Originally posted by Sr J-BiebIf CIS is on then punching with the force of Superman just isn't something Zoom would regularly do (he tries to teach heroes, not beat them to a pulp, and/or kill them.)
What about Zoom = to Superman punches?
If CIS is off, then I think Superman-level punches are free game for Zoom. Based on his encounter with Dianna + established continuity, we know that a characters mass increases toward infinity the closer they get to the speed of light - speed begets mass (hence Dianna's mental comment about Zoom's Superman-esque punches at light speed.) However, there is no reason to assume he can hit harder than Superman, because he has no feats indicative of such. Superman-level strikes are his absolute cap.
Originally posted by Silent MasterWhere forum battles are concerned, whatever Thor's hardest on panel strike is with Mjolnir, is the hardest he can hit.
So, how powerful can Thor hit...seeing as he can spin Mjolnir at 2x the speed of light?
Remember, this isn't a guessing/speculation game. This crap needs to be feat-based.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterYeah, you seem to have nailed him. Circular debates to which he asks all the questions yet won't answer one is par for the course.
I know from experience. I don't mind people disagreeing with me, but I want to have a discussion where I don't repeat myself over and over either. As long as people can be decent and respectful I'll answer the questions asked. It's all good fun.
Originally posted by Galan007
If CIS is on then punching with the force of Superman just isn't something Zoom would regularly do (he tries to teach heroes, not beat them to a pulp, and/or kill them.)If CIS is off, then I think Superman-level punches are free game for Zoom. Based on his encounter with Dianna + established continuity, we know that a characters mass increases toward infinity the closer they get to the speed of light - speed begets mass (hence Dianna's mental comment about Zoom's Superman-esque punches at light speed.) However, there is no reason to assume he can hit harder than Superman, because he has no feats indicative of such. Superman-level strikes are his absolute cap.
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ok, so you also answered my other question then--you don't find that ww feat to be pis because others have used speed to increase their mass and add power to their punches, right? i ask because that feat seems to me to be a VERY large departure from zoom's other showings, (unless of course i'm missing an example) and such outlier feats are typically labelled pis.
be that as it may, lets say everyone on all sides agrees he can hit like clark because it was shown on panel. the question then becomes how many times can he hit? do we ALSO go by on panel feats here? because he has NEVER shown to be able to thrown multiple supes level blows on panel. so, do you think we stick to on panel in THIS case as well?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Because you already asked this *same* question in my other thread and it's just going to be some long, drawn out, pointless comparison to Odin that is unnecessary.
Oh my bad, I thought you had an actual legitimate answer instead of some vague bullshit about how you "feel" Galactus wins or whatever.
Zoom vs. Galactus/A Celestial, who wins?
Common people, it's just a simple question. I'd like Sausona or whatever to answer it in particular.
Too bad he has a vagina for genitals and is deathly afraid of just a question. F*cking coward.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusNo, I mentioned it in detail in the other thread, you not liking my answer doesn't mean I didn't have an answer, there's a difference.
Oh my bad, I thought you had an actual legitimate answer instead of some vague bullshit about how you "feel" Galactus wins or whatever.Zoom vs. Galactus/A Celestial, who wins?
Common people, it's just a simple question. I'd like Sausona or whatever to answer it in particular.
Too bad he has a vagina for genitals and is deathly afraid of just a question. F*cking coward.
Nah, I'm pretty sure it was just more bullshit. You never gave me a direct answer, always hiding behind the argument that it's an unnecessary comparison while deflecting but unfortunately, the reasons as to why you have Odin losing can be successfully applied to Galactus. I could literally strike out Odin and insert Galactus into the arguments being made.
We can start a separate thread if you want. Would you have a legitimate discussion then?
You don't get to pick and choose. You want to play this game of idiocy and bullshit, go all the way. Maybe you'll finally realize how to dumb it is when I apply it to Eternity or Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet.
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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Nah, I'm pretty sure it was just more bullshit. You never gave me a direct answer, always hiding behind the argument that it's an unnecessary comparison while deflecting but unfortunately, the reasons as to why you have Odin losing can be successfully applied to Galactus. I could literally strike out Odin and insert Galactus into the arguments being made.We can start a separate thread if you want. Would you have a legitimate discussion then?
You don't get to pick and choose. You want to play this game of idiocy and bullshit, go all the way. Maybe you'll finally realize how to dumb it is when I apply it to Eternity or Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet.
No, you aren't pretty sure anything, you are asking a question and trying to apply it to something else because you *have* no argument. And furthermore neither Galan nor I (as I've said the past 1,000) times, never said they won the majority, only that they could win. The only reason this circle charade is going on is because there is no argument that Odin wins other than because he's Odin. Saying Spider-Man wins against Abomination because the Hulk would makes no sense, there is no relation whatsoever. Odin is *not* Galactus nor is he as powerful.
Hiding behind what? I'm just casually posting and messing around a bit, nothing seriously. Nothing to deflect. That is said by other posters on the Odin side who ran out of juice. You've never seen me seriously argue anything on here and if you did you'd know.
We've already got about 4 threads on a similar topic, you can keep adding more it will just go in circles. Not to mention Zoom and Odin aren't as feat heavy as other characters which make them more difficult to argue. I like you and all, but trying to insult me is something that won't fly.