Originally posted by EpicurusYou're ignoring all of Drago's punches after the first bell, the fact Apollo was well out of his prime, and the fact it was an exhibition fight you imbecile.
So Drago's feats of KOing guys wearing headgear with a few punches is still being ignored in light of Lang KOing an out of shape Rocky with a bunch of haymakers? Nevermind killing Apollo and the other jazz.Awful. Downright awful.
Originally posted by RobtardHe did due to all the illegal after the bell punches he got in. Drago looked at it like a real matchup against an out of his prime former champ.
Did you miss the fact that Drago wasn't taking it as an exhibition fight and why Apollo looked like a peice of raw beaten meat right after round one? Then later died. Did you miss that important piece?You should probabaly watch the film, as you're getting the facts wrong again 🙂
Quit ignoring the fact the guy was a shell and he cheated in an exhibition matchup with after the bell punches. He did the same thing to Rocky.
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Originally posted by RobtardYou're a hypocrite. On one hand you say lang's win doesn't mean shit but tout the Drago win over an out his prime Creed like its cool despite the fact he cheated as well.
You should probably watch the film, as you're ignoring context and doing your usual youtube clip debating 🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112
You're a hypocrite.On one hand you say lang's win doesn't mean shit
but tout the Drago win over an out his prime Creed like its cool despite the fact he cheated as well.
1) Ad hominem attack (and a lie) 🙂
2) Strawman argument. I never claimed that, you're lying again and misrepresenting my point concerning Lang-Rocky's first match. Rocky was not in top shape and Lang only beat him 🙂
3) Very poor logic. You're ignoring that: A) While not in his prime, Apollo was still in great physical shape and had his moves B) Drago didn't just beat Apollo, he killed him 🙂
Three reasons why you're the worst debater in the MVF 🙂
Originally posted by RobtardI explained why after and you are ok with throwing attacks in there so don't throw stones in glass houses.
1) Ad hominem attack (and a lie) 🙂2) Strawman argument. I never claimed that, you're lying again and misrepresenting my point concerning Lang-Rocky's first match. Rocky was not in top shape and Lang only beat him 🙂
3) Very poor logic. You're ignoring that: A) While not in his prime, Apollo was still in great physical shape and had his moves B) Drago didn't just beat Apollo, he killed him 🙂
Three reasons why you're the worst debater in the MVF 🙂
Rocky was in great shape just wasn't or didn't have the eye of the tiger. He wasn't hungry anymore but needed creed speed to defeat him unlike his win over Drago.
Apollo wasn't young and well past his prime. That was a rather obvious point of the movie. Rocky even alludes to this to Apollo who also took on someone he had no intel on. He fought an unknown opponent past his prime. Lang also cheated.
He did kill a guy in an exhibition matchup after he cheated. 😂
You seem to believe this is awesome. You're not even a debater, honestly.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I explained why after and you are ok with throwing attacks in there so don't throw stones in glass houses.Rocky was in great shape just wasn't or didn't have the eye of the tiger. He wasn't hungry anymore but needed creed speed to defeat him unlike his win over Drago.
Apollo wasn't young and well past his prime. That was a rather obvious point of the movie. Rocky even alludes to this to Apollo who also took on someone he had no intel on. He fought an unknown opponent past his prime. Lang also cheated.
He did kill a guy in an exhibition matchup after he cheated. 😂
You seem to believe this is awesome. You're not even a debater, honestly.
No, you lied.
You're ignoring the entire premise of Rocky 3 now. Micky explained it clearly, Rocky was not in top shape when he first faced Lang. The film > your beliefs.
Apoolo was still in great shape, had his moves and was a former champion. Him being killed by Drago was to further cement in us that Drago was a machine and Rocky's greatest challenge to date. You need to pay better attention.
More rage rants, I expect it from you 🙂
Originally posted by RobtardNo, I didn't, skirt.
No, you lied.You're ignoring the entire premise of Rocky 3 now. Micky explained it clearly, Rocky was not in top shape when he first faced Lang. The film > your beliefs.
Apoolo was still in great shape, had his moves and was a former champion. Him being killed by Drago was to further cement in us that Drago was a machine and Rocky's greatest challenge to date. You need to pay better attention.
More rage rants, I expect it from you 🙂
He was in great shape just not hungry and minus the eye of the tiger. I interpret correctly whereas you don't.
Apollo was past his prime and completely unaware of the steroid user who also cheated in the ring after the bell. No, Lang was since Lang destroyed him. Drago failed to beat him one single time despite the steroid abuse.
The entire nation turned on Drago and looked at him as a disgrace.
Lang 1-1 against Rocky. Creed was afraid of Lang.
Rocky was 1-0 against Drago.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I didn't, skirt.He was in great shape just not hungry and minus the eye of the tiger. I interpret correctly whereas you don't.
Apollo was past his prime and completely unaware of the steroid user who also cheated in the ring after the bell. No, Lang was since Lang destroyed him. Drago failed to beat him one single time despite the steroid abuse.
The entire nation turned on Drago and looked at him as a disgrace.
Lang 1-1 against Rocky. Creed was afraid of Lang.
Rocky was 1-0 against Drago.
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What Mickey said in the film to Rocky > your fantasies
The plot of Rocky 4 > your fantasies
You lost due to ignorance again. Condolences.
Originally posted by RobtardHe says he doesn't have the hunger anymore. Micky states what I said. Lol. He isn't hungry. That is the point. Thanks for assisting me.
What Mickey said in the film to Rocky > your fantasiesThe plot of Rocky 4 > your fantasies
You lost due to ignorance again. Condolences.
Rocky says this to Apollo. I am citing the characters to prove my points, skirt.
You can't ignore the fact Drago used steroids and hit an out of his prime fighter after the bell.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He says he doesn't have the hunger anymore. Micky states what I said. Lol. He isn't hungry. That is the point. Thanks for assisting me.Rocky says this to Apollo. I am citing the characters to prove my points, skirt.
You can't ignore the fact Drago used steroids and hit an out of his prime fighter after the bell.
Stop lying. You didn't understand the film. Granted, you probably didn't watch it.
Mickey goes on to say that Lang was correct in saying Rocky's had fights picked for him so he could easily win. ie Rocky didn't have to really train or push himself hard for the last three years, he was facing chumps. Stop ignoring context.
The allusion to Drago's steroid use was to further cement that Drogo was going to be Rocky's toughest opponent.
Originally posted by RobtardMicky states what I said. You ranting about me not watching it isn't debating its trying to gloss over his words.
Stop lying. You didn't understand the film. Granted, you probably didn't watch it.Mickey goes on to say that Lang was correct in saying Rocky's had fights picked for him so he could easily win. ie Rocky didn't have to really train or push himself hard for the last three years, he was facing chumps. Stop ignoring context.
The allusion to Drago's steroid use was to further cement that Drogo was going to be Rocky's toughest opponent.
He was still in great shape just complacent. Look at his physique you dummy. Bodies don't get like that sitting on their asses.
No, it just showed how badly this guy would cheat and yet still lost.
He was a disgrace.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Micky states what I said. You ranting about me not watching it isn't debating its trying to gloss over his words.He was still in great shape just complacent. Look at his physique you dummy. Bodies don't get like that sitting on their asses.
No, it just showed how badly this guy would cheat and yet still lost.
He was a disgrace.
Oh my, you're a dense one. Rocky not being in top condition when he faced Lang the first time due to Rocky having cherry picked opponents for his last 10 title defenses IS LITERALLY A MAIN PLOT of Rocky III. The film > your nonsense.
Working out to build a physique doesn't automatically mean you're a great boxer, you ridiculous person. We see Rocky's lack of ability due to his years pf stagnation when he loses to Lang and then we see how he obliterates Lang in 3 rounds after he's trained. His physique was about the same in either match.
Quanchi logic: Being muscular = you're a great fighter by default 🙂
Originally posted by RobtardI said he was in great shape not in eye of the tiger shape. What I say is exactly correct.
Oh my, you're a dense one. Rocky not being in top condition when he faced Lang the first time due to Rocky having cherry picked opponents for his last 10 title defenses IS LITERALLY A MAIN PLOT of Rocky III. The film > your nonsense.Working out to build a physique doesn't automatically mean you're a great boxer, you ridiculous person. We see Rocky's lack of ability due to his years pf stagnation when he loses to Lang and then we see how he obliterates Lang in 3 rounds after he's trained. His physique was about the same in either match.
Quanchi logic: Being muscular = you're a great fighter by default 🙂
I said he was in great shape not eye of tiger shape. He wins due to creed speed. That was a major plot point that he needed speed in order to best him. Only opponent he ever needed speed in order to beat. He didn't need creed speed against Drago.
Rocky was in great shape evidenced by him being a reigning champ just not eye of the tiger shape. 😂
Lang was the embodiement of the eye of the tiger, he was what rocky used to be before the fame and fortune so when they met he wrecked his shit. rocky trained after the loss, got himself refined and adapted to lang's attack strategy and beat him.
drago was a whole new beast. he really had no flaws other than the origin of his power is illegal, but he doesn't have the small tank of lang. rocky won with sheer will and the training made him not die taking the hits from drago.
drago would obviously win the fight so the only real question would be who would win if drago didn't dope for a year or two and had to fight a clubber lang who was formally trained (and listened to said trainers) by an equal to rocky's team. under those conditions i'd give it to lang as he seemed to be championship level without formal training. he was a a diamond in the rough at title fight level, so with more refinement he'd not only beat up drago but he might have killed rocky in the 3rd movie