ROTS Obi-Wan runs a gauntlet

Wondering what you guys think about him, he gets to heal minor wounds and some of his foce usage between each fight, no more than that.

The duellists are on their prime unless stated, it takes place is the room where Dooku fought Yoda on AotC.

1) TPM Obi-Wan & TPM Qui-Gon
2) Kit Fisto
3) AotC Obi-Wan & AotC Anakin
4) ROTS Anakin (Light Side)
5) Darth Maul & Asajj Ventress

No rest then I think he's going down at Fisto. His younger self and Qui-Gon can put up a good enough fight for Kit to finish him off. If not, then 3 he stops.

Yeah, this is pretty vicious. While he could very likely destroy his younger self, Obi and Qui-Gon are a fairly solid team. Then comes Kit Fisto who was near to Obi-Wan's level in any case and perhaps more aggressive, and then AotC crew who would be difficult if not improbable to beat.

I see. What if he had full rests between each fight, any opinions on how far he would go?

Originally posted by MindTricker
I see. What if he had full rests between each fight, any opinions on how far he would go?

Then RotS Anakin ends Kenobi.

Originally posted by MindTricker
I see. What if he had full rests between each fight, any opinions on how far he would go?

Originally posted by MindTricker
I see. What if he had full rests between each fight, any opinions on how far he would go?

Since Kenobi's style is defensive and opportunistic in nature, he excels at one versus one when he can make use of the backdrop or superb defense. Against two it becomes more difficult. He can only hope to use their own incongruent styles against them, and with the first two groups, that's difficult because they already mesh. Maul and Ventress, while not exactly tag team buddies, are each a handful in and of themselves. Obi can only hope to keep their dual blades clashing too close for comfort between them to come out ahead.

I think he could in a prolonged duel oust Kit, but if this is ROTS Anakin in that one glorified moment where he rolled a natural twenty and pwned Dooku, how can we argue that as a basis for an entire duel?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
No rest then I think he's going down at Fisto. His younger self and Qui-Gon can put up a good enough fight for Kit to finish him off. If not, then 3 he stops.

Agreed.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Maul and Ventress, while not exactly tag team buddies, are each a handful in and of themselves. Obi can only hope to keep their dual blades clashing too close for comfort between them to come out ahead.

^ Yep stated in TFU novel. That a Juyo practitoner would eventually get past the defences of a Soresu practioner.

Also seeing the number of times Ventress has disarmed Obi-Wan in Clone Wars, Im beginning to wonder if Soresu having an impenetrable defence is a tag bit over rating it.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
^ Yep stated in TFU novel. That a Juyo practitoner would eventually get past the defences of a Soresu practioner.

Do you (or anyone else for that matter) have the quote on hand?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Also seeing the number of times Ventress has disarmed Obi-Wan in Clone Wars, Im beginning to wonder if Soresu having an impenetrable defence is a tag bit over rating it.

Same here.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Do you (or anyone else for that matter) have the quote on hand?

Will find it when I get home. But if your wondering if it was 3rd person narrative, then yes it may have been Starkillers thoughts.

TFU Chapter 21 pg.178:

"Blue blocked red in a spray of energy. The apprentice struck again, higher this time, a deceptively loose blow that hid deadly subtleties beneath its wide swing. The Jedi blocked it, too; just. Soresu was a defensive fighting style well suited to the close confines of the hut, but it wouldn't last forever against the malignant grace of Juyo."

Actually doesn't sound like 3rd person narrative to me.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
TFU Chapter 21 pg.178:

"Blue blocked red in a spray of energy. The apprentice struck again, higher this time, a deceptively loose blow that hid deadly subtleties beneath its wide swing. The Jedi blocked it, too; just. Soresu was a defensive fighting style well suited to the close confines of the hut, but it wouldn't last forever against the malignant grace of Juyo."

Actually doesn't sound like 3rd person narrative to me.

Not sure if it is or not. Thanks for the quote though.

"[Juyo's] attacks can eviscerate defenses -- even the blocks of a Form III master":
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-A Manual For Students of the Force

While turtling is unhealthy against almost any opponent (keep in mind that Obi-Wan, the highest Soresu practitioner in the movies, is routinely put on his toes by masters of differing forms) it doesn't flat out say Juyo is going to win against Soresu every time.

Case in point - Grievous was programmed to know Juyo, yet he did not implement it in a way which would immediately destroy Obi-Wan. Additionally, Anakin's Djem So was offensive based, employing vicious overhead and side to side swings, but this was not enough to destroy Kenobi, meaning that the major strengths of Juyo don't necessarily translate into a win. If anything, the only true strength Juyo possesses is its requirements to train (Juyo practitioners know most of the other forms very well) and its inherent unpredictability. It is this latter element which could possibly make a case for Juyo > Soresu as opposed to other traits which are shared with other forms.

To defend Obi, Soresu's true strength appears to lie in a combination of blurring defensive swordplay and movement, along with opportunistic counters when appropriate, not outright turtling a more aggressive opponent. Tiring out the foe before they box you in and murder you is the preferred method.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
While turtling is unhealthy against almost any opponent (keep in mind that Obi-Wan, the highest Soresu practitioner in the movies, is routinely put on his toes by masters of differing forms) it doesn't flat out say Juyo is going to win against Soresu every time.

Case in point - Grievous was programmed to know Juyo, yet he did not implement it in a way which would immediately destroy Obi-Wan.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Anakin's Djem So was offensive based, employing vicious overhead and side to side swings, but this was not enough to destroy Kenobi, meaning that the major strengths of Juyo don't necessarily translate into a win.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
If anything, the only true strength Juyo possesses is its requirements to train (Juyo practitioners know most of the other forms very well) and its inherent unpredictability. It is this latter element which could possibly make a case for Juyo > Soresu as opposed to other traits which are shared with other forms.

This conversation is retarded and I am suppressing it now before it spreads like a fire.

The style is irrelevant, only the user's skill matters in a fight.

I guess the conversations really center on whether or not Kenobi's saber defenses are impregnable, as is the general consensus, or so it seems. DP makes a valid observation though; Kenobi has been disarmed several times on the Clone Wars show, AND had his defenses breached numerous times. This kind of throws one big assed wrench into the 'Kenobi has impenetrable defenses' machine.