Originally posted by Sr J-BiebTrue, this thread is a really long bitchfest with people who don't like other's being on the "other's" level or whatever. I think it is dumb really. Nobody is going to agree and people will just insult. Why I don't bother with posting seriously much on KMC anymore.
I don't feel he should hit on Superman's level, but fair enough. Both these guys are tricky to talk about on forums.And please stop quoting H1 everyone. That guy doesn't know what he's talking about at all times.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Savage Hulk does hold back and pull his punches. Otherwise he'd have murdered a lot of people.
Unless he's fighting Wolverine.
Oftentimes, Hulk hits Wolverine with punches that would kill him if he didn't have an indestructible skeleton and healing factor.
So, why is it Hulk doesn't murder people, when we know he has no such compulsions against using lethal force on Wolverine?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Because you already asked this *same* question in my other thread and it's just going to be some long, drawn out, pointless comparison to Odin that is unnecessary. Nothing nonsenical about it, it's just the fact that you don't like it. The theory of relativity does use parts of real world theory with the SF, but the SF picks and chooses parts of physics to ignore. Whether or not you like it is irrelevant. No it isn't. I was saying approaching beyond light their mass moves towards infinity (Infinite mass punch) and has the "potential" to do so in theory, never said it was a feasible option in a match. So far it has been compared to a white dwarf star, and that is fine to use. It was never stated as a max, so you assigning one to it when there was none in the first place makes no sense. I didn't say they go around punching with galaxy level power on a regular basis. He's also taken on entire teams before and been so fast that Superman nor an amped Flash can keep up with him, picking low feats out of all of them doesn't really help your argument. He hits on the level of Flash (and harder) and Flash hits on a high herald level. Does Zoom have the number of showings of Flash and Superman? No, but he is definitely more powerful and they don't do much other than inconvenience him in a match where he isn't trying to destroy them.In this match there *is* no CIS which makes a big difference. So the lowballing is irrelevant.
Odin hasn't had any arguments brought on his end other than "he's Odin". I think he has the potential to lose. Him losing the majority is not something I nor Galan (as far as I know) has said.
and that's where at least h1 takes things to its end. if you think he--and all others in dc--can IN THEORY hit with force enough to destroy galaxies, and you DON'T see that as a problem, wellllll......... shrug
and you're right--i DON'T accept it. NOT becasue i don't like it. but because there is ZERO proof of anything remotely close to that--on panel OR 'in comicbook theory'--to support it.
Alright I do kind of want to ask something here, people keep talking about the effectiveness of Zoom's punches specifically with Wonder Woman.
I haven't read the comic so I will defer to someone who has, but from what I've seen and heard:
First off it doesn't really seem to add up to Zoom's punches being Superman level because imo if Superman got the same hits on WW as Zoom did Dianna would not be standing much less pulling out a win.
Secondly WW was still able to beat Zoom even blind.
Thirdly couldn't Zoom's effectiveness in the fight be attributed more to the fact Zoom was able to take advantage of the circumstances against WW?
My logic behind this is that even an adult can be knocked down by a kid if the adult isn't suspecting anything.
It just seems more logical to me that the PG fight is more in line with what would happen against someone who is superstrong and durable and was bracing and fast enough to counter Zoom.
Wonder Woman got knocked across the world. Pretty powerful.
Originally posted by leonidasWell it is called "infinite mass" The Flash has destroyed the anti-monitor armor. It sounds over the top but I'm not saying they'll run around and do it.
and that's where at least h1 takes things to its end. if you think he--and all others in dc--can IN THEORY hit with force enough to destroy galaxies, and you DON'T see that as a problem, wellllll......... shrugand you're right--i DON'T accept it. NOT becasue i don't like it. but because there is ZERO proof of anything remotely close to that--on panel OR 'in comicbook theory'--to support it.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterI'm not saying his attacks aren't powerful but compared to the rest of the ilk he's in it's nothing that impressive.
Wonder Woman got knocked across the world. Pretty powerful.Well it is called "infinite mass" The Flash has destroyed the anti-monitor armor. It sounds over the top but I'm not saying they'll run around and do it.
Like I was thinking though it could have been made a lot better looking cause of the circumstances WW was in, and Zoom's punches against PG would seem more logical considering the outcome of the WW fight but also relative to power levels shown by the other characters around him.
I could see Superman doing the same thing PG did against Zoom.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterSo what if he hits on the level of Flash. I don't see Flash doing much better in the circumstances.
However in Zoom's character he doesn't try to do anything but strengthen heroes. It's been made pretty clear he hits on the level of Flash.
Plus I like I said its all relative every hero holds, so just because one person cuts lose we can not forget to factor in that other person can to, and that often times what argument can made for the first character can be made for the second one as well.
Originally posted by NewjakExcept Zoom has blitzed Superman a few different times now, AND he's moved so fast that Supes was a statue in comparison -- I can't think of a single character whose duplicated either of those feats (not even Flash.)
I could see Superman doing the same thing PG did against Zoom.
Anywho, I'm fine with you not agreeing with some of the opinions in this thread (I don't like many of them either), but lets not start using PIS-ridden low showings from Zoom, as if they somehow negate his plethora of higher feats.
...It's no different then bringing up Panther arm-barring Surfer, or the NYPD arresting Thanos in that regard. srsly
Originally posted by Galan007
Except Zoom has blitzed Superman a few different times now, AND he's moved so fast that Supes was a statue in comparison -- I can't think of a single character whose duplicated either of those feats (not even Flash.)Anywho, I'm fine with you not agreeing with some of the opinions in this thread (I don't like many of them either), but lets not start using PIS-ridden low showings from Zoom, as if they somehow negate his plethora of higher feats.
...It's no different then bringing up Panther arm-barring Surfer, or the NYPD arresting Thanos in that regard. srsly
you'd know better than anyone partner--aside from that ww issue, where else has it been shown that zoom can punch as hard as superman?
if there are no others circumstances where he has done something comparable, how do you not label the feats of that ww issue as pis, in lieu of labelling ALL OTHER FEATS as pis?
Originally posted by Silent MasterBy whom?
It's also been made clear that when he blitzes, his punching power goes way down.
Originally posted by NewjakWell Zoom is way beyond Flash anyways.
So what if he hits on the level of Flash. I don't see Flash doing much better in the circumstances.Plus I like I said its all relative every hero holds, so just because one person cuts lose we can not forget to factor in that other person can to, and that often times what argument can made for the first character can be made for the second one as well.
Originally posted by leonidasAnd Hulk has the potential to get stronger and stronger and speedsters increase their mass constantly. Has it ever been said otherwise or given a defined limit? If so, what?
and hulk's strength has been called limitless. odin himself is 'all-powerful'. for the life of me i don't understand why you want to put so much faith in that particular and SINGULAR instance and phrase that has never been repeated.