Stop your ranting. I myself am an avid fan of The Dark Knight. I saw it three times in the cinema.
I never said Ledger's death was the sole reason. I said it was a reason. A pretty big one too. Not the biggest, but a significant one.
The Dark Knight Rises will not have that going for it this time. Period.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
While likely, that is not certain yet. Neither movie is out and therefore box office "Facts" are speculation at best. That is because almost all of Marvel's movies lately have
A) Been Good
And B) Sold wellDC's ONLY trick right now is Batman. That's it. Superman has been MIA, Green Lantern was a bomb both critically and financially...they don't have anything BUT Batman.
Even if Avengers does beat TDKR, I doubt the difference will be much. It's not like Avengers will completely stomp TDKR at the box office and vice versa. I doubt that one of these movies will sell twice as much or more than the other one. And I said that it was likely that both have an equal chance of beating the other one. It's definitely not certain yet.
And Batman is enough. He's that awesome 😉. LOL. But on a serious note, I would like to see other DC heroes get a good movie on the silver screen. I was very dissapointed with Green Lantern.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb Actually, Spider-man's first 3 movies (Raimi films) made 2.5 Billion dollars. In 3 movies. Batman's entire FRANCHISE (6 films) has made 2.6 Billion. Double Spidey's numbers and you're at 5 Billion. That puts Spider-man above Batman bud.
There are two reasons for that:
1) The live-action Batman movies before Begins all sucked monkey balls (although I haven't seen the 60s movie yet)
2) Ticket price inflation occured at the beginning of the new century. So it's not really fair to compare a movie before 2000 with a movie after 2000. If you check the list for the highest grossing selling films, over 80% of the movies on that list are movies that were released in 2000 or after. Is it because of an increase in movie popularity? Movies have been very popular since they were first created. And there isn't even a movie before 1977 on the list. Why? Due to the price of a ticket increasing.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Stop your ranting. I myself am an avid fan of The Dark Knight. I saw it three times in the cinema.I never said Ledger's death was the sole reason. I said it was a reason. A pretty big one too. Not the biggest, but a significant one.
The Dark Knight Rises will not have that going for it this time. Period.
I know you haven't said that but I know that there are MANY people on these forums and on the internet overall that do think that. My post was more addressed to all the people in general that think Ledger's death was the sole reason to the movie making all that money. Just in case they're stumbling by this thread and then they read my post. I even met someone once who said that TDK wouldn't have even made half the money it did make if it was for Ledger's death. THAT is what I completely disagree with (the ironic part is that the guy was a hardcore fan of The Crow. lol)
Well, you never know. This movie can sell itself on being made by the same creators of TDK and Inception. The general audience loved those movies to death. So I would say that TDKR does have a chance to beat TDK. I'm not saying it's certain. But you can't say it's impossible either. Toy Story 3, Pirates 2, and Alice In Wonderland already beat TDK at the box office. And Inception came close ($824 million compared to TDK's $1 billion) So it is a possibility.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Box office numbers don't matter. I'm more concerned about the quality of the film. TDK>>>>>Toy Story 3, Pirates, and Alice in Wonderland.
I know, right? There are message boards just for box office speculation. Do people really care about this stuff so much? Kinda sad, IMO, but to each his own.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=43176#comments
movie is gonna be bananas!!!
Originally posted by CPT Space BombDC's ONLY trick right now is Batman. That's it. Superman has been MIA, Green Lantern was a bomb both critically and financially...they don't have anything BUT Batman.
Superman Returns and Green Lantern just showed DC dnt have a clue what they're doing on the big screen as of late..
Superman should have been a guaranteed hit, just look at the success of Smallville, the Character is still damn popular. Singer just made more of a Rom Com than an action movie. He rightly got fired.
Im even a bit iffy about the remake.. They're using Zod? Really? Do they only get their ideas from Superman 1 and 2?? But im hoping it works. At least if they use Zod for the first, then there should be some decent action and story and for a sequel they would Have2 use a new villain.
Neway my point is look how much they spent on both GL and Supes Return? They're not budgeting right. Avengers is going have a smaller budget than either of those movies.
Plus they need to work on their story boarding and Direction if they want comic book heroes to come to life successfully on the big screen.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Actually, Spider-man's first 3 movies (Raimi films) made 2.5 Billion dollars. In 3 movies. Batman's entire FRANCHISE (6 films) has made 2.6 Billion. Double Spidey's numbers and you're at 5 Billion. That puts Spider-man above Batman bud. No, it speaks volumes of how epic Christopher Nolan is. Batman is awesome, don't get me wrong. But all the credit in the world for the new Bats' success goes to Nolan's amazing knack for making movie masterpieces.
Thats because there was very little hype for Batman Begins. And yet still $350 million was a solid figure for the time. Probably at least $400 mill in today's terms.
But just think how much Batman Begins would have made if it had the kind of hype Spiderman 1 or TDK? The Quality of Batman Begins actually contributed a lot to the hype around TDK.
Actually, both movies have things working against them:
3rd movie blues for Batman
Avengers is trying to split time between RDJ, Sam Jackson, Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, AND Mark Ruffalo....let alone the villains...
I can see where it's going to be very difficult for both films to get good critical reviews.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Lol, FOR SURE?No, that is not certain. Unless you've seen both already and know the outcome. TDKR is going to have to work against the 3rd movie syndrome (Spidey 3, X-men 3, Superman 3, Batman Forever....need I go on?).
Whereas Avengers has been building up for years and people cannot wait to see how it's going to play out.
Marvel Studios really hasn't let me down so far, so to say that one will definitely be the better movie at this point is foolish.
Yeah, for sure. Both Thor and Captain America were sub-par lackluster movies. Considering that they are just comic book movies they're not bad but they certainly werent memorable. The only two good movies from marvel studios so far is the first Iron Man and the Incredible Hulk. This is what im basing my opinion off of, that and the incredible writing, acting, pacing and action of both, Begins and TDK. Those two movies were full packages that had very deep character development. Thor and Captain America had little to none. I agree with you though, the Hype around the Avengers will be bigger and will garner more sales.
I have no faith in any writer to properly write a well balanced story of the Avengers for a two, two and half hour movie. There is just to much involved.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNxAgain, you're speculating. While you may, and probably are right in thinking TDKR will be a better REVIEWED movie, you still don't know. Perhaps you should look up the meaning of "knowing" in the dictionary. You don't know, and frankly you sound foolish in thinking you do.
Yeah, for sure.
Both Thor and Captain America were sub-par lackluster movies.This is by your standards. Opinion. Thor has been pretty highly praised for what it did, and Captain America is also gotten good reviews. Both scored considerably higher than Green Lantern, which wasn't horrible but wasn't very good.
Considering that they are just comic book movies they're not bad but they certainly werent memorable.Again, this is your opinion. I'll always remember Thor for his fights against the Frost Giants and Anthony Hopkins' and Tom Hiddleston's amazing portrayals of Odin and Loki. And Cap dive bombing that plane after beating Red Skull to save America is also memorable.
The only two good movies from marvel studios so far is the first Iron Man and the Incredible Hulk.LOL! You say the Hulk was better than Thor and Cap? This should debunk any argument you have right there. That movie's audience rating isn't even as high as Thor or Cap's critical rating...
This is what im basing my opinion off of, that and the incredible writing, acting, pacing and action of both, Begins and TDK. Those two movies were full packages that had very deep character development.Now there I'll agree with you. BB and TDK were 2 amazing films. And DC can thank their lucky stars that Chris Nolan decided to direct the Batman reboot. He's a master filmmaker, and quickly positioning himself to be the best.
Thor and Captain America had little to none.Very untrue. Captain America had a ton, you really felt for him at the end when he destroyed any chance of a relationship with Agent Carter. And Thor? Are you kidding?! The family drama between Loki, Thor and Odin was the best part of the movie. Very powerful stuff, with Hiddleston receiving high praise by critics and fans alike...so yah, totally disagree there.
I agree with you though, the Hype around the Avengers will be bigger and will garner more sales.Not necessarily, both will rake in huge money no doubt, but I'm not sure that Avengers is going to win. Notice how I said "I'm not sure" (see first point)
It will be a challenge, that's for sure. In fact it is definitely the most daunting task of the two movies. It's even worse than the 3rd movie blues that Batman faces. So if Avengers IS the better movie, that's a huge accomplishment.
I have no faith in any writer to properly write a well balanced story of the Avengers for a two, two and half hour movie. There is just to much involved. [/B]
Poll I found on Boxoffice
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/forums/viewtopic.htm?t=91641&sid=d8c364ef9128d2f10ffafe4877a8c95c
I have NO doubt that TDKR is going to absolutely kill at the box office; and deservedly so. Christopher Nolan is one of the best directors in the business, and he has risen Batman from the movie grave. The success of TDK alone is going to propel it to huge numbers.
The only chance that The Avengers has is that
A) Each movie for the respective heroes was good to great.
B) What Marvel is doing with The Avengers is unprecedented. There will be alot of hype surrounding it and that might keep it close.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Poll I found on Boxofficehttp://www.boxofficemojo.com/forums/viewtopic.htm?t=91641&sid=d8c364ef9128d2f10ffafe4877a8c95c
That's crazy I'm a marvel fan of course but i do like Batman comics, cartoon. All the other polls i've seen shown Avengers being perdicted as leading compared to other flicks or closely tied with TDKR. But time will tell of course. Anyway new info on the bat.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/debbiedowner/news/?a=43322
Originally posted by Scarlet315
That's crazy I'm a marvel fan of course but i do like Batman comics, cartoon. All the other polls i've seen shown Avengers being perdicted as leading compared to other flicks or closely tied with TDKR. But time will tell of course. Anyway new info on the bat.http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/debbiedowner/news/?a=43322
What other polls are you talking about?
Regardless, the guys on Box Office Mojo probably know what they are talking about more than others.
Originally posted by Prep-ManFrankly, I don't believe that either film is going to set the record, at least not long term. Maybe TDKR can break an opening weekend record...Mabye even Avengers.. but that's doubtful. The Dark Knight came out before the economic crash, and that certainly helped it's sales. There has only been one comic film to break the 300 Million dollar mark (American box office) since TDK IIRC (Iron Man 2), and that's just a testament to the fact that people are VERY choosy with their money in regards to movies these days. If movies like Batman and Robin were still making 200 million+, it'd be different.
do u think it will break ho ow weekend?
Originally posted by ares834
What other polls are you talking about?Regardless, the guys on Box Office Mojo probably know what they are talking about more than others.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.303883-Poll-Dark-Knight-Rises-v-The-Avengers
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/polls/?poll=1587&view=results
It's crazy but would you believe that these polls that i've been did in fact have the avengers leading in some but now has tdkr leading by a nose. Still despite Nolan's skills at producing great batman flicks, i still think the avengers will take it. For reasons that i stated before and while checking an interview done with whedon he seemed like a grown up geek that wanted this as much as most of us comicbook readers. I think he can deliver.