Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Regenerate his body
Vader did that back in SotE. 😉 However, it is impressive.
overcome death,
He never died. Just went into a trance and healed himself.
call to all the sith in the galaxy,
An inexpirenced Luke Skywalker did this as well, however, he never even met half of the people he was calling. Furthermore, it's not useful in a fight at all.
put visions in Cade's mind?
Plenty of Sith can preform similar things... Such as illusions.
he was a quasi force god..
Nah. Not even close.
Originally posted by ares834
Vader did that back in SotE. 😉 However, it is impressive.He never died. Just went into a trance and healed himself.
An inexpirenced Luke Skywalker did this as well, however, he never even met half of the people he was calling. Furthermore, it's not useful in a fight at all.
Plenty of Sith can preform similar things... Such as illusions.
Nah. Not even close. [/B]He is compared to Dooku.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
While learning Dark Transfer and Transfer Essence in the process.
Nah, he learned that shit from Karness Murr's "healing".
It's an example of his power. Calling thousands of sith. I'm fairly sure there weren't thousands of Jedi, nor hundreds, when Luke did it.
There were that many sith? But yes, I will admit it's impressive. Just not very practical or useful.
Showing someone a vision of their future during a fight is pretty impressive.
Obviosuly, it wasn't a vision of Cade's future...
He is compared to Dooku.
Dooku has held his own against Yoda. Krayt has no feats applicable in combat that compare.
Originally posted by ares834
Nah, he learned that shit from Karness Murr's "healing".
Obviosuly, it wasn't a vision of Cade's future...
One possible future.
Dooku has held his own against Yoda. Krayt has no feats applicable in combat that compare. [/B]
That alone isn't good enough. Yoda held back against Dooku repeatedly, whereas Krayt has 100+ years of experience with a saber and sith techniques, including esoteric ones. Dooku just doesn't compare on any level.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
All of his "learning" was done during his time in stasis.
Recheck the issue where Wyyrolk "kills" him. He mentions that he now knows how to heal himself and that Murr showed him.
That alone isn't good enough. Yoda held back against Dooku repeatedly, whereas Krayt has 100+ years of experience with a saber and sith techniques, including esoteric ones. Dooku just doesn't compare on any level.
Saying he has tons of knowledge and expirence is nice, but what actually matters is what they do can do not what they know. And Krayt has done very little. Dooku is cited as a master swordsman. One who can hold his own against Yoda (any proof that Yoda was actually holding back?) and one who can defeat other legendary swordmasters such as Obi-Wan Kenobi. Krayt has yet to do anything that compares.
Dooku was unable to best Yoda on Vjun, despite the fact that the environment enhanced his powers substantially and dark side nexuses tend to diminish the power of lightsiders (Fate of the Jedi: Ascension). This indicates that the gap between their powers is considerable.
As far as Yoda actually holding back, Dark Rendezvous indicates that his paternal feelings for the Count still run strong. His conduct in the battle also demonstrates restraint: When the Count attacks him through the Force, Yoda mostly deflects the assaults before finally attacking the Count with his own lightning.
Originally posted by ares834Again, I believe he mentioned that he figured out how while he was in stasis, sort of like an epiphany. I could be wrong. Either way, he was vastly more powerful when reborn.
Recheck the issue where Wyyrolk "kills" him. He mentions that he now knows how to heal himself and that Murr showed him.
Saying he has tons of knowledge and expirence is nice, but what actually matters is what they do can do not what they know. And Krayt has done very little. Dooku is cited as a master swordsman. One who can hold his own against Yoda (any proof that Yoda was actually holding back?) and one who can defeat other legendary swordmasters such as Obi-Wan Kenobi. Krayt has yet to do anything that compares. [/B][/quote]
Please quantify "master swordsman", because apparently so was Krayt. As a Jedi, he was one of the best in the order. Add another century of experience (give or take a few years or decades in stasis), and the finding of various sith holocrons and tombs, and Krayt just blows Dooku out of the water in terms of knowledge, relevant or not.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
[B]Again, I believe he mentioned that he figured out how while he was
Please quantify "master swordsman", because apparently so was Krayt.
I have yet to see Krayt actually being called something similar by a source.
As a Jedi, he was one of the best in the order.
Sure. But he was unable to match Kenobi. Dooku decimates Kenobi.
Add another century of experience (give or take a few years or decades in stasis),
And how much of this time was Krayt actually refining his saber skills? Look at Kenobi he had twenty additional years of "experience" and was worse because of it. Addmitedly, Krayt is likely a better dueler than before. But by how much?
and the finding of various sith holocrons and tombs,
Yeah, these holocorns really gave Krayt a lot of information...
and Krayt just blows Dooku out of the water in terms of knowledge, relevant or not.
I've never said otherwise.
Originally posted by ares834The fact that he was one of the best in the order as a Jedi, and the fact that he took down 4-5 Imperial Knights by himself should give you a hint. Meanwhile, being called a master swordsman means nothing if it's not quantifiable.
I have yet to see Krayt actually being called something similar by a source.
Sure. But he was unable to match Kenobi. Dooku decimates Kenobi.
And how much of this time was Krayt actually refining his saber skills? Look at Kenobi he had twenty additional years of "experience" and was worse because of it. Addmitedly, Krayt is likely a better dueler than before. But by how much?
Yeah, these holocorns really gave Krayt a lot of information...
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
The fact that he was one of the best in the order as a Jedi, and the fact that he took down 4-5 Imperial Knights by himself should give you a hint.
How skilled were these Imperial Knights? Answer: We don't know.
Meanwhile, being called a master swordsman means nothing if it's not quantifiable.
Luckily for Dooku he has feats (and quotes) showing he is one of the best. Krayt... Eh, not so much.
Sure, if this was A'sharad Hett and not 100+ years more experienced Darth Krayt, you'd have an argument.
Good thing I was arging againt him ebing one fo the greatest of the PT Jedi... But I see no actual evidence that his skill with the lightsaber grew immensily in this time period.
Kenobi didn't touch a saber for 20 years while Krayt created a new sith order with thousands of sith. Unless you're suggesting they all learned light saber combat from a holocron, it's pretty obvious Krayt trained many of them, including his most powerful minions.
Proof? I don't see him training Talon who was one of his "most powerful minions". Sure, Krayt likely did train some of them but I'll reiterate my point how much more powerful were his dueling skills as Krayt?
He claimed to have learned the transfer essence skill from darth andeddu so apparently they did.
Where does he state this?
Just because we didn't see it happen in the comic book doesn't mean it didn't happen, if evidence points to it especially.
True. But to my knowledge none does.
It's an example of his power. Calling thousands of sith. I'm fairly sure there weren't thousands of Jedi, nor hundreds, when Luke did it.
Sidious blunted the force sensitivity of ten thousand jedi and yet Yoda fought him to a standstill.
Yes, calling out to thousands of sith does prove that Krayt has a very strong connection to the force, but it does not mean he can overcome someone whose combat feats beat his own.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Sidious blunted the force sensitivity of ten thousand jedi and yet Yoda fought him to a standstill.Yes, calling out to thousands of sith does prove that Krayt has a very strong connection to the force, but it does not mean he can overcome someone whose combat feats beat his own.
What combat feats are those exactly? There is no evidence whatsoever that Dooku is on any level of Krayt. Krayt has had more experience with a saber as well as vastly more experience with the force.
How skilled were these Imperial Knights? Answer: We don't know.
Luckily for Dooku he has feats (and quotes) showing he is one of the best. Krayt... Eh, not so much.
Proof? I don't see him training Talon who was one of his "most powerful minions". Sure, Krayt likely did train some of them but I'll reiterate my point how much more powerful were his dueling skills as Krayt?
Where does he state this?Last edition of Legacy.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
What combat feats are those exactly?
This:
Originally posted by Eminence
?Count Dooku makes muppets out of the animate with hilarious and incomparable frequency, tiger. Tholme and Sora Bulq (the legendary lightsaber instructor, Vaapad practitioner, and master of every classical and experimental lightsaber form known to the archives) attack: the former has his eye gouged out and a ceiling dropped on his head, the latter is knocked senseless with a casual one-handed burst of lightning.
Spoiler:😐
And then converted.Ventress, Naa'leth, Karis: despite shooting him in his sleep with a dart that stole his eyesight, these three were repeatedly tossed around and their assaults largely evaded until the man struck all three of them with a single barrage of lightning, pulled them into the air, and threw them out his goddamn window.
Ventress, Opress: your apparent inability to grasp what's going on here notwithstanding, Dooku was manhandling the duo before Opress lost his shit and tried [unsuccessfully] to murder everyone. Opress spent the majority of that fight on his knees leaking smoke and Ventress - as was demonstrated immediately afterward - would have been eviscerated on her own. Even together they only once put him in a position of urgent disadvantage, and then he just took them both on without a lightsaber.
Obi-Wan, Anakin: [apparently on the verge of exhaustion] he starts strangling Obi-Wan with his mind while sending Anakin sailing through the air with his foot* - without looking at him, mind you - then chucks Obi-Wan across the room before ripping a chunk of steel out of the wall and dropping it on him.
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Spoiler:😐
Look ma, no hands!
And that's just some of his feats. And that's not mentioning his accolades and quotes.
Now let's see what Krayt's got, so we can at least compare them.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
What combat feats are those exactly? There is no evidence whatsoever that Dooku is on any level of Krayt. Krayt has had more experience with a saber as well as vastly more experience with the force.
What is up with your obsession with experience? Feats are far more applicable for a fight. I mean Qui-Gon had more expierence than Maul yet he was outdueled. Dooku had far more expirence than Anakin and lost. etc...
However, beating five knights seems more impressive than fighting Yoda to a standstill on a planet steeped in the dark side while Yoda is holding back.
No it's not... Hell, Jango Fett killed several unnamed jedi with his bare hands in his comics. But no way in hell is he a better fighter than Dooku. Killing fodder Jedi in comcis is never the most impressive thing in the world.
Such as? Krayt has decades on Dooku in lightsaber combat and force knowledge. It's not looking particularly good for the count.
facepalm How about Dooku tooling Kenobi? How about him tooling Sora Bulq? How about being said to have sword prowess that is roughly equal to Windu's? Yeah, that's actual evidence rather than speculation. So in truth, it's not looking to good for the Tusken.
Nihl was pretty damn powerful as was Wyyrlock. All evidence points to Krayt increasing his lightsaber skills over a century, as opposed to not.
And I agree. However, I again ask how much?
Last edition of Legacy.
It's heavily implied by Luke's ghost that Krayt is just a voice in Cade's head. And if Krayt really knew essence trasfer what would destroying his body actually do? It would do nothing.