I still think the record would be in play, but that's just my opinion. It still shed a lot of money, but TDKR wasn't the only movie that took a blow, the WHOLE box office in general, every movie that came out was effected by it. TASM for instance dropped around 70%, I think. That's huge.
TDKR is at #9 now. 😎
Originally posted by Golgo13
I still think the record would be in play, but that's just my opinion. It still shed a lot of money, but TDKR wasn't the only movie that took a blow, the WHOLE box office in general, every movie that came out was effected by it. TASM for instance dropped around 70%, I think. That's huge.TDKR is at #9 now. 😎
That's nothing out of the ordinary. A 50% box office drop week to week is par for the course in normal circumstances in top weighted block buster movies like this. In this particular instance TDKR rises opened and cannibalized an extra 20% of TASM's box office because their happened to be large cross over in the intended audience.
TKDR was never going to be with in spitting distance of the record, and the shooting only had a marginal effect on the box office numbers.... if any.
The walk ups and family business is where it hurt. Some places that are notorious for getting box office predictions right at least half the time were predicting around 210M or 214M. The Avengers for instance didn't have insane pre sales or Midnights, but the walkups was where it was at and they didn't sell out every showtime either.
I honestly don't think the shooting had much of an impact on people wanting to go see the movie. It's a horrific event, yes, but people nowadays generally don't let fear dictate their life, especially if it's an isolated incident, which this was thankfully. I think some people didn't go see the movie due to the tragedy, true, but people who planned on seeing the movie will and are still seeing it.
A more likely explanation is that while TDKR is a good movie and concludes the critically acclaimed Batman saga, the Avengers was something that had never been seen or attempted before in terms of scope and ambition. Imho, anyway.
Well of course. The vast majority of people who had preordered tickets went anyway. However, people who were "on the fence" so to speak are less likely to go see the movie. With that said I can see it causing TDKR to lose somewhere between 5-30 million certainly not 40+ which would be required to hit Avenger's numbers.
Originally posted by Golgo13
Except boxoffice info is reporting that it did have an impact. Some of the movies drops were too much and most were reporting at least a 185-190M OW.
The shooting is an easy out for people making the absurd prediction that the movie had a shot at Avengers numbers. Spider-man dropped as much as it did because TDKR cannibalized it's target audience (duh), Ted for example only dropped 30%. Anyone who legitimately thought that TDKR was going to be near 200 mil. was on huff.
I expected TKDR to do more than it actually pulled it. I was expect 170m, but I over estimated the I-MAX mark up. I see all my movies in UltraAVX... and I forget that the vast majority of people just see it in the standard theater. Only 300 theaters were showing the TDKR in I-MAX. Outside of the actually theater that the shooting took place in, I doubt it had much of a factor.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The shooting is an easy out for people making the absurd prediction that the movie had a shot at Avengers numbers. Spider-man dropped as much as it did because TDKR cannibalized it's target audience (duh), Ted for example only dropped 30%. Anyone who legitimately thought that TDKR was going to be near 200 mil. was on huff.I expected TKDR to do more than it actually pulled it. I was expect 170m, but I over estimated the I-MAX mark up. I see all my movies in UltraAVX... and I forget that the vast majority of people just see it in the standard theater. Only 300 theaters were showing the TDKR in I-MAX. Outside of the actually theater that the shooting took place in, I doubt it had much of a factor.
Agree to disagree, I don't think we will ever know how much of an impact it had.
I saw the midnight premiere on Thurs, and had pre ordered tickets for the Friday night as well, which I had no desire to see after the initial viewing. I had no trouble selling my Friday night ticket at a 20 dollar markup. Took me 15 minute to get rid of the thing.
The shooting is largely irrelevant... shit you could make the case that helped spread awareness and word of mouth. All we know is that the movie "underperformed"... but it is still the highest none 3D movie opening ever, which should shine light on how absurd the initial predictions were in the first place.
I think the shootings may have hurt ticket sales but honestly without a lot of previous data concerning this type of stuff it's hard to know for sure what kind impact it had.
It could have also sparked more interest in the movie by making people want to go do it.
But I think the thing with the Avengers is that like Jake Said it came off as new and extremely interesting.
First off while yes the bulk of the Thor, Ironman, and Cap's movies were going to have a crossover they still each had their own little market. Thor for fantasy, Ironman for techie sci-fi, and Cap for a little bit of war movie little guy stuff. So they were bringing slightly different audiences.
Also I think there was a lot of buzz with this movie and what it was trying to do and could they pull it off.
And they did and a lot of people were excited over it.
Another possible thing that could have hurt TDKR is that word of mouth has been so mixed on it. With the Avengers everyone was raving on it and said it was awesome.
TDKR not so much. People have seemed to either love it hate or have stated it's the weakest of the trilogy or not as good as TDK. That could have caused many a fence sitters to say hmm I'll wait for it on red box.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Based on?
By families not wanting to take their children. I already know a of people who didn't watch it on the weekend, because of the shooting. It's been reported on the mainstream media, twitter, Facebook, etc... I know it's a small percentage of people, but I'm sure it hit a lot of families as well.
Originally posted by Newjak
I think the shootings may have hurt ticket sales but honestly without a lot of previous data concerning this type of stuff it's hard to know for sure what kind impact it had.It could have also sparked more interest in the movie by making people want to go do it.
But I think the thing with the Avengers is that like Jake Said it came off as new and extremely interesting.
First off while yes the bulk of the Thor, Ironman, and Cap's movies were going to have a crossover they still each had their own little market. Thor for fantasy, Ironman for techie sci-fi, and Cap for a little bit of war movie little guy stuff. So they were bringing slightly different audiences.
Also I think there was a lot of buzz with this movie and what it was trying to do and could they pull it off.
And they did and a lot of people were excited over it.
Another possible thing that could have hurt TDKR is that word of mouth has been so mixed on it. With the Avengers everyone was raving on it and said it was awesome.
TDKR not so much. People have seemed to either love it hate or have stated it's the weakest of the trilogy or not as good as TDK. That could have caused many a fence sitters to say hmm I'll wait for it on red box.
Most of the tweets right after the movie were positive across the board and it's already rose to #9 on IMDB top 250, which is a lot higher than Avengers. It also scored higher on certain places like Metacritic for what it's worth.
Originally posted by Golgo13
By families not wanting to take their children. I already know a of people who didn't watch it on the weekend, because of the shooting. It's been reported on the mainstream media, twitter, Facebook, etc... I know it's a small percentage of people, but I'm sure it hit a lot of families as well.
You are telling me that someone came up to you and said "I'm not going to see TDKR, because of the shooting?"
I have to tell you that I really doubt that conversation took place. I can understand parents not wanting to take their children to see TKDR, it's almost 3 hours long, and nothing about the last two movies suggests is either appropriate a) for children,or b) even a movie children would like to see in the first place. But that is a completely different conversation.
Originally posted by Golgo13It's got a lower rating on RT than avengers.
Most of the tweets right after the movie were positive across the board and it's already rose to #9 on IMDB top 250, which is a lot higher than Avengers. It also scored higher on certain places like Metacritic for what it's worth.
I can already tell you just based on the people in here how much different the reaction is between this movie and Avengers.
The same across all other movie media outlets I look at.
Yes there are resoundingly good ones as well but overall I think we can agree it didn't have nearly the same solid Hooray the Avengers did.
Originally posted by Newjak
It's got a lower rating on RT than avengers.I can already tell you just based on the people in here how much different the reaction is between this movie and Avengers.
The same across all other movie media outlets I look at.
Yes there are resoundingly good ones as well but overall I think we can agree it didn't have nearly the same solid Hooray the Avengers did.
The average rating is the same with TDKR, though. I mostly look at the IMDB rating, since it counts most of the users ratings. Nolan already has 3 movies in the top 15.
I think Newjak's point is that the TDKR has been getting more of a mixed reaction than that of the Avengers, which in the general sense, is true. Both movies had their critics and outright haters, but TDKR has had several people claim it's not as good as TDK (due to Ledger's Joker) or the "weakest" of the trilogy. Considering the trilogy itself is very good, it's still a positive review.
Generally, yes, The Dark Knight Rises is viewed as an very good to excellent film, but it spawned more differing opinions than the Avengers did in terms of how good.