Darth Malgus vs Sith

Originally posted by ares834
What is up with your obsession with experience? Feats are far more applicable for a fight. I mean Qui-Gon had more expierence than Maul yet he was outdueled. Dooku had far more expirence than Anakin and lost. etc...

No it's not... Hell, Jango Fett killed several unnamed jedi with his bare hands in his comics. But no way in hell is he a better fighter than Dooku. Killing fodder Jedi in comcis is never the most impressive thing in the world.

facepalm How about Dooku tooling Kenobi? How about him tooling Sora Bulq? How about being said to have sword prowess that is roughly equal to Windu's? Yeah, that's actual evidence rather than speculation. So in truth, it's not looking to good for the Tusken.

It's heavily implied by Luke's ghost that Krayt is just a voice in Cade's head. And if Krayt really knew essence trasfer what would destroying his body actually do? It would do nothing. [/B]

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Not when you play a game of feat wars with incomparable feats.

Oh we can compare them. After all, we comapre Sidiosu's to Bane's all the time. The problem is Krayt just doesn't have any that stack up to Dooku's.

Experience with a saber goes a long way when that experience is reinforced with force knowledge.

Both my example I provided have the more experinced warrior also have more force knowledge than their opponent.

Neither are Dooku's feats when you compare them to Krayt. Unless of course you'll go so far as to claim Dooku would have been the most powerful force user in the galaxy had be been around during Krayt's One Sith, since that title belonged to Krayt.

Yes, I would state that. Also I would state that Murr is more powerful than Krayt.

Sure, he was the 3rd best duelist in his time while Krayt is most likely the best of his. Your feat wars don't paint a valid portrayal of how their hypothetical fight would go.

So we resort to pure speculation and circumstantial evidence? I think not.

You're right, Krayt totally lied about knowing it just to scare Cade. Because lying about force powers is totally consistent with Krayt's character

Did you even read what I wrote? Luke's force ghost impies that the voice Cade hears isn't even real...

Dooku kills Krayt QED.

Originally posted by ares834
Oh we can compare them. After all, we comapre Sidiosu's to Bane's all the time. The problem is Krayt just doesn't have any that stack up to Dooku's.

Both my example I provided have the more experinced warrior also have more force knowledge than their opponent.

Yes, I would state that. Also I would state that Murr is more powerful than Krayt.

So we resort to pure speculation and circumstantial evidence? I think not.

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Did you even read what I wrote? Luke's force ghost impies that the voice Cade hears isn't even real...

Dooku kills Krayt QED. [/B]

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
The problem is more=better and just doesn't work, which is why Dooku isn't in the same league as Krayt.

Strawman. I never once said more=better.

Unfortunately for Dooku, Krayt has another 100 years tacked on to his fighting abilities.

Jesus... Once again expirence isn't all that ****in matters! And Krayt was in stasis for god knows how long.

The first part of this statement would be too retarded to rebut. Muur, most likely.

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As opposed to irrelevant feat wars? I think not.

I thought we used logic on this forum and information that was presented in canon. I guess not.

There's no proof of that though. Just an implication.

Duh... But this only leads to circles as there is no proof that it actually wa shis voice... My point was we don't know.

Originally posted by ares834
Strawman. I never once said more=better.

Jesus... Once again expirence isn't all that ****in matters! And Krayt was in stasis for god knows how long.

I thought we used logic on this forum and information that was presented in canon. I guess not.

Duh... But this only leads to circles as there is no proof that it actually wa shis voice... My point was we don't know. [/B]

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
By continuously screaming "feats" and "Dooku has more to his name, you are. No strawman.

Kindly point me to where I said Dooku win as he has more feats.

And neither do irrelevant feats.

"Irrelevant"! 😂 Without feats and statements (neither of which you have presented) we are just taking random shots in the dark and might as well say our favorite character will win.

Not in your arguments.

At least my arguments have actual evidence. I can't say the same about yours,

Spoiler:
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If Krayt knew the transfer essence then it was most certainly his voice.

Key word, "if".

ares834
and might as well say our favorite character will win.

As long as you don't suggest Krayt was a pawn of Vergere or anything, I think you might just be able to avoid this with him.

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
As long as you don't suggest Krayt was a pawn of Vergere or anything, I think you might just be able to avoid this with him.

At least my arguments have actual evidence. I can't say the same about yours,

No, you have feat wars and an unsubstantiated quote. Nothing more.

"Irrelevant"! laughing out loud Without feats and statements (neither of which you have presented) we are just taking random shots in the dark and might as well say our favorite character will win.

The feats have to be relevant. We know Dooku was a good swordsman, we also know Krayt was the best of his time. You've basically pointed out Dooku is better because he has more feats to his name. We can play this game all day. 😂

Originally posted by Nephthys
Really? Dooku was matching Yoda at some points. Krayt must be pretty uber then.

Though from what people say I probably underestimate him. He sounds like he's up there (though still a Sith knock-off).

He was a pretty strong Jedi master and swordsman, near Kenobi, before he trained in the Sith ways and gained decades and decades more experience.

One of his cooler feats is he escaped from and soloed a Vong warship he was captured by, without weapons.

In that incident he got vong grafts which made him physically stronger but he also had to spend power resisting, meaning he had to go into stasis occasionally and holding back his strength in the force a bit. So for quite awhile, he was fairly physically oriented though even with that had a lot of power and strength in the force.

Post-resurrection, he lost his growths and his force powers were unleashed at full, and grew in his brush with death even. He could bring himself back from fatal wounds, kill and resurrect others with the same method (it should be noted, in the last issue he literally killed and resurrected Cade Skywalker by grabbing him and using the power), and had shatterpoints.

Would you say he'd beat Yoda?

It'd be an epic fight.

ares834
It's heavily implied by Luke's ghost that Krayt is just a voice in Cade's head.

The ghost gave knowledge to Cade on several occasions that Luke'd know but Cade wouldn't.

And if Krayt really knew essence trasfer what would destroying his body actually do? It would do nothing.

He'd still need something to move into. You can't essence transfer to nothing. Cade was the only one in range and Cade was fighting to keep him out (possibly with Luke's help).

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
As long as you don't suggest Krayt was a pawn of Vergere or anything, I think you might just be able to avoid this with him.

TBH, everyone is a pawn of Veregre, because Veregre is the most chronologically advanced confirmed incarnation of the godhead entity Bane of Many faces. A conglomeration of innumerable Force users across strange aeons, Veregre was the direct descendant via Essence Transfer of Bane by way of Zannah by way of Muur by way of Koon by way of Plo by way of Force's Heart (the full line of descent may only by recited in a room lit by three candles and perfumed by the smoldering remains of a fetus aborted at the stroke of midnight on the third new moon of the third month of the planet Messaline).

Though it is evident that the trait known as "Force Sensitivity" is merely the remnant of Revan (may he live forever) through myriad essence transfer, what makes Veregre unique is that she shared the full consciousness of the godhead Bane of Many Faces, something that had not happened since Jenna Zan Abor accidentally invoked a manifestation through the breaking of Qui Gon Jinn.

Originally posted by Q99
The ghost gave knowledge to Cade on several occasions that Luke'd know but Cade wouldn't.

I was talking about Krayt not Luke.

He'd still need something to move into. You can't essence transfer to nothing. Cade was the only one in range and Cade was fighting to keep him out (possibly with Luke's help).

Sure. But destroying his body would still do nothing.

No, you have feat wars and an unsubstantiated quote. Nothing more.

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The feats have to be relevant. We know Dooku was a good swordsman, we also know Krayt was the best of his time. You've basically pointed out Dooku is better because he has more feats to his name. We can play this game all day. 😂

Eh, no. If Krayt had even one feat that compared or even a single statment about being awesomly powerful I'd say Krayt could win. The problem is he has done that has apporached Dooku's level.

DS
If we use the standard definition of pawn as lightly as you want to suggest, then every sith master is a pawn of his apprentice and vice versa.

I don't disagree.

It'd be an epic fight.

He'd likely give Yoda a challenge no doubt, perhaps even moreso before his resurrection, due to his armor giving him the advantage of protection. Other than that, Yoda is his superior in lightsaber combat, and is considerably more powerful in the force than Darth Krayt.

We need evidence why he should be placed at Yoda or even Dooku's level. Simply saying "he had 100+ more experience since the clone wars" is not proof at all. It proves he became more powerful in the force because the dark side advances a force users potential, but it does not mean his skills with a lightsaber greatly improved. Training others in lightsaber combat is not the same as constantly fighting in the front lines of a war. That's like saying Floyd Mayweather will become more skilled when he retires from boxing and becomes a trainer.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
He'd likely give Yoda a challenge no doubt, perhaps even moreso before his resurrection, due to his armor giving him the advantage of protection. Other than that, Yoda is his superior in lightsaber combat, and is considerably more powerful in the force than Darth Krayt.

We need evidence why he should be placed at Yoda or even Dooku's level. Simply saying "he had 100+ more experience since the clone wars" is not proof at all. It proves he became more powerful in the force because the dark side advances a force users potential, but it does not mean his skills with a lightsaber greatly improved. Training others in lightsaber combat is not the same as constantly fighting in the front lines of a war. That's like saying Floyd Mayweather will become more skilled when he retires from boxing and becomes a trainer. [/B]

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
This is based on what exactly?

Because Yoda has 800+ experience and is therefor more skilled.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Krayt seems to be a force beast according to the comics and that's before his resurrection.

And Dooku seems to be a force beast as a jedi and that's before he became a sith lord.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Dooku doesn't come close and it would be a better fight with Yoda.

No, because Dooku is a force beast, and Yoda is an even bigger little beast with 800+ years of experience.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
We need evidence why Dooku would even be in the same league as Krayt. Again, Yoda is debatable but Dooku being called a "master swordsman" or stalemating Windu early on in his career simply doesn't mean much.

We don't need evidence, remember? Feats and quotes don't matter. What was Aries and I thinking? All that matters is that I say they are force gods and can destroy Krayt.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Because Yoda has 800+ experience and is therefor more skilled.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
And Dooku seems to be a force beast as a jedi and that's before he became a sith lord.

Malgus killed a highly skilled Jedi Master in his early days as a Sith when he was just an apprentice.

Watch this video:

YouTube video

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
No, because Dooku is a force beast, and Yoda is an even bigger little beast with 800+ years of experience.

Malgus killed two Jedi even when he was badly injured. Read about it here.

Here is another footage of Malgus dominating another Jedi Master during brief occupation of the Jedi Temple:

YouTube video

It is apparent that Malgus is a beast in combat. To me, he appears to be above Vader. He might be as talented as Darth Bane as a member has already pointed out.

I wouldn't go that far. Malgus seems beastly to be sure, but he hasn't demonstrated the extreme Force powers of Vader and Bane to my knowledge. Beefington mentioned that Malgus had a lot of impressive feats inside the recent novels however, so if theres anything in there that elevates him to that level I'll amend my judgement, but he's no match for them right now imo.

Whoopsie.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I wouldn't go that far. Malgus seems beastly to be sure, but he hasn't demonstrated the extreme Force powers of Vader and Bane to my knowledge. Beefington mentioned that Malgus had a lot of impressive feats inside the recent novels however, so if theres anything in there that elevates him to that level I'll amend my judgement, but he's no match for them right now imo.

This Jedi Master was no joke. He demonstrated impressive skills with the Lightsaber and also the Force.

This Jedi Master could perform impressive acrobatics while dueling his opponents, withstood the lightsaber barrage from two powerful Sith Lords simultaneously and knocked one out in the process while fending off the other. In addition, he could force push opponents around like ragdolls, and also could hurl large and heavy objects at his opponents like missiles with the Force comfortably.

And yet these abilities were not enough to stop Darth Malgus.

On the basis of what I have seen from Vader, he is within reach of Malgus.

However, if you can list some of the most impressive feats of Vader here, we can work out with them. I will try to do the same with Malgus by checking his novels.

I'm pretty sure Malgus would wipe the floor with Vader. Hes a beast in every sense of the word and possibly comparable to Bane although that could be a stretch considering Bane's superiority in dark side knowledge..