want to ignore them. Sickening.

Quoting records without context is lowballing, your denial of this is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Quoting records without context is lowballing, your denial of this is irrelevant.

Your logic is as awful as your skills with the ladies.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Drago never bested Rocky whereas Lang had before. 1-1 against Lang whereas he was 1-0 against Drago.

Your logic is as awful as your skills with the ladies.

Again, quoting record without context. You've proven my point superbly.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Your entire argument is based on the fact that Rocky dodged or blocked a few of Lang's hits. That doesn't prove anything. It doesn't prove Rocky can't take Lang's hits, because we see Lang unload on Rocky a few times, and Rocky takes it just fine. You'd have some kind of argument if Rocky was seriously staggered or injured, but this never happens in their rematch. Instead Rocky actively mocks Lang throughout the fight. Rocky tried out the techniques Apollo taught him and that's all it is. He reverted back to his own style when he faced Drago, as it suits him better. Your simply over-analyzing things.

It wasn't "a few" and it means a lot. We can say "well i think ABC while you think XYZ" but in this case we can clearly see what the actual character thought. That carries a ton of weight. He was staggered and injured. Enough so that he changed tactics mid fight, something he has never done or ever did again. He only mocked him as a part of the strategy and it was even stated by the announcer(just in case the viewer couldn't figure out what was happening). He did "try out" the techniques, he heavily relied upon them. He reverted against Drago because he could. He didn't need to avoid his softer hits like he had to with Lang

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Again, quoting record without context. You've proven my point superbly.

I'd love to hear sports center according to your girly brain. This teams top wideout was injured so the receiving yards suffered thus they beat the team not at their best. 😂

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Context. Plus, you can't use the first fight as a measuring stick, because Rocky was distracted.

While it's true there was context involved it really wouldn't have made a difference since Rocky needed to adopt a whole new style to contend with Lang. Had Mick not died Rocky would have still gone in leading with his face as he normally does and Lang would have KO'd him just the same. The whole point of the training was to teach Balboa how to stick and move which is what he needed to do in order to win

Originally posted by quanchi112
In sports we don't discount losses due to injuries or anything. Both fighters were healthy and one won and one lost.

And here I thought we were discussing a vs match on a debating forum.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I'd love to hear sports center according to your girly brain. This teams top wideout was injured so the receiving yards suffered thus they beat the team not at their best. 😂

Again, there is a Worlds difference between a theoretical vs match, and an actual boxing match. This debate is about actual ability, not sporting statistics you simple chimp.

Originally posted by juggerman
While it's true there was context involved it really wouldn't have made a difference since Rocky needed to adopt a whole new style to contend with Lang. Had Mick not died Rocky would have still gone in leading with his face as he normally does and Lang would have KO'd him just the same. The whole point of the training was to teach Balboa how to stick and move which is what he needed to do in order to win

Except that you cannot prove that. That's an assertion that cannot be backed up. "What if" isn't going to alter what is.

Originally posted by juggerman
It wasn't "a few" and it means a lot. We can say "well i think ABC while you think XYZ" but in this case we can clearly see what the actual character thought. That carries a ton of weight. He was staggered and injured. Enough so that he changed tactics mid fight, something he has never done or ever did again. He only mocked him as a part of the strategy and it was even stated by the announcer(just in case the viewer couldn't figure out what was happening). He did "try out" the techniques, he heavily relied upon them. He reverted against Drago because he could. He didn't need to avoid his softer hits like he had to with Lang

Oh, please. Rocky dodged like 25% of Lang's hits at best. And it was mostly at the start, too. Then he tanked his shots. It's that simple. The fact is Clubber had a whole lot of clean shots, but still failed to KO Rocky. Same as Drago and everyone else. The only difference is that Drago had better strength and punching feats. And you're ignoring the fact that Rocky trained for speed and technique for his fight with Clubber, but he had to improve his strength and stamina to face Drago.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Except that you cannot prove that. That's an assertion that cannot be backed up. "What if" isn't going to alter what is.

We are shown Rocky needs to alter his fighting style as his "go to" style will not be enough here. That's clear intent by the writer(Stallone) and the characters themselves

Originally posted by Psychotron
Oh, please. Rocky dodged like 25% of Lang's hits at best. And it was mostly at the start, too. Then he tanked his shots. It's that simple. The fact is Clubber had a whole lot of clean shots, but still failed to KO Rocky. Same as Drago and everyone else. The only difference is that Drago had better strength and punching feats. And you're ignoring the fact that Rocky trained for speed and technique for his fight with Clubber, but he had to improve his strength and stamina to face Drago.

He dodged and blocked well over 50% of the hits. Drago had way more clean shots than Clubber and still Rocky didn't need to change tactics

EDIT: and Clubber has the better punching feat. It takes less to kill Creed than it takes to KO Rocky as proven by Rocky 4.

Originally posted by juggerman
He dodged and blocked well over 50% of the hits. Drago had way more clean shots than Clubber and still Rocky didn't need to change tactics

EDIT: and Clubber has the better punching feat. It takes less to kill Creed than it takes to KO Rocky as proven by Rocky 4.

No he didn't. Rocky probably took 50-100 punches from Clubber in those 3 rounds.

Yeah, keep ignoring context. It's not like those are two completely different versions of Rocky. If you put Clubber in the same ring with Rocky from Rocky IV it would be a massacre. I doubt Lang would make it to the second round.

Are juggerman and quan related?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
And here I thought we were discussing a vs match on a debating forum.

Again, there is a Worlds difference between a theoretical vs match, and an actual boxing match. This debate is about actual ability, not sporting statistics you simple chimp.

It does. Rocky took Drago's best and didn't need to block and amp his speed like he did against Lang.

Lang wins inside of two rounds. One knockdown is all that is required to beat Drago.

Originally posted by Psychotron
No he didn't. Rocky probably took 50-100 punches from Clubber in those 3 rounds.

Yeah, keep ignoring context. It's not like those are two completely different versions of Rocky. If you put Clubber in the same ring with Rocky from Rocky IV it would be a massacre. I doubt Lang would make it to the second round.

Only if you count the blocked ones

I'm not at. Unless you can prove Rocky's head became harder you have no argument on this. Also Lang tossed Rocky back into the corner as he was trying to escape in round two. That requires a lot more strength than knocking a man backwards while he's staggering with a charging punch

Originally posted by juggerman
Only if you count the blocked ones

I'm not at. Unless you can prove Rocky's head became harder you have no argument on this. Also Lang tossed Rocky back into the corner as he was trying to escape in round two. That requires a lot more strength than knocking a man backwards while he's staggering with a charging punch

No, I don't count them. And blocking doesn't protect you nearly as much as you think.

He clearly had more stamina in Rocky 4. He ran up goddamn mountain ffs. Drago threw Rocky around, too.

Why do people keep saying Rocky ranked Drago's shots or even Clubber's... he was downed in both fights and multiple times.. that isn't tanking.. that's surviving and barely at that.