Originally posted by quanchi112
His body wasn't destroyed it changed shape.1.Yes, revived here.
2.No, his molecules are bieng bfr'd. He isn't being destroyed.
3.Changed shapes is all.
1. Then we agree.
2. He appears without a body, and we see it separated into particles on screen.
3. Lying on the ground while his body disintegrates? Then appears in his bodiless spirit form. Yeah, that's a revival.
Quan Chi can bring every mk fighters back from the dead. So you have one guy who can bring Zant back while Quan Chi can revive Shao Kahn and anyone who falls in battle. That's a landslide victory over dorf and zant. The enemies you describe can't stand up to dragons, shokan warriors, tarkatans, etc.
Ganondorf has revived an extinct species, including several giant monsters. That's in addition to reviving Zant endlessly as well as Stallord and the undead armies. Ganondorfs armies include dragons, too, as well as flying Lizalfos and Darknuts. Plus the Shadow Beast apocalypse. What can Shokan and Tarkata even do?
Yes, they can force push you but not blow your arm up in combat. It's like a sith lord force pushing you back but not to the extent of blowing up your arm in combat which ermac has shown he has the power to. Show me Midna doing that. You're so keen on feats but can't really prove midna can do what an mker has done through the game.
I think it's more akin to Sith Lord doing this. They have more than enough power to do it, is the point. If Midna can lift a bridge with TK, ripping off arms would not even be a problem. She could just crush him or smash him into the ground with that much force, arm ripping is not necessary when hitting him with a bridge works. Zant has also, in fact demonstrated TK of the "smash into ground" and "hold at the arms" variety, and Ganondorf can throw Midna across a room.
Who cares if she goes intangible ? Mkers can turn invisible as well. Midna showed combat wise she can be hit and hit often. The only reason she becomes powerful is due to a plot device she takes in the game and even then was very unimpressive.
Invisible? No, what I'm mean is that Midna can render herself able to pass through objects. If you want invisible, Midna can do that and disguise herself, not to mention teleport others, in addition to herself. Midna is fully capable of BFRing. She's shown a lot more power than what I've seen of Mortal Kombat.
That's fine as the armies still dwarf these numbers with superior enemies such as dragons, etc. They conquer bigger worlds than hyrule as well and big lol at hyrule's army.
Hyrule's army sucks. This is fact. Zant's army, on the other hand? Pretty hard to take down when they transform their kills into Shadows Beasts and Zant is more than capable of doing the same to an entire population. That's in addition to the fact that Shadow Beasts can revive each other with a scream. Won't take long until Mortal Kombat's army is overrun by Shadow Beasts and starts turning against their leaders. Heck, Shadow Beasts aren't the only danger, since merely entering twilight can turn you into a harmless soul or yet another twilight monster. Not to mention the Self-reviving Stalfos, paralyzing Redeads, and soul stealing Poes on the loose. Oh, and don't forget the giants like Stallord, Armogohma, or dragons like Argorok.
Oh, and Gorons. Can't forget Gorons.
I will look for the board background somewhere. Raiden had his mk fighters in part 3 resist the soul stealing attacks so why can't they resist the twili attack ? These aren't featless humans like most in hyrule.
If they've resisted soul stealing, then sure, they can enter. Might get transformed, though. Plus, you shouldn't count on their armies getting through unscathed unless every soldier resists soul steals, and even then, they have to worry about being transformed into Shadow Beasts. As a note, animalistic or savage creatures tend to get turned into Shadow Beasts (Bulblins, giant birds, rats, etc.) as opposed to the soul thing with humans.
The enemies with the clubs outside hyrule's castle.
...Bokoblins? I dunno, the spin attack one shots them pretty well. Besides, you're talking game mechanic right now. Go back to an enemy from the beginning of the game and Link will one-shot all of them.
Superman can lift trillions of tons so of course he isn't a fair example. Mike Tyson is an example with someone of similar power being a fellow human being that shows the huge difference in punching power than from lifting power.
Link can lift several tons, so he's not a fair example, either. Mike Tyson and Ronnie Coleman are still limited to human levels, whereas Link and Superman are far beyond that. If Link is lifting 30 tons, you think he'll hit with less force than Mike Tyson?
Link does have both training but his combat attacks still haven't shown the strength needed to rip off a head based off of strength alone. He uses a sword and other weapons to show you his strength whereas mkers have the strength without the use of weapons in most if not all cases.
Based on strength alone he's lifted a multi ton rock monster. It does not take multiple tons of force to remove a human head from the body, much less. Pretty simple. The weapons simply amplify that strength.
It's a fatality so it's an ability it hasn't canonically happened. It's a possibility though but not an avenue I seriously want to entertain as a legit win for the mk side.
But it's not an actual ability since it didn't canonically happen.
Just one example ? Try playing an mk game. There are probably 30-40 examples easily of just fatalities showcasing their insane strength.
By "just the one" I was talking about your one example of Link displaying less than human strength. Namely, the Ball and Chain as compared to cutting armor, throwing Gorons, throwing Dangoro, lifting chandeliers, pushing metal blocks, smashing boulders, throwing Blizzeta, etc, etc. Link consistently has shown super strength more often than he has shown human strength.
That's all unproven as you don't know how much a Goron weighs, how much the rock pieces weigh that are apart of him, his height, or anything. Just you trying to guess without a clue.
It's called estimation and calculation. We compare Link to the size of, say, Dangoro, in order to get a figure for how large Dangoro is. Then we use the proven density of rock to calculate how much a rock of Dangoro's size would weigh. Then I just cut it in half or 2/5ths to account for how much rock is part of Dangoro. It's all estimated and as close as it is possibly to get. Multiple people have math'd it and gotten 30 tons or above for Dangoro, and simply looking at him you can tell he weighs multiple tons. It's not guessing, far from it, we're just getting a minimum value for Link's demonstrated strength. We have a great many clues, and they all contribute to these conclusions.
It puts numbers we can compare to figure out who's stronger. Maybe we don't need to for all comparisons; I mean, it's rather obvious who's stronger between a guy that ripped someone's arms of vs. a guy that threw a giant rock monsters five times his size. (Hint: it's the guy throwing giant rock monsters.)
I hardly see the point as both sides have superhuman strength and both can hurt/kill the others.
Depends on the feats. Link's taken an axe to the face that knocked out and tossed a boar, as well as getting fired out of a cannon. That's good durability, certainly far greater than a human. Might just resist some MK punches. While at the same time he's far stronger than his opponents and could cut right through them.
He's never been proven to be able to do so you just really want to convince me through guesses and observations. Sorry.
Observations, yes, guesses, no. Tell who's stronger: arm rip or toss giant rock monster?
Zant just ran at someone acting like an idiot. He wasn't too fast to be perceived by his foes either like the flash is. It's like saying look at carl lewis run the 100 yard dash and saying bruce lee can't even hit him. It's abysmal.
He got to the other side of the room before Link could raise his sword. That is faster than what MK fighters have shown. Unlike Carl Lewis, however, Zant also knows how to fight. Bad example. Try Bruce Lee vs. a sped up Jackie Chan.