Originally posted by Wodenson
Gladiator also had a utility belt filled with Shi'ar technology, which included expandable containment devices to secure prisoners.
Forgot about that. I think I'll pick up the comic and read it again tomorrow. Chances are I'll come across something to disprove the scene.
Originally posted by leonidas
and rage--i don't see those blasts as being>solar system destroying power....but don't let me interrupt. 😄
At the time, Celestials were incredibly powerful, superior to the Cosmic Entities and Deities of the time. It was stated that the Destroyer Armor could shrug off a "Super Nova" yet similar blasts where damaging the armor. A single Celestial blast also destroyed the Uni-Mind, which was the culmination of the might of all the Eternals, including Zuras and Ikaris.
Thor withstanding even one blast from those Celestials, much less three, and not going down is a far more impressive feat than anything Gladiator has done.
Originally posted by carver9
I don't care about the durability of the scan. Did you not read my post or the scan. Gladiator CONTAINED the blast and he CONTAINED it to the point that it created another star. Thor has no physical strength feats to match that.
Originally posted by carver9
Just like I thought...
So I take it you concede then? Or are you going to hide behind hyperbole then? If so, I can easily argue that the scene you posted was full of hyperbole. How do you know the blast was above planetary level? Because the comic said so? Well, I choose not to believe that. If you take anything said on panel, even very specific statements, as hyperbole, then do it across the board.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
At the time, Celestials were incredibly powerful, superior to the Cosmic Entities and Deities of the time. It was stated that the Destroyer Armor could shrug off a "Super Nova" yet similar blasts where damaging the armor. A single Celestial blast also destroyed the Uni-Mind, which was the culmination of the might of all the Eternals, including Zuras and Ikaris.
get all that. just no way to gauge the power they were putting into them. to say they were the same level as the detroyed blasts doesn't make much sense. too ambiguous trying to compare blasts is all's i'm saying. besides, i think thor has better, and clearer durability feats.
Originally posted by leonidas
get all that. just no way to gauge the power they were putting into them. to say they were the same level as the detroyed blasts doesn't make much sense. too ambiguous trying to compare blasts is all's i'm saying. besides, i think thor has better, and clearer durability feats.
Fair enough but it was stated that the Celestials reacted "mercilessly and swift" when Thor attacked them. And for whatever it's worth, there was no indication they were putting less power into them against Thor. Not evidence in of itself, but something worth mentioning.
It's easily among Thor's best -and other Top Tiers- durability feats. It's not supposed to make much sense, lol.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusOdin is old. The odin force perhaps kept him alive since he was never a true immortal. You are right in a sense, so I'll agree here with you. It's just that part of the Odin force is the original him. Remember the three of them merged to make the Odin force (himself included). So if you leave him with about only 1/3 of the Odin force then he should be his normal self before acquiring the Odin force. This may or may not be enough to keep him living forever (or being Immortal) be it should allow him to live as he once did but only much older and weaker.
Okay, if you want to be dense about it, then I’ll simply point out that Odin was noticeably weakened when he empowered Heimdall.The Odin Power is Odin, his life essence:
It empowers him and is the life blood of all of Asgard. As it is now, without the Odin Power, Odin is no more:
And as long as it exists, Odin cannot truly perish:
There’s a reason why he absorbed power from the land to combat Seth after transferring his reserves into Thor. Do you think I'm making this shit up or something?
Simonson’s retcon doesn’t fit perfectly with continuity but I don’t think it was ever supposed to. Whatever force sustained them before the Odin Power was either folded into it or replaced by it if you want it to mesh with continuity as a whole.
Because he fights like an idiot, just like many characters sometimes do (especially villains). He let's up and allows Thor to come back. He also doesn't use his full ability all the time, like speed. I envision how the fight would go if the two existed in reality. I'm more of a realist than anything. I'm only into comics because I desperately want super powers and use them to fantasize on having them. So that is why my arguments are the way they are. So sue me if I use a little more real logic instead of comic logic than everyone else.
If you agree, then why do you think Gladiator is magically underperforming in his battles with Thor? The Gladiator that battled Masterson and what not was Gladiator at his best. He only goes downhill from there when his confidence becomes an issue.
I understand. That is why I take planet destroying Glads as high confidence Glads and anything much lower as not.
facepalmYes, but it is not an ever increasing level of strength like the Hulk’s. His levels only go downward.
Could you please point me to an appearances of this supposed “full confident” Gladiator and we can compare him to Odin.
I’m not using Odin’s best, not by any stretch of imagination.
It is however ironic that you whine about using Odin’s best after reading your post.
Now here is me making something up. That invalidates the feat on a magnitude of third order. So we are forced to accept it being hyperbole. Now if something contradicts a feat on a magnitude less than first order then the feat is still valid.Fine then, point me to this apparently quantifiable feat.
😐 You’re arguing against the feat because the ground didn’t cave in? That’s not a defense.
I don’t give a shit what logic you have to accept to justify feats in your head. That particular planet was superhumanly durablese. Shut up now.
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