The Avengers movie will do better imo and honestly I think it deserves to do better. DC needs to get on the ball with making good movies. They missed a HUGE opportunity with Green Lantern. While GL was a decent movie, it's rewatch value is simply the scenes on OA.
This is going to be the first time we've seen anything like the Avengers and I'm way more psyched to see it than TDKR. I believe TDKR will be a decent movie, and I'll give it a chance because I do trust Nolan, but refusing to put the Joker back in, and Bane's voice, Catwoman's costume, etc. are gigantic turnoffs for me.
And anyone who says that Heath's death didn't help the movie generate money and interest are in denial. Guess what happened after Michael Jackson's death?? People went out and bought his music. So to say that Heath's death didn't make the movie all the more inticing is just ridiculous.
Originally posted by Odekahn
And anyone who says that Heath's death didn't help the movie generate money and interest are in denial. Guess what happened after Michael Jackson's death?? People went out and bought his music. So to say that Heath's death didn't make the movie all the more inticing is just ridiculous.
I don't think anyone ever stated that, rather they claimed that his death wasn't the only reason it became huge. Just look at Inception, the movie became huge despite the fact that no one died and that it isn't based on some highly popular book. Nolan's hot right now and TDKR will likely draw in a huge amount of money, unless it sucks.
Avengers will no doubt make an assload of money and be a great film, but it's going to be an uphill battle against TDKR.
Originally posted by ares834
I don't think anyone ever stated that, rather they claimed that his death wasn't the only reason it became huge. Just look at Inception, the movie became huge despite the fact that no one died and that it isn't based on some highly popular book. Nolan's hot right now and TDKR will likely draw in a huge amount of money, unless it sucks.Avengers will no doubt make an assload of money and be a great film, but it's going to be an uphill battle against TDKR.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Like I said his ACTING helped make the movie so damn huge. That added to word of mouth about how great the first movie was. Not Heath's death. A comic book movie doesn't make a Billion dollars because someone died LOLAnd btw Crow was a damn good movie. Not good enough to be one of the greatest of all time... But Dark Knight was, Thats why it made money.
Oh and Brandon Lee dying on set was big news. Especially considering the way his dad died.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I doubt it. Brandon Lee died during The Crow but its not like that made it one of the biggest movies of all time.The movie sold itself. Heath certainly helped a lot in that his acting was was fantastic.
Also the quality of Batman Begins helped sell The Dark Knight.
It sure seems like Heath's death is being minimized here. It helped TDK greatly. And of course that's not the only reason the movie was huge. It was a great film, but Heath's death was a pretty big factor for it doing as well as it did imo.
Originally posted by Odekahn
It sure seems like Heath's death is being minimized here. It helped TDK greatly. And of course that's not the only reason the movie was huge. It was a great film, but Heath's death was a pretty big factor for it doing as well as it did imo.
I never said it didn't effect sales AT ALL. But I do think your exaggerating how much Heath's death affected box office receipts.
Have you not talked to general movie fans? (not comic book nerds like us).. People really loved that movie. And everyone really admired Heath's acting in it.
Incidentally I just saw a movie review program on tv a few hours ago. All the movie experts are saying TDKR is THE Movie to watch out for this year. Of course so much anticipation for a movie can also lead to disappointment (The Phantom Menace comes to mind).
On another note scenes like Hulk catching Iron Man makes me think Avengers is going to appeal more to superhero fans and kids. Whilst TDKR audiences are going to be all adult movie fans.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I never said it didn't effect sales AT ALL. But I do think your exaggerating how much Heath's death affected box office receipts.Have you not talked to general movie fans? (not comic book nerds like us).. People really loved that movie. And everyone really admired Heath's acting in it.
Incidentally I just saw a movie review program on tv a few hours ago. All the movie experts are saying TDKR is THE Movie to watch out for this year. Of course so much anticipation for a movie can also lead to disappointment (The Phantom Menace comes to mind).
On another note scenes like Hulk catching Iron Man makes me think Avengers is going to appeal more to superhero fans and kids. Whilst TDKR audiences are going to be all adult movie fans.
Again, how many people loved Michael Jackson's music? A lot of people, and the sales of his albums after his death skyrocketed. TDK got an insane amount of plublicity from Heath's death, and I'm not knocking the movie at all. It's actually my favorite movie (not just comic book movie), but the death did have a large impact. It got people talking, it got people interested... hell, my gf never even saw Begins, but went to see TDK because of everything that was going on.
Just like if Hulk Hogan were to die tomorrow, his name would skyrocket to the top of Twitter and Google search. His matches would be on the front page of youtube because people would want to see them and they would flock to the wrestling business. If a famous author... oh let's say George R. R. Martin died just after completing his final book that hadn't been released yet, do you not think that it would have a dramatic increase on the sales of his book once released? What about if the writer of Harry Potter died? And we're talking about Heath Ledger... an actor whose face people know and whose movies people loved.
Yes, TDK was an amazing movie, but TDKR isn't going to have the turnout that TDK had. It will still be a blockbuster, but it will fall way short of what TDK made. And when it does... will that be proof enough for you that Heath's death was a major factor?
The Dark Knight Rises is almost certainly going to surpass The Dark Knight. I dunno if it will be as good, I have a lot of faith in Nolan but, it just going to be so tough to top TKD n Bane isn't really the greatest villain choice. But as I said I have a lot of faith in Nolan n Hardy is one of the best actors of his generation imo. Regardless its almost certainly surpassing TKD if just on hype n legacy alone.
Still I feel very confident Avengers will beat it n all this summer. There's just so many contributing factors. This will combine fans of action movies n superpowers n of Thor Ironman Hulk Cap as well as comics in general plus this has never been done before n Whedon is writing n bringing all that cred n Disney has the resources to nearly out market anything. It also has so many possibilities for sequels n spin offs. Avengers has the potential to be just the tip of a very large ice burg. Where as TDKR is the ending of the ONLY thing DC's got going for them in that genre.
Regardless of how good they actually are make no mistake atleast opening weekend they're both gonna do incredible. N believe me I'm convinced they'll both be good movies at the least but likely incredible both. Avengers just has far more factors helping to boast sales imo
Originally posted by Odekahn
Again, how many people loved Michael Jackson's music? A lot of people, and the sales of his albums after his death skyrocketed.
Lol That happens when any muscian dies. Of course it was a lot more for Michael Jackson, because he's MICHAEL JACKSON. Heath Ledger's death is not a good comparison at all to The all time KING of Pop.
Originally posted by Odekahn
TDK got an insane amount of plublicity from Heath's death, and I'm not knocking the movie at all. It's actually my favorite movie (not just comic book movie), but the death did have a large impact. It got people talking, it got people interested... hell, my gf never even saw Begins, but went to see TDK because of everything that was going on.
IIRC correctly the hype was more to do with Heath's acting in it. There were rumours that it was his best work and that it's a shame he's died now doing his best work for which he'd probably get an oscar.
I remember that's why a lot of people went to see it, they wanted to see if his acting in that was as good as hyped. But then guess what? Word of mouth spread that it was a seriosuly good movie, and Heath was awsome as The Joker and that's what really brought in the money for it.
Compare its receipts to the likes of Spiderman (the previous highest grossing superhero movie) where the cinema was packed with kids and families.
Originally posted by Odekahn
Just like if Hulk Hogan were to die tomorrow, his name would skyrocket to the top of Twitter and Google search. His matches would be on the front page of youtube because people would want to see them and they would flock to the wrestling business. If a famous author... oh let's say George R. R. Martin died just after completing his final book that hadn't been released yet, do you not think that it would have a dramatic increase on the sales of his book once released? What about if the writer of Harry Potter died? And we're talking about Heath Ledger... an actor whose face people know and whose movies people loved..
Yes there would be an effect on sales no doubt. But not to the extent your making out. Not unless the person is HUGE! Whitney Houston has died. And Im sure her music is selling more than previously. But has the world suddenly gone Whitney Houston mad? Is everyone rushing out to buy her songs? No, I don't think so.
A better comparison would be The Crow. Brandlon Lee died in a horrifc way during the filming of that movie. And IMO it was a good movie. And there was a lot of hype around his death. But did that become one of the biggest movies of all time? No. It doesn't always work like that.
Heath Ledger was no Michael Jackson.
Originally posted by Odekahn
Yes, TDK was an amazing movie, but TDKR isn't going to have the turnout that TDK had. It will still be a blockbuster, but it will fall way short of what TDK made. And when it does... will that be proof enough for you that Heath's death was a major factor?
Well no, it would just prove the effect Heath Legers acting and having The Joker as the villain had on the movie.
And also it depends how good the movie is. If it's a very mediocre movie, then I wouldn't expect it to make as much as TDK.
But tell me this.. If last time it was all about Heath's death, then why has TDKR got so much hype surrounding it??
It's because last time it was about more than just Heath's death. It was about what an awsome movie it was. And people know that and want to see more. (Even though they know they arn't going to get The Joker or Heath back, which was a Prime reason for the quality of the last one).
EDIT- note: Heath Ledger's final movie was actually "the imaginarium of doctor parnassus"
It's not like that became one of the greatest hits of all time.
Seriously guys unless TDKR ends up being some mediocre quality movie, I really don't see Avengers matching it in box office takings.
People like US SUPERHERO NERDS are much more excited for Avengers. But we are NOT your general movie audience.
Although I think opening weekend in America might be comparable. Avengers might have a chance of winning that one.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERSeriously dude, I think you are underestimating the appeal of the Avengers. I know a ton of NON-SUPERHERO NERDS who are excited about the Avengers movie just because they think the idea is cool.
Seriously guys unless TDKR ends up being some mediocre quality movie, I really don't see Avengers matching it in box office takings.People like US SUPERHERO NERDS are much more excited for Avengers. But we are NOT your general movie audience.
Although I think opening weekend in America might be comparable. Avengers might have a chance of winning that one.
Does that automatically mean that Avengers is going to beat out the TDKR, no.
But honestly it very well could even if TDKR is an amazing quality movie, the Avengers could still beat it out.
I think TDKR will be a mess. Everything so far makes it look like Nolan is making all the same mistakes as Spider-Man 3 and X3, and just throwing a bunch characters at the screen and bogging the movie down with too much fan service. Catwoman, Bane, Ra's, Talia... who ever JGL is playing. That's a lot of shit for one movie. I think at the end of the day will be wishing for one villain, because the rest are just going to ruin the perfection that is Thomas Haden Church as Sandmaaaaa.... er I mean... some Batman thing. 😮
TDKR rises should still beat Avengers at the Box Office. Avengers might do higher opening numbers (and even that is questionable), but Batman should beat out in the long run. The best thing going for Avengers it that it is coming out before all the big Summer Block Busters... but I'm not sure it is far enough removed from Hunger Games to draw the people who only see a few movies a year in theaters back in.
Originally posted by Kazenji
Cept Christopher Nolan an't no Brett Ratner or Sam Raiminot like a heap of character's is a bad thing they manage to do it for Star Wars, it comes back to the director and what they're capable of.
It's not so much the amount of characters that is the problem, but there is a difference between a unified group of protagonists that all share a goal, and half a dozen different villains each with their own set of motivations. It starts to pull the narrative in too many directions. Nolan had enough trouble juggling Two-Face and Joker in one film... I don't have much faith that if you throw two more balls at him he will prove more successful at keeping them all in the air.
Originally posted by Newjak
Seriously dude, I think you are underestimating the appeal of the Avengers. I know a ton of NON-SUPERHERO NERDS who are excited about the Avengers movie just because they think the idea is cool.Does that automatically mean that Avengers is going to beat out the TDKR, no.
But honestly it very well could even if TDKR is an amazing quality movie, the Avengers could still beat it out.
Maybe because Im in the UK. There might be more hype for it in the States.
Over here it seems to be TDKR that everyone's looking forward to.
If TDKR is a quality movie then I would be seriously shocked if Avengers beat it in worldwide box office. Seriously shocked.
Remember it's not just the quality of the last 2 hyping it up, but it's the last of what's bound to be a classic trilogy.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERPossibly, but there is a lot of hype for Avengers as well.
Maybe because Im in the UK. There might be more hype for it in the States.Over here it seems to be TDKR that everyone's looking forward to.
If TDKR is a quality movie then I would be seriously shocked if Avengers beat it in worldwide box office. Seriously shocked.
Remember it's not just the quality of the last 2 hyping it up, but it's the last of what's bound to be a classic trilogy.
If it's really good quality a lot of people flock to it to get something new and possibly different.
It could bomb to just like TDKR could as well although both are unlikely imo.
The success of the last movie usually dictates the box office of the current film. I think Amazing Spider-man will be the best of the big three comic movies this summer, but I have a feeling it's box office will be low because the poor critical reception of Spider-man 3 and dwindling audience good faith. TDKR might not hit TDK box office because, lets be honest, that was crazy - but it should come close.
I don't really know what to expect from Avengers. I'm thinking 3-400 million life time, but I don't have a real grasp on what the general audience anticipation for this film is. I'm thinking it does at least Iron Man one levels though.