Thor vs Silver Surfer vs Superman

Originally posted by Nihilist
Superman wins.

Clark ko's Thor from the start if he aint holding back against him again, its highly unlikely Surfre will go for the weakness thing, in the end he will get beat down.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Superman wins.

Clark ko's Thor from the start if he aint holding back against him again, its highly unlikely Surfre will go for the weakness thing, in the end he will get beat down.

😂 WTF

As for the fight, Thor wins.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
So not only is Superman breaking character by hitting his absolute hardest against an adversary that he doesn't even know would be able to survive such a blow, but Surfer is also breaking character by not using the strategies that have worked in the past against similar opponents? Interesting hypothesis.

Surfer can't use weakness exploit here anyways.

Speed kills. Thor, Surfer and Carver get punched in the face, and lose.

Originally posted by Badabing
Speed kills. Thor, Surfer and Carver get punched in the face, and lose.

😆 , 😂

Sounds painful.

Those two have no escape against Superman's T-Vo

Originally posted by carver9
😆 , 😂

Sounds painful.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
So not only is Superman breaking character by hitting his absolute hardest against an adversary that he doesn't even know would be able to survive such a blow, but Surfer is also breaking character by not using the strategies that have worked in the past against similar opponents? Interesting hypothesis.

Originally posted by carver9
😂 WTF

As for the fight, Thor wins.

It doesn't make sense that Surfer is handicapped and the others aren't.

Originally posted by Nihilist
He knows Thor can take his punches, Surfer aint breaking character at all, he has used weakness exploitation how many times in his history? not enough to get him a clear win when he normaly punches and blasts.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Fights from the crossovers don't count because of writer bias. Superman would have no idea what Thor or Surfer's capabilities were until he experienced them first hand.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Bullshit, JLA/AVENGERS is cannon, but not here as too many Thor fans cried about it.

That's what I keep hearing from people who want the crossover to count, but I don't really hear the same thing coming from the mods. Not saying you're wrong, but it's like the same thing when people say "oh, a bunch of people voted Superman most hated guy on the forum" or "90% of the forum hates the Hulk".

In any case, I certainly don't get that impression nowadays.

Thor sits at the head of table while Surfer and Superman wrestle outside over who gets to peer in through the window.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
It doesn't make sense that Surfer is handicapped and the others aren't.

Would you rather have Thor handicapped or Kal? I mean, the weaknesses are part of their character but they don't reflect their entire powerset, it's good to mesure characters by their potential from time to time and not to seek an easy way for them to always win. It's not like Surfer is outgunned here either.

Originally posted by Bentley
Would you rather have Thor handicapped or Kal? I mean, the weaknesses are part of their character but they don't reflect their entire powerset, it's good to mesure characters by their potential from time to time and not to seek an easy way for them to always win. It's not like Surfer is outgunned here either.

Yeah...

...and Surfer still wins.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
I'm not saying he's outgunned. If you want to accurately gauge their fighting abilities you don't do that by handicapping one and leaving the other two alone. You give all three their base abilities and proceed from there. It would be like telling BJ Penn that he couldn't use juijitsu in an MMA fight or telling Cap that he can't use his sheild. Doing it this way all it really establishes is who is the most one dimensional.

Since Surfer isn't outgunned and the debate is still going on this is a valid thread.

Keep in mind that without considering weaknesses we can actually gauge their feats as if they were generic instead of depending and defining the battle around weaknesses. This opens a range of strategies and possibilities that are better explored than dismissed for the sake of "fairness".

^ So Superman's magic weakness is also non-existent here?

Originally posted by Nihilist
He knows Thor can take his punches, Surfer aint breaking character at all, he has used weakness exploitation how many times in his history? .

Not that this is relevant to this thread, but the question of how many times has surfer weakness exploitation is something that is contingent upon the amount of enemies he faces with obviously exploitable weaknesses like superman (very few). however if that question implies the question of how many times surfer has used his pc in an exotic way to get the win then quite a few times actually.

Of the top of my head: Spiderman twice (encasement, molecular manipulation), Daredevil (encasement), Hulk twice (energy drain), Genis vell (board entrapment), Johnny storm (molecular manipulation), Fantastic four (molecular manipulation, psychic attacks, levitation), Medusa (life force drain), Sympira (power stripping), Skaar (power or energy stripping), T and A ( manipulation of an external energy source), Firelord (energy absorption and overload), Lunatik (molecular manipulation), Obliterator (molecular manip), Quasimodo (turned him to stone), In thy Name monster (astral plane attack), Wonderman (manipulated internal ionic energy) Vision (manipulated internal electrical frequency) etc etc.

Now obviously given this thread some of the aforemetioned ways to win would be invalid (not all though). Point is he uses his PC in ways other than just punching and blasting more than enough for it to be in character especially when the "fighting to best of ability" clause is inserted.

Yeah...

...and Surfer still wins.