Odin immediately sensing anything about Zoom implies he has the speed or reactions to keep up with him. Zoom and the Flash's reaction feats go way way way above anything we've seen from Odin.
No point acting like Odin won't be a statue to him, he won't be able to do anything before Zoom starts beating his face in.
Originally posted by h1a8
It's easy. What is the IMP based on and why is it even called INFINITE MASS PUNCH? Does the word INFINITE ring a bell?It is clear from canon comics that the IMP is based off the special theory of relativity which states that the closer an object with mass gets to the speed of light then the more mass it gains and thus producing a higher kinetic energy and higher momentum (also explained in the comics).
Using Lorentz transformation
, where m is relativistic mass, m0 is rest mass, v is velocity, and c is the speed of light in a vacuum, we see that the closer v is to c then the closer the denominator gets to 0 from the positive side and thus making the relativistic mass astronomical. The limit of this function is infinity and hence the name INFINITE MASS PUNCH.[/b]
[B]m=m0/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
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nice job of doing precisely what is wrong with everything about this thread and taking a real world theory, which isn't (a) CONSISTENTLY followed even by the people at dc, and (b) even used accurately when it IS brought into play that, you know, one time FLASH (NOT zoom) used it. 👆
Agreed some writers chose not to champion relativity and some have.
Some writers chosen not to champion neither relativity nor the idea that punching power is based off speed and mass but purely strength.
Zoom's punching power has been championed by ALL of these viewpoints. Thus choosing Zoom at his best we must champion the idea of Zoom's punching power being based off relativity.
so, because no writer agrees, we are left to choose the one YOU like best? 😂
arrogant much?
so, as i said, zoom, flash, superman, wonderwoman, manhunter, greenlantern, ad near infinitum, can all hit with the force of GALAXIES.
nice job setting the thread back to the stone age. clap
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No, you aren't pretty sure anything, you are asking a question and trying to apply it to something else because you *have* no argument. And furthermore neither Galan nor I (as I've said the past 1,000) times, never said they won the majority, only that they could win. The only reason this circle charade is going on is because there is no argument that Odin wins other than because he's Odin. Saying Spider-Man wins against Abomination because the Hulk would makes no sense, there is no relation whatsoever. Odin is *not* Galactus nor is he as powerful.
Nah I am. If I'm clearly so off the mark, then answer the damn question. I have an argument or two, I just want to see to how far you'll take this stupidity. It's pretty clear why you're so hesitant on answering. You're trying to take this only half way but the next logical step is to an entity like Galactus. Unfortunately, you don't get to do that.
Apply this reasoning across the board or don't apply it at all.
How does Odin beat Zoom in your opinion? Apparently arguments have run out for Odin and yet you think Zoom could beat Odin, I just find that a bit weird.
You'll find out where I'm going with this once you answer the question. False analogy. You're applying a type of logic for this fight and yet fear to do the same against someone like Galactus. That's basically the gist of it. I want to know why Galactus wins, and I want a legitimate answer, or else you'll be guilty of the same type of logic you've accused others of. Galactus Odin wins just because he's a Cosmic Entity Skyfather.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Hiding behind what? I'm just casually posting and messing around a bit, nothing seriously. Nothing to deflect. That is said by other posters on the Odin side who ran out of juice. You've never seen me seriously argue anything on here and if you did you'd know.
Behind what I just said. Okay, make a serious attempt and answer these questions for me:
How does Odin beat Zoom?
Zoom vs. -an average- Galactus, who wins and how?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
We've already got about 4 threads on a similar topic, you can keep adding more it will just go in circles. Not to mention Zoom and Odin aren't as feat heavy as other characters which make them more difficult to argue. I like you and all, but trying to insult me is something that won't fly.
Do I have to hold a gun to your head to get an answer? Christ. Answer here or answer in the recently made thread, I don't give a shit, just answer.
Insulting you? I'm just taking the next logical step.
Originally posted by leonidasWe know that Zoom can accelerate to light speed instantly (ie. he doesn't need to build up his speed for 'x' amount of time in order to achieve mass sufficient to strike with the force of Superman.) How do I know this? Because even when Wally was amped to the point where he could accelerate from 0 to c instantly, Zoom was still much, MUCH faster. We also know that Zoom can blitz an opponent with an onslaught of thousands (and in some cases, millions) of punches, before they even have a chance to react/defend -- he's done so to the likes of Flash, Superman, Powergirl, Hal, etc.
the question then becomes how many times can he hit? do we ALSO go by on panel feats here? because he has NEVER shown to be able to thrown multiple supes level blows on panel. so, do you think we stick to on panel in THIS case as well?
That being said, Zoom amalgamating the ability to instantly punch hard, with the ability to instantly punch fast, is a perfectly logical assumption of his powerset... Especially in a "no holding back" scenario. In fact, I think you'd be low-balling/neutering the shit out of him to assume he couldn't put 1 and 1 together.
Originally posted by SasuOna
Zoom could also just phase his hand into Odin's head as soon as the fight starts and rip his brain out before Odin even knows anything happened.
Nope, Odin has been stated to be omnipotent/all-powerful, superspeed is a power, which means that Odin is faster than Zoom. Odin never showing his true power is just CIS.
Good thing CIS is off for this fight.