Originally posted by leonidasZoom can hit that hard when he's moving at light speed -- as his mass increases in accordance with his speed. The increasing mass factoid has been shown multiple times, by multiple characters (Zoom, Superman, and Flash for starters.)
you'd know better than anyone partner--aside from that ww issue, where else has it been shown that zoom can punch as hard as superman?if there are no others circumstances where he has done something comparable, how do you not label the feats of that ww issue as pis, in lieu of labelling ALL OTHER FEATS as pis?
Acting as though the speed/mass hax ability doesn't exist in DC is digging pretty deep -- it is an established fact (not pointing the finger at you, my friend... Just a blanket statement)
Originally posted by Galan007You see I've never seen the Superman Zoom issues. So if that's case then I would retract my statement.
Except Zoom has blitzed Superman a few different times now, AND he's moved so fast that Supes was a statue in comparison -- I can't think of a single character whose duplicated either of those feats (not even Flash.)Anywho, I'm fine with you not agreeing with some of the opinions in this thread (I don't like many of them either), but lets not start using PIS-ridden low showings from Zoom, as if they somehow negate his plethora of higher feats.
...It's no different then bringing up Panther arm-barring Surfer, or the NYPD arresting Thanos in that regard. srsly
Of course I would ask would you feel a non holding Superman doing?
Holding his penis?
Originally posted by Silent MasterSure it does. Manipulating speed gives him more power and he also has time to hit harder.
That doesn't answer my question.
Originally posted by Galan007I thought I was the only sane man.
Zoom can hit that hard when he's moving at light speed -- as his mass increases in accordance with his speed. The increasing mass factoid has been shown multiple times, by multiple characters (Zoom, Superman, and Flash for starters.)Acting as though the speed/mass hax ability doesn't exist in DC is digging pretty deep -- it is an established fact (not pointing the finger at you, my friend... Just a blanket statement)
Originally posted by Galan007
Zoom can hit that hard when he's moving at light speed -- as his mass increases in accordance with his speed. The increasing mass factoid has been shown multiple times, by multiple characters (Zoom, Superman, and Flash for starters.) Acting as though the speed/mass hax ability doesn't exist in DC is digging pretty deep -- it is an established fact (not pointing the finger at you, my friend... Just a blanket statement)
i know that smart guy. dots
i've never argued that flash's mass seems to increase with speed as a way to explain his ability to hit hard. zoom's a bit different. given his powerset, it doesn't seem like the reasons they hit hard SHOULD be the same to me, but there really isn't a solid explanation for what he can do so..... shrug
what i HAVE and will CONTINUE to contest is the idea of bringing that 'factoid' to its logical, REAL WORLD CONCLUSION within the comicbook world and the claims that it is somehow illogical for people to point out the nonsensical conclusions that are being arrived at as a result.
and THAT is exactly what is happening in this thread.
you know, pretty much like last time. 😄
Originally posted by leonidasLike I said before, I disagree with people saying that Zoom can strike with '>> Superman-level punches' in a CIS-free environment. We can only go by what he has done on panel, not what we think he 'might' be able to do.
what i HAVE and will CONTINUE to contest is the idea of bringing that 'factoid' to its logical, REAL WORLD CONCLUSION within the comicbook world and the claims that it is somehow illogical for people to point out the nonsensical conclusions that are being arrived at as a result.and THAT is exactly what is happening in this thread.
you know, pretty much like last time. 😄
So if that is what you're saying as well, then I agree. 👆