Clubber Lang vs. Ivan Drago

Originally posted by Lestov16
1. No more speculative than your stance

2. Fine, we'll compare it this way: which one of the two had the punching power to kill a man (who was in great shape) in 2 rounds? 🙂

3. What, besides your bullshit interpretation of Rocky's blocking, suggests Clubber hits harder than normal? Also, again, get out of la-la land with the notion that Rocky couldn't take Lang's hits, when his entire strategy relied on Lang wailing on him

4. Well how about that? When Rocky decided to get in his face and Clubber unleashed his full punching power on him, he got tired out and KOed in 1 round. Drago didn't get tired out for 15 rounds.

5. Neck thing was shown, you are just too stupid to actually comprehend it.

6. Either way, he had the strength, and it was obviously unrivaled.

7.

That was the point of the scene.

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With you again completely ignoring factors like his training granting him more durability to tank Dragos hits, no wonder your opinion is 100% objective fact 🙂

8. Again, you seem to want a pinpoint diagram. that shit's not happening. Read a biology and fitness textbook so you can properly comprehend the scene instead of me having to spell it out for you like I'm your 1st grade teacher, you lazy bastard.

9. YouTube video

10. OK, I'll be honest. I'm impressive, Quanchi. I didn't know you were smart enough to hack juggerman's account.

It was a montage of him doing numerous regimens, not just mountain climbing, all of which are clearly affecting his entire body and are more strenuous and mass-building than any previous training regimen. No matter how much you whine, you aren't going to get a diagram that spells it out like a kindergartner.

1. Much more

2. Lang never had the opportunity to fight Creed. But they both fought Rocky.

3. It isn't bullshit. It happened. That's a fact you can't take away no matter how hard you try. His entire strategy didn't rely on it tho. Just the one he thought up on the fly in round 2

4. We already know Lang has shit stamina so that point is pretty moot. Plus Rocky wasn't taking Lang's hits full force when he "let him wail on him". He did let Drago hit him clean tho and lasted 15 rounds

5. It wasn't tho

6. It was unrivaled. It was either greater than most or surpassed by Lang. No one was on his level tho.

7. To show he hit much harder than average. I agree he does

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Yet you have absolutely no proof of this. Just biased speculation.

8. Again with the nothing? Geez

9. Yup

10. Cute

No matter how much you seem to want to believe something happened here, if it didn't then it didn't. Give it up

Originally posted by Lestov16
You are saying he is in punching power, and as Rob said, that is ignoring the premise of the films.

I believe Drago was intended to be stronger but feats say otherwise.

Originally posted by juggerman
He needed to block them. You are acting like that means nothing. It means a whole lot here seeing as how he took Drago's with no issue. Count them out if you like. The whole time, except when Lang caught him ion the corner, Rocky avoided and blocked the shots. He got a few in here and there but nowhere near 50

I know it isn't special that's why i'm asking where was it shown. If we are assuming he did neck exercises in 4 because "boxers do them" then we must assume he's always done them. And if he's always done them, what did he do differently in 4 that made his durability go up so far?

Not at all

No one denied that.

I'm acting like it means nothing, because it means nothing. He took more than his fair share of shots and blocking doesn't really protect you as much as you think. And he didn't even block that many hits. He mocked Lang and tanked a lot more. Nigga, he took 26 shots in just one moment, and you think 50 is a stretch? lawl

Because he focused on strength and muscle more. He's always done weightlifting, but now he upped the training just to survive Drago. That's what the training montage shows us, in Rocky he climbs a flight of stairs at the end, but in Rocky IV he climbs a goddamn mountain. That scene is there to show you just how much stronger Rocky has gotten and tougher has gotten. Just like the scenes of Drago measuring his PSI is there to show us that Drago is strongest opponent Rocky's faced.

Uh-huh.

You tried to underplay it.

Originally posted by juggerman
I believe Drago was intended to be stronger but feats say otherwise.

Yeah, Drago having legit superhuman punches, killing Creed, and giving Rocky brain damage are good feats, but nothing compared to Lang's feat of losing to Rocky in 3 rounds.

juggerquan probably thinks that Lang hits harder than Captain America.

Originally posted by Psychotron
I'm acting like it means nothing, because it means nothing. He took more than his fair share of shots and blocking doesn't really protect you as much as you think. And he didn't even block that many hits. He mocked Lang and tanked a lot more. Nigga, he took 26 shots in just one moment, and you think 50 is a stretch? lawl

Because he focused on strength and muscle more. He's always done weightlifting, but now he upped the training just to survive Drago. That's what the training montage shows us, in Rocky he climbs a flight of stairs at the end, but in Rocky IV he climbs a goddamn mountain. That scene is there to show you just how much stronger Rocky has gotten and tougher has gotten. Just like the scenes of Drago measuring his PSI is there to show us that Drago is strongest opponent Rocky's faced.

Uh-huh.

You tried to underplay it.

It means everything. He took 26 in the only moment in the fight that he lost control. The rest of the fight he was barely touched.

I know what he focused on. You still haven't shown anything that shows him able to take stronger punches tho.

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Not in the least

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yeah, Drago having legit superhuman punches, killing Creed, and giving Rocky brain damage are good feats, but nothing compared to Lang's feat of losing to Rocky in 3 rounds.

You're comparing apples and oranges here. Strength =/= stamina/durability

Originally posted by Silent Master
juggerquan probably thinks that Lang hits harder than Captain America.

Nope. Troll harder

Originally posted by juggerman
Nope. Troll harder

Like you?

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yeah, Drago having legit superhuman punches, killing Creed, and giving Rocky brain damage are good feats, but nothing compared to Lang's feat of losing to Rocky in 3 rounds.

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Originally posted by juggerman
1. Much more

2. Lang never had the opportunity to fight Creed. But they both fought Rocky.

3. It isn't bullshit. It happened. That's a fact you can't take away no matter how hard you try. His entire strategy didn't rely on it tho. Just the one he thought up on the fly in round 2

4. We already know Lang has shit stamina so that point is pretty moot. Plus Rocky wasn't taking Lang's hits full force when he "let him wail on him". He did let Drago hit him clean tho and lasted 15 rounds

5. It wasn't tho

6. It was unrivaled. It was either greater than most or surpassed by Lang. No one was on his level tho.

7. To show he hit much harder than average. I agree he does

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Yet you have absolutely no proof of this. Just biased speculation.

8. Again with the nothing? Geez

9. Yup

10. Cute

No matter how much you seem to want to believe something happened here, if it didn't then it didn't. Give it up

Look juggerquan, the only reason Rocky didn't tap Lang's ass the first time was because of sub-par training and distractions. When he got good again, he decimated Clubber in a mere 3 rounds. He used a more extensive training regimen (doubly fueled by rage at Apollo's death) to gain more muscle mass than ever before to fight Drago. This is why he was more durable and tanking Drago's hits, not because Drago was weaker but because Rocky got stronger. As stated before, Drago was knocking out men with headgear and outright killed a man due to his supreme punching power. Clubber doesn't even come close. Stop ignoring the facts and spewing bullshit. Your interpretation doesn't supersede the filmmakers or common logic just because you don't understand how bodybuilding works.

While he's obviously wrong going by the films, there's no reason to get mean.

From your many debates with me, you know that I am caustic in my criticism.

Hmmm, at least we can all agree that Jack Bauer would get soundly defeated by everyone in any Rocky film, including Adrian.

Well considering how Mai Lihn kicked his ass, McClane is definitely under the same category 🙂

You don't want to restart this, Rob.

McClane would solo the entire Rocky lineup, even if they all were flying F-35s.

No, you don't, Les.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yeah, Drago having legit superhuman punches, killing Creed, and giving Rocky brain damage are good feats, but nothing compared to Lang's feat of losing to Rocky in 3 rounds.

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So Drago's feats of KOing guys wearing headgear with a few punches is still being ignored in light of Lang KOing an out of shape Rocky with a bunch of haymakers? Nevermind killing Apollo and the other jazz.

Awful. Downright awful.

Originally posted by juggerman
It means everything. He took 26 in the only moment in the fight that he lost control. The rest of the fight he was barely touched.

I know what he focused on. You still haven't shown anything that shows him able to take stronger punches tho.

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Not in the least

Pfft. That's not even close to being true. He suffered plenty of hits before and after that, and let's not forget all the body shots. If Lang was as strong as you say those 26 shots in a row would have KOed Rocky, but they didn't.

I already explained to you how muscle mass softens incoming hits, and we clearly see Rocky training for strength against Drago. I don't know what more you want. Also, he didn't train for technique again, like he did against Clubber, because he already had it.

I'm even going to respond to this anymore, it's trolling.

Yes, you are. You tried to pass off a few bruises as greater damage than brain damage.

Originally posted by juggerman
You're comparing apples and oranges here. Strength =/= stamina/durability

No. There is a correlation. Take some wimp and a muscular guy, both with no combat training or experience, and start punching them. Who do you think would fall first?