CISless Zoom vs Odin

Started by Uriel00535 pages

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Because you already asked this *same* question in my other thread and it's just going to be some long, drawn out, pointless comparison to Odin that is unnecessary. Nothing nonsenical about it, it's just the fact that you don't like it. The theory of relativity does use parts of real world theory with the SF, but the SF picks and chooses parts of physics to ignore. Whether or not you like it is irrelevant. No it isn't. I was saying approaching beyond light their mass moves towards infinity (Infinite mass punch) and has the "potential" to do so in theory, never said it was a feasible option in a match. So far it has been compared to a white dwarf star, and that is fine to use. It was never stated as a max, so you assigning one to it when there was none in the first place makes no sense. I didn't say they go around punching with galaxy level power on a regular basis. He's also taken on entire teams before and been so fast that Superman nor an amped Flash can keep up with him, picking low feats out of all of them doesn't really help your argument. He hits on the level of Flash (and harder) and Flash hits on a high herald level. Does Zoom have the number of showings of Flash and Superman? No, but he is definitely more powerful and they don't do much other than inconvenience him in a match where he isn't trying to destroy them.

In this match there *is* no CIS which makes a big difference. So the lowballing is irrelevant.

Odin hasn't had any arguments brought on his end other than "he's Odin". I think he has the potential to lose. Him losing the majority is not something I nor Galan (as far as I know) has said.

Agree on all points except for Zoom being stronger than Flash. he acts like Flash kryptonite and if Flash were to SF barrier break on him his ass would be toast and no amount of time stops would help him in the slightest.

lol

Originally posted by Uriel005
Agree on all points except for Zoom being stronger than Flash. he acts like Flash kryptonite and if Flash were to SF barrier break on him his ass would be toast and no amount of time stops would help him in the slightest.
He has the potential to do so, but Zoom is for the time being and is portrayed as more powerful.

So, how many does Zoom win?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Comic logic isn't thrown out the window, that's why it's other comic showings that are used to determine if something is PIS.
Correct. That is why the other comics determined that Zoom's punches were PIS. The comics where relativity is discussed and the comics where the writer believes more speed means more punching power.


In order for the Powergirl fight to be ruled PIS, you'd have to provide examples of Zoom blitzing with Superman level punches.

No we don't. The writer who wrote Zoom being able to hit with Superman level punches is enough. The writer of the Zoom vs. PG comic isn't trying to tell us that Zoom's punches were weaker just because he decided to throw a million of them. He's trying to say that Zoom's punches are weak no matter how he throws them. This is common sense.

10$ says h1 doesn't know who zoom is 😉

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He has the potential to do so, but Zoom is for the time being and is portrayed as more powerful.
Oh i'm just commenting on a CIS-less situation

Originally posted by psycho gundam
10$ says h1 doesn't know who zoom is 😉

Covered.

So when Zoom throws millions of punches and causes less damage then a single punch, it proves his punches are weak.

Yet when Savage Hulk hits Spiderman and causes less damage then he has against Thor, this proves what exactly?

And don't say that he holds back. It's Savage Hulk, the one with the intellect of a child... He probably has no idea what holding back even means...

Spiderman rolls with the punch.

And Hulk holds back.

Duh.

Savage Hulk does hold back and pull his punches. Otherwise he'd have murdered a lot of people.

Originally posted by h1a8
Correct. That is why the other comics determined that Zoom's punches were PIS. The comics where relativity is discussed and the comics where the writer believes more speed means more punching power.

No we don't. The writer who wrote Zoom being able to hit with Superman level punches is enough. The writer of the Zoom vs. PG comic isn't trying to tell us that Zoom's punches were weaker just because he decided to throw a million of them. He's trying to say that Zoom's punches are weak no matter how he throws them. This is common sense.

The writer of the Powergirl fight wrote that Zoom blitzing lowers the power of his punches.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He's also taken on entire teams before and been so fast that Superman nor an amped Flash can keep up with him, picking low feats out of all of them doesn't really help your argument. He hits on the level of Flash (and harder) and Flash hits on a high herald level. Does Zoom have the number of showings of Flash and Superman? No, but he is definitely more powerful and they don't do much other than inconvenience him in a match where he isn't trying to destroy them.

In this match there *is* no CIS which makes a big difference. So the lowballing is irrelevant.

Odin hasn't had any arguments brought on his end other than "he's Odin". I think he has the potential to lose. Him losing the majority is not something I nor Galan (as far as I know) has said.


I realize what he's done, or how fast he is. I'm not questioning that.

I'm not picking low feats out of all of them, I'm saying that in the same time he was shown to hit as hard as Superman, that he failed to beat a blinded Wonder Woman. Do I think he should get beaten by Diana? No. Do I think he hits as hard as Superman? No. Which makes the whole fight questionable IMO.
I'm not picking and choosing, the Zoom side is.

The problem is that Zoom hasn't actually KO'ed a top tier before besides a Flash, and the only real attempt to explain his punching power occurred in a fight where he got beaten by Wonder Woman anyway... He's fought top tiers before though...
Which means we pick and choose to get his power at Superman level and ignore him looking beatable.

I'm not saying who wins, I'm just questioning the logic for Zoom's side. Mostly, since it turns into "LOL MILLIONS OF SUPERMAN LEVEL PUNCHES IN A SPLIT SECOND!!!"

Originally posted by h1a8
You guys are using faulty reasoning. You conclude that since Zoom is seen throwing millions of punches and doing nothing whereas him throwing one punch is doing a lot automatically means that throwing millions of punches results in lesser power.

The conclusion doesn't follow. Why?
Because of PIS and CIS.
Do you think the writer believed that if Zoom punched only once he would have done something better? NO! In his mind Zoom couldn't hurt PG no matter how he punched. His view is that speedsters are fast but not very strong and shouldn't be hurting beings like PowerGirl.

Where the other writer viewed a speedster as being able to do Superman level damage or beyond based off their speed. And other writer's explain that Speedsters can hit with Superman level blows or beyond by relativity theory. Writer's differ in opinion on characters some of the time. That is why we have PIS.

no, I argue based off of what the writers give me. If I throw as many punches as I can as fast as I can they won't be my most powerful punches just like Zoom has never thrown 1 million superman level punches because he can't. he can throw a few million but in the end he failed to even hurt Powergirl so despite the speed advantage he gets hit eventually since his punches weren't even shown when in huge numbers like this to take anyone out even near Odin level let alone Powergirl.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I realize what he's done, or how fast he is. I'm not questioning that.

I'm not picking low feats out of all of them, I'm saying that in the same time he was shown to hit as hard as Superman, that he failed to beat a blinded Wonder Woman. Do I think he should get beaten by Diana? No. Do I think he hits as hard as Superman? No. Which makes the whole fight questionable IMO.
I'm not picking and choosing, the Zoom side is.

The problem is that Zoom hasn't actually KO'ed a top tier before besides a Flash, and the only real attempt to explain his punching power occurred in a fight where he got beaten by Wonder Woman anyway... He's fought top tiers before though...
Which means we pick and choose to get his power at Superman level and ignore him looking beatable.

I'm not saying who wins, I'm just questioning the logic for Zoom's side. Mostly, since it turns into "LOL MILLIONS OF SUPERMAN LEVEL PUNCHES IN A SPLIT SECOND!!!"

At the same time he holds back and even when he does things like snap his fingers he's done great damage. He doesn't want to destroy the heroes, so it makes him tricky to argue on a forum. He should hit on that level, but we haven't proved anything beyond that. So I think that's fair.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
At the same time he holds back and even when he does things like snap his fingers he's done great damage. He doesn't want to destroy the heroes, so it makes him tricky to argue on a forum. He should hit on that level, but we haven't proved anything beyond that. So I think that's fair.
I don't feel he should hit on Superman's level, but fair enough. Both these guys are tricky to talk about on forums.

And please stop quoting H1 everyone. That guy doesn't know what he's talking about at all times.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
when he does things like snap his fingers he's done great damage.
Zoom is a black woman?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
10$ says h1 doesn't know who zoom is 😉

lol 😆
Are you smoking something?

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb

... since it turns into "LOL MILLIONS OF SUPERMAN LEVEL PUNCHES IN A SPLIT SECOND!!!"

Or one punch that's sufficiently close to the speed of light that koes Odin.

Originally posted by h1a8
lol 😆
Are you smoking something?
An herb called truth.