Thor vs Silver Surfer vs Superman

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I think, honestly that Superman proved already that he should be trans, that's why I give the others equal chances with weakness exploits. Without they lose, but both Surfer and Thor are the high end of the herald level and near trans themselves.

Haha what? That's a pretty stupid thing to say.

If you assume Superman's mystical vulnerability is in play against Thor, he goes from definitely losing to getting his *ss completely stomped depending on how much play the vulnerability gets. Busiek didn't write a particularly powerful Thor, ignored the magical vulnerability and still had Thor push Superman to his limit. I'd also like to point out that Thor fought like a brick; Clark used a much bigger chunk of his offensive powers in comparison to Thor.

I think it's a safe bet that anyone giving Clark more than 6/10 against Thor -no weakness taken into account- is wrong.

Seriously, the notion that Surfer/Thor need to exploit weakness to gain an advantage is silly.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'd also like to point out that Thor fought like a brick; Clark used a much bigger chunk of his offensive powers in comparison to Thor.

Originally posted by Starscream M
that's cuz clark is far smarter than thor

Originally posted by Starscream M
that's cuz clark is far smarter than thor

Not really. He does use his powers intelligently more often however. At least he makes more out of his abilities. On the other hand, I'd argue that Thor is noticeably more powerful -supported even by JLA/Avengers- and is capable of far more in regards to versatility. As a result, he comes off as less competent, but writers have to limit him to write stories. Busiek did it more so than any other writer than I can think of.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on what ?

also the fact that superman has superintelligence, a fact often overlooked while thor is...let's just say, he's no einstein

Originally posted by Starscream M
based on their entire history?

also the fact that superman has superintelligence, a fact often overlooked while thor is...let's just say, he's no einstein

Were we not discussing combat?

Anyways, Busiek reintroduced Clark's superhuman processing abilities -I always lol'd at how he went out of his way to limit Thor but brought that back- but he's no genius. Not in the same vein as true geniuses like Reed or even Luthor.

For the record, Thor's pretty intelligent.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Not really. He does use his powers intelligently more often however. At least he makes more out of his abilities. On the other hand, I'd argue that Thor is noticeably more powerful -supported even by JLA/Avengers- and is capable of far more in regards to versatility. As a result, he comes off as less competent, but writers have to limit him to write stories. Busiek did it more so than any other writer than I can think of.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Were we not discussing combat?

Anyways, Busiek reintroduced Clark's superhuman processing abilities -I always lol'd at how he went out of his way to limit Thor but brought that back- but he's no genius. Not in the same vein as true geniuses like Reed or even Luthor.

For the record, Thor's pretty intelligent.

and this is battle, but intelligence is important factor in a fight. superman is more likely to assess and change up his strategies whereas thor is more likely to rely on tried and true tactics.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Why would you say not really, and then not only post nothing that supports your argument, but further back the opposite side?

A smart guy like you can't figure it out?

I strongly disagree with the notion that Clark is a far smarter combatant. The fact that he brawls 95% of the time pretty much destroys that. I do however believe that Clark fights intelligently more often than Thor but at the same time, Clark gets limited less as he has a much smaller array of exotic powers to draw from in comparison to Thor.

Originally posted by Starscream M
based on their entire history?

also the fact that superman has superintelligence, a fact often overlooked while thor is...let's just say, he's no einstein

Superman's also nowhere near a doom or reed intellect but it doesn't matter as neither of these three imo have the battle experience or battle savvy.

As for the thread, this is unfair for the Thor/Surfer side, since you're practically taking away the main debatable methods through which they can win, which is weakness exploitation, and further enhancing the method through which Superman can, for which they really have no answer when used at full potential - speed.

Originally posted by Starscream M
superman I suspect could actually hold his own in discussing complex equations and calculations with a luthor or a doom...after all, his mind is more powerful than the best supercomputer, so in certain areas he's actually smarter than luthor and doom...of course his morality limits the use of his intellect

and this is battle, but intelligence is important factor in a fight. superman is more likely to assess and change up his strategies whereas thor is more likely to rely on tried and true tactics.

Haha, okay man, whatever you say.

Don't read much comics do you? Superman tactic changing can be summarized in one sentence: "This time I'll punch him even harder."

Originally posted by Philosophía
As for the thread, this is unfair for the Thor/Surfer side, since you're practically taking away the main debatable methods through which they can win, which is weakness exploitation, and further enhancing the method through which Superman can, for which they really have no answer when used at full potential - speed.

I can honestly say I rarely if ever see the mystical weakness being brought up in Thor vs. Superman discussions.

It just wouldn't be fair to Clark.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
A smart guy like you can't figure it out?

I strongly disagree with the notion that Clark is a far smarter combatant. The fact that he brawls 95% of the time pretty much destroys that. I do however believe that Clark fights intelligently more often than Thor but at the same time, Clark gets limited less as he has a much smaller array of exotic powers to draw from in comparison to Thor. [/B]

Which still doesn't take away from the point that Clark is portrayed as the smarter combatant.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Haha what? That's a pretty stupid thing to say.

If you assume Superman's mystical vulnerability is in play against Thor, he goes from definitely losing to getting his *ss completely stomped depending on how much play the vulnerability gets. Busiek didn't write a particularly powerful Thor, ignored the magical vulnerability and still had Thor push Superman to his limit. I'd also like to point out that Thor fought like a brick; Clark used a much bigger chunk of his offensive powers in comparison to Thor.

I think it's a safe bet that anyone giving Clark more than 6/10 against Thor -no weakness taken into account- is wrong.

Seriously, the notion that Surfer/Thor need to exploit weakness to gain an advantage is silly.

facepalm

Superman is vulnerable to magic and red sun radiation and kryptonite, but at his best it isn't an autowin like it was some years ago. We already saw how Thor stomp his ass 🙄. His limits were still higher then Thor it seems, as he was beaten by the most powerful avangers left and still get up at the same time as Thor. Get over it. Thor lost.
Superman isn't invulnerable to magic but he resists it pretty well at his best, and he is much much faster then Thor. That's why I would give them a split in a all out fight. And Superman didn't use everything, like most of the time, he didn't use his speed. Anyway.

A safe bet, heh sleepy

In your opinion. 🙂

Originally posted by Philosophía
You're playing the semantics game, and saying that while you agree with the notion that Superman is smarter, the "far" part was the one that bothered you?

Which still doesn't take away from the point that Clark is portrayed as the smarter combatant.

I'm not really sure what you have difficulty understanding, I made my stance very clear. Do I need a picture book to explain this to you?

Clark is not a far smarter fighter than Thor. He does however make more use of his -limited- power set more often on average.

Take that statement however you like.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Clark is not a far smarter fighter than Thor.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Why would you say not really, and then not only post nothing that supports your argument, but further back the opposite side?

partially agree with you, surfer needs weakness exploitation to beat supes. However thor wont. Thor has the tools to take down supes ,as well as supes had the tools to take down thor.

Originally posted by zeel
partially agree with you, surfer needs weakness exploitation to beat supes. However thor wont. Thor has the tools to take down supes ,as well as supes had the tools to take down thor.

I agree with the people arguing Thor vs Superman... Surfer wins here

It's really down to who comes in second

Bump.

This goes something like this.

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