The Scenario
Greater Sci-Fi combatant
Originally posted by quanchi112
My argument is Link can cut through armor just like anyone with above human strength with precise/skillful thrusts. You are overexaggerating it once again. If he was so much stronger he'd simply overpower the knight or he'd be at a loss to take him head on but he's not it all comes down to skill level.
Precise, skillful thrusts do not cause metal armor to fly off. At best, the skill required would be to get past the armor, going between the metal bits to strike at more vulnerable inner sections. Contrary to what you seem to be saying, most knights die with their armor on, while whatever killed them either pierced it or hit a gap. That is not what happens with Darknuts. With Darknuts, Link demonstrably cuts through the armor, knocking pieces of it off. He is not maneuvering his sword into holes in the armor, he is cutting right through it.
I agree he needs them to match up with him but has the strength to lift him. Without the boots he can't match up with Dangoro though which is the point.
No, that is not the point. This is strength feat, not a "match up" feat. All I'm proving is that Link has massive amounts of strength via the lifting of Dangoro. We're arguing different things here, you're saying Link needs the boots to fight, while I'm saying he doesn't need them to lift. By proving Link can lift, I'm establishing that Link has superhuman strength, and that has nothing to with how he fight Dangoro. Forget the fight, Dangoro is effectively a weight, and Link lifting and throwing that weight puts Link at levels of strength above MK.
He wasn't completely disintegrated his molecules were bfr'd. There's a huge difference but if it benefited a zelda character I'd imagine you'd throw theories around for the sky being red. Dorf has the power of the triforce so of course he is going to make this tiny world more powerful based off of the triforce. Him needing a few hundred years and Zant to get back shows a need for someone else to help him achieve his objectives.
You saw it, Ganondorf was separated into tiny particles before being BFR'd. He was BFR'd, yes, but he was clearly disintegrated beforehand. And he survived, good job. But, you are forgetting that Ganondorf was not at full power to begin with, so why are you treating him as if he was? He just came back to life, and had only gotten the power seconds before, so he didn't even know how to use it. Plus, you still haven't proved it was a hundreds years.
I understood it as Dorf piggybacked through Zant to come back to Hyrule and while there could go in and out of the room through teleportation. He never teleported across dimensions or to other worlds on his own without Zant.
In and out of the room? Out of the room to where? Ganon is not just crossing the room, he actually disappears for upwards of 15 seconds at a time, having gone somewhere else through a twilight portal. He uses the same portals anyone who crosses dimensions uses, and has crossed dimension in several other games. Heck, remember Ocarina of Time (Forest Temple) he opens portals to the gap between dimensions. A Link to the Past features Ganon moving through the Dark World. The guy has escaped every sealing and BFR he's ever been put through, including in Twilight Princess, where he uses Twilight power for it rather his usual styles.
Dorf was beaten by Link at his most powerful so color me unimpressed. He also needs outside emotions to be at his best thus showing a real dependence not only on Zant but other people to increase his powers. The mirror wasn't completely destroyed and who cares i fit was it did the job of successfully bfring Dorf.
Why is Link beating Ganondorf unimpressive when there was the Master Sword? Where is it said he needs outside emotions, since I've shown you Ganondorf just used it to get strong. He's not even dependant on Zant since, in case you forget, Zant died and Ganondorf was fine. Why is the Mirror being shattered not important? It no longer works on Ganondorf, and that proved it.
If he awoke it means he was unconcious. If you won't honor the videos you yourself put up don't put them up. I don't replay the game just to debate with you but since you put it up it stated it clearly. Awoke means you were unconscious prior to awaking.
Why is being unconscious from a disintegration not impressive? Heck, it means he survived being separated into particles after coming back to life from an impalement. The Mirror is a powerful artifact, if you remember, capable of transforming and corrupting the minds of other creatures, and that was just the fragments, while Ganondorf's banishing tore him to pieces and left him in a spiritual form. Sounds impressive to me.
This still doesn't change the fact his power is dependent on the emotions of others and despite being at an all time power high Link still beat him anyways. Dorf being inexperienced still doesn't excuse him losing to seven sages despite bing far more powerful than they were.
That's is a major stretch that's not even slightly indicated. "Used hate to regain his strength" somehow became "completely dependent on others" to you? He still has the Triforce of Power, which allowed him too revive after death and survive a disintegration in spirit form, then recovered his strength, so you're just grasping at straws here. The Sages did nt even fight Ganondorf, they just activate a massively powerful artifact to disintegrate him and send him away. In actual combat, the Sages were slaughtered.
Dorf can create portals in a room reappearing in that said room. Even if I were for the sake of argument going to say he can do so on his own it's only due to his familiarity between these two worlds and wouldn't 'apply to a foreign land like outworld or the nether realm.
He has crossed other dimensions, too, you know, not just the Twilight Realm. It's one of his most common powers, and how he escaped every sealing or banishment placed on him. One of the rather integral parts of his character is that it never works. And then, what's preventing, say, the Sages from BFRing Quan Chi or someone?
You don't need to kill Dorf to beat him as proven by the mirror of twilight. Also you just need to be more powerful than Dorf as well to kill him. Him resisting death once doesn't mean he can resist having his head ripped off and mounted on a spike.
That never works, as proven by every Zelda game ever. Also, yes it does, Ganondorf came back to life from both an impaling and having his entire body destroyed twice. He just makes a new one. Again, keeping him dead is the problem here.
Dorf came back a hundred years later or so. This wouldn't help him against the mkers and in the nether realm he'd be outmanned and overwhelmed by the residents of said realm. Him resisting a sword through his chest doesn't mean he can survive decapitation or his limbs hacked from his body.
Where is it stated that it was a hundred years? I recall seeing it nowhere in the game at any point. In any case, he did not just resist a sword through the chest, though he came back to life from that. He resisted a castle exploding on him and having his entire body destroyed twice, so a decapitation would be nothing to him.
The same can be said for Raiden then. If you want to play the plot device game Raiden can keep coming back himself, can teleport, unlike Dorf is an actual god, etc. Plus unlike Raiden they can bfr Dorf to a foreign dimension.
Ganondorf is proven to come back multiple times, and can teleport and cross dimensions as well. He just drops twilight all over Raiden and watches his helpless soul wander around. By the way, "god" means nothing, since it's just a title with no feats. Ganondorf actually survived a castle busting, and the same killed Raiden, so Ganondorf is clearly more powerful, too.
Dorf may have some power over the dead but so does Quan Chi as well. Dorf also unlike Quan Chi relies on the emotions of others to be at his best. Quan Chi has already made an unkillable spectre in Scorpion. He can't die either and anyone in mk who dies goes to the netherealm. For the sake of the argument I don't want to be unfair and make you have to kill them twice. I do have a heart.
There you go again with "relies on emotions" stuff. No. Ganondorf has been proven to have revived from impalement and bodily destruction through the Triforce of Power alone, he just used emotions to recover from one disintegration before he could fully use the Triforce of Power. Ganondorf can revive Zant an unlimited number of times and is unkillable himself as long as he has the Triforce of Power, so he'll keep coming back anyway. He can kill Quan Chi as many times as he likes.