Gaias arm was the target of the power however. Kratos seemed to get the burst of energy and of course, a titans army moving in agony launching him into the air.
I would not say Gaia is that durable piece per piece, since shes made up of rock, grass, trees, roots etc. I would say off hand without gauging it that Kratos is made of stronger stuff than that anyway, I think the fact Chronos could not splat him is testiment to that.
The poseidon creatures could smash through her with ease, yet Kratos could stop them from pushing down on him, therefore his strength is far higher, as is his durability because Gaia is strong enough to hold not only poseidons creatures but also his entire watery body against the cliff.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtHow isn't resisting lava a durability feat ? You do know lava instantly kills human beings right... you don't even seem to understand what durability even means.
You have played the games right? the game where we see Titans the size of skyscrapers who by sheer weight take more force than anyone in LoS, the one where Kratos falls miles down the chain of balance and simply lands on his feet in the underworld, the one where Titans fall miles down the mountain (despite their huge weight) and just climb back up again like Gaia, the one where....well, I have the evidence already. Your only counter is that being resistant to heat, e.g. lava>>>all that? 😆 its not even a durability feat. based on what? Kratos has taken far more force than Gabriel can use, the blade of Olmypus in the hands of zeus compared to a combat cross now? 🙄Not really, no, different powers and forces at work, he was not yet an Olmypian. Your playing on the fact he was just large...not when you realise Kratos has demolished foes that are Gods and Titans both by sheer strength and with the powers at his disposal, your throwing around titles and ignoring feats.
No, the fact he can take slams from Gods and Titans proves he is invulerable to what Gabriel has to offer. You missed the point other than that.
Show me, the best hades could possibly do was take his soul, even that was disproven when Kratos sort of pulled it back through some strength.
Well thats comic book logic by the sounds of it which is what your argueing from, this is not a CB its a game vs, you dont understand how blades work and the rest of your post proves this, keep bringing up "blades have not broke non him". You dont understand what blades do, or how pressure is calculated the same in all instances, its only surface area and strength that changes and in this case, Kratos has such a vast strength put on him, the surface area is more or less irrelevent.
Arguable because Zeus can stand blow for blow against Kratos suggesting that their close to the same level. Your also forgetting Zeus used the blade of Olmypus, a blade powerful enough to completly murder Titans and whole armies when used.
Go look up sharp objects and you may find out how their just a surface area to force, not a magical "certain to stab" option.
Kratos has survived due to skill and through the aid of others since he has died as well. Ares easily killed him and Zeus killed him as well. Kratos can die. Kratos has died. Trying to say Kratos is uber durable by the logic of he wins isn't logic at all. If I beat someone with a gun and don't get shot that doesn't mean bullets bounce off of my skin unless that happens. LOL.
No, I am not dismissing anything. You seem to be under the misinterpretation that since Kratos has more feats depowered than while a god that means he's more powerful. Kratos was powerful enough to kill gods at his normal self but was far more powerful in his giant size. It's common sense and we see what he can accomplish in giant form. Kratos at normal size can defeat the same enemies but through combat not by just punching or easily killing them with a swipe of his gigantic arm.
That doesn't prove he's invulnerable to sharp objects just like Thanos taking planetary explosions doesn't prove wolverine's claws can't cut him. It's fiction it doesn't all add up and since Kratos has been cut/killed at various points throughout the game without one single exception of a blade breaking against his skin the evidence is in my favor.
Hades can take his soul meaning kill him and though Kratos has to resist that shows he isn't immune. Kratos outfights these guys he isn't invulnerable to their attacks which is more evidence to my point. I'm right per the norm.
I've given examples in other works of fiction of greater forces being resisted yet the same character gets cut into by wolverine. The funny thing is Kratos is cut into by far less than cronos pressure yet you ignore that.
The blast used to wipe out the titans wasn't the same piercing attack used on Kratos. It easily cut him as did Ares easily kill him when he discovered pandora's box. Hades' weapon would have taken his soul had he not resisted. Kratos isn't invulnerable he has to outfight his opponents so he has to outfight Gabriel here to win.
Go look up what the word fiction means and realize fictional works don't have to make logical sense. Then when you understand that admit you're wrong and then beg for forgiveness. Gabriel wins. too powerful and too skilled to lose to Kratos.
Originally posted by quanchi112
How isn't resisting lava a durability feat ? You do know lava instantly kills human beings right... you don't even seem to understand what durability even means.Kratos has survived due to skill and through the aid of others since he has died as well. Ares easily killed him and Zeus killed him as well. Kratos can die. Kratos has died. Trying to say Kratos is uber durable by the logic of he wins isn't logic at all. If I beat someone with a gun and don't get shot that doesn't mean bullets bounce off of my skin unless that happens. LOL.
No, I am not dismissing anything. You seem to be under the misinterpretation that since Kratos has more feats depowered than while a god that means he's more powerful. Kratos was powerful enough to kill gods at his normal self but was far more powerful in his giant size. It's common sense and we see what he can accomplish in giant form. Kratos at normal size can defeat the same enemies but through combat not by just punching or easily killing them with a swipe of his gigantic arm.
That doesn't prove he's invulnerable to sharp objects just like Thanos taking planetary explosions doesn't prove wolverine's claws can't cut him. It's fiction it doesn't all add up and since Kratos has been cut/killed at various points throughout the game without one single exception of a blade breaking against his skin the evidence is in my favor.
Hades can take his soul meaning kill him and though Kratos has to resist that shows he isn't immune. Kratos outfights these guys he isn't invulnerable to their attacks which is more evidence to my point. I'm right per the norm.
I've given examples in other works of fiction of greater forces being resisted yet the same character gets cut into by wolverine. The funny thing is Kratos is cut into by far less than cronos pressure yet you ignore that.
The blast used to wipe out the titans wasn't the same piercing attack used on Kratos. It easily cut him as did Ares easily kill him when he discovered pandora's box. Hades' weapon would have taken his soul had he not resisted. Kratos isn't invulnerable he has to outfight his opponents so he has to outfight Gabriel here to win.
Go look up what the word fiction means and realize fictional works don't have to make logical sense. Then when you understand that admit you're wrong and then beg for forgiveness. Gabriel wins. too powerful and too skilled to lose to Kratos.
It burns/melts flesh. Its hardly the same, or even comparable to being struck, the way heat affects a body is different to the way a strike would.
Theres nothing to do with skill when hes being struck by all these things, how did skill save him from his body snapping like a dry twig when he fell miles into Olmypus and struck the underworld floor? I never said that, your the one claiming this, I said because Kratos has actually taken strikes, then he can take equel force. If those bullets bounced off your skin, then you would be showing a feat, just like Kratos has concerning pressure against Chronos, Hepheastus, Poseidon and a host of other monsters and Gods.
Of course it means hes more powerful, hes crushed Gods since being depowered, he defeated a single God when powered by Pandoras box. Since being depowered Kratos has shown far more strength and durability. He does not have to swipe with his "gigantic arm" when he has a small one thats stronger by feats.
Again, you dont understand sharp objects or pressure, saying "its fiction" is not a counter to my evidence. You dont have any evidence, infact there is not a single website or video posted by you in this thread iirc.
Clearly not because he failed to do so, I never said he was immune to soul powers, which Gabriel has none. Your ignoring evidence per the norm.
"other works of fiction" do not have any account in this thread. When? show me?
Its a lot of power contained within the blade, with a God of similiar strength to Kratos wielding it. Give Gabriel the BoO and Zeus' strength and he may be able to at least give Kratos a worthy fight...maybe. 😆 gabriel is not comparable to a spear launched halfway across the world by ares or Zeus wielding the BoO, show us some feats to prove your wild claims.
Go look up rules in threads, characters can take the powers they have displayed and use them from the games. Gabriel has no feats compared to Kratos, simple fact. You talking bullshit about how fiction is not reality does not counter the fact Gabriel under the same fictional rules has far worse feats. Gabriel may as well be a child with a wood pole for all Kratos cares.
the tempture of Lava is between 1300-2400 fahrenheit, not nearly enough to melt steel or boil it for that matter. of course that is hot enough to turn a human body to ashes. however the tempture of lava is much, much lower then the tempture of the Sun's core
Originally posted by unrealmanSo you agree resisting it is a tremendous feat and to which I agree.
the tempture of Lava is between 1300-2400 fahrenheit, not nearly enough to melt steel or boil it for that matter. of course that is hot enough to turn a human body to ashes. however the tempture of lava is much, much lower then the tempture of the Sun's core
Originally posted by Burning thoughtTo say resisting lava to the point it has no effect is an awesome feat for one's body. Human beings can't survive immersed in lava and will be completely destroyed whereas the Forgotten One can skinny dip in it.
It burns/melts flesh. Its hardly the same, or even comparable to being struck, the way heat affects a body is different to the way a strike would.Theres nothing to do with skill when hes being struck by all these things, how did skill save him from his body snapping like a dry twig when he fell miles into Olmypus and struck the underworld floor? I never said that, your the one claiming this, I said because Kratos has actually taken strikes, then he can take equel force. If those bullets bounced off your skin, then you would be showing a feat, just like Kratos has concerning pressure against Chronos, Hepheastus, Poseidon and a host of other monsters and Gods.
Of course it means hes more powerful, hes crushed Gods since being depowered, he defeated a single God when powered by Pandoras box. Since being depowered Kratos has shown far more strength and durability. He does not have to swipe with his "gigantic arm" when he has a small one thats stronger by feats.
Again, you dont understand sharp objects or pressure, saying "its fiction" is not a counter to my evidence. You dont have any evidence, infact there is not a single website or video posted by you in this thread iirc.
Clearly not because he failed to do so, I never said he was immune to soul powers, which Gabriel has none. Your ignoring evidence per the norm.
"other works of fiction" do not have any account in this thread. When? show me?
Its a lot of power contained within the blade, with a God of similiar strength to Kratos wielding it. Give Gabriel the BoO and Zeus' strength and he may be able to at least give Kratos a worthy fight...maybe. 😆 [b]gabriel is not comparable to a spear launched halfway across the world by ares or Zeus wielding the BoO, show us some feats to prove your wild claims
.Go look up rules in threads, characters can take the powers they have displayed and use them from the games. Gabriel has no feats compared to Kratos, simple fact. You talking bullshit about how fiction is not reality does not counter the fact Gabriel under the same fictional rules has far worse feats. Gabriel may as well be a child with a wood pole for all Kratos cares. [/B]
Kratos was barely alive and was saved yet again. That's pressure resistance not sword resisting feats. If a splinter can cut into my skin and yet a human can't with a straight punch does that mean the splinter exhibited more force ?
Yes, Kratos has beaten gods while depowered so it shows he can is powerful enough to outfight them not that he's more powerful in this state than the size of Ares. You basically say feats>>>everything and say screw common sense the guy had more feats. By your logic if someone gained unlimited power and didn't show any impressive feats than prior to obtaining unlimited power then he's greater before the upgrade. Your logic makes no sense.
It's common sense. If someone punches me it's far more pressure yet I might not bleed yet a splinter can cut into my skin wit far less pressure. How don't you understand this ?
He failed to do so because he resisted but had he not outfought him he would have had his soul taken showing he isn't immune.
Yes, they do and common sense also laughs at your logic. You act as if everything lines up perfectly in the gow universe to reality and ignore the whole game where everyone less than Cronos can hurt Kratos.
You have no proof to suggest it takes Zeus' strength which really there aren't any feats of. His impressive feats are in giant form or with the power of the sword.
Gabriel rips him in half. He did so against a character with unlimited power easily and does so here. Look I used a feat. Gabriel wins.
my vote is still with Kartos as he has been to Tartarus, which is pretty much the lowest point on earth in Greek Mythology.
http://www.ehow.com/about_4660925_temperature-center-earth.html
Originally posted by quanchi112
To say resisting lava to the point it has no effect is an awesome feat for one's body. Human beings can't survive immersed in lava and will be completely destroyed whereas the Forgotten One can skinny dip in it.Kratos was barely alive and was saved yet again. That's pressure resistance not sword resisting feats. If a splinter can cut into my skin and yet a human can't with a straight punch does that mean the splinter exhibited more force ?
Yes, Kratos has beaten gods while depowered so it shows he can is powerful enough to outfight them not that he's more powerful in this state than the size of Ares. You basically say feats>>>everything and say screw common sense the guy had more feats. By your logic if someone gained unlimited power and didn't show any impressive feats than prior to obtaining unlimited power then he's greater before the upgrade. Your logic makes no sense.
It's common sense. If someone punches me it's far more pressure yet I might not bleed yet a splinter can cut into my skin wit far less pressure. How don't you understand this ?
He failed to do so because he resisted but had he not outfought him he would have had his soul taken showing he isn't immune.
Yes, they do and common sense also laughs at your logic. You act as if everything lines up perfectly in the gow universe to reality and ignore the whole game where everyone less than Cronos can hurt Kratos.
You have no proof to suggest it takes Zeus' strength which really there aren't any feats of. His impressive feats are in giant form or with the power of the sword.
Gabriel rips him in half. He did so against a character with unlimited power easily and does so here. Look I used a feat. Gabriel wins.
Were talking human beings here apart from maybe Gabriel, Kratos has shown resistant to forces far greater. As unreal has pointed out, lava cannot even melt steel naturally.
😐 , Kratos got up fine and smashed Onyx stone to release the chain of blaance, we playing the same game? seems your playing one where Kratos is a normal human. Same thing, you dont understand what your saying, all forces, including punches create pressure, swords creature more pressure than a human punch (when wielded by a human). Across the surface area yes it did, if you take a pin and shove it into a piece of wood you can push it fairly deep but if you punch the same chunk of wood or hit it, your more likely to make your fingers bleed or throb with pain, its called PSI and force is higher if you focus on smaller areas.
Your saying "size">>>everything, concerning a game where a tiny man fights through giant monsters every scene we see him in (almost). What your bringing up is not common sense, your trying to claim things that dont even make sense within the universe. Thats the forums logic as well, because A: unlimited power is hyperbole and B: without feats, its just a claim so unless it was word of God, it would not even get to the first step of being called hyperbole it would simply be discounted. Finally, Kratos did not gain unlimited power so your comparison is poor.
Thats not common sense, thats your claim. A punch over the area of your body is spreading force in a larger area because a fist is large compared to a splinter, a splinter only has to break a tiny area of the human skin. Kratos, has an enormous resistance across his skin, because just on his hands (or whever the hand of Chronos hit assuming Kraots did not put his hands up straight away) he held tens if not hundreds of thousands of tons.
Read my post again, never said he was immune to soul powers.
Again no, only your ignorance of physics and the games in this thread are laughing but you are doing so alone. The whole game shows us what I am claiming, I gave more examples than Chronos, Poseidon, Hephaustus, Zeus etc.
Its a feat that he can go hand to hand with Kratos for the majority, thats an incredible feat, more than Gabriel can say.
What with his newly gained Chronos strength? show me his strength 😆 and thats not a feat, thats a claim based on a no limit fallacy.
Originally posted by unrealman
my vote is still with Kartos as he has been to Tartarus, which is pretty much the lowest point on earth in Greek Mythology.http://www.ehow.com/about_4660925_temperature-center-earth.html
To be fair its not the centre of the Earth, the underworld is under the long stretch of land that makes up the Greek "world", with Tartarus being under that. Its not necesserily hot down there either, thats more "christian" or "dantes epic" hell if i am not mistaken, in Hades you have rivers, stone structures etc and the normal skeletons/creatures of hades roam the land. Most of the people are just slim, stretched skin frames walking aimlessly.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtSo what ? Lava cannot hurt the Unforgotten One yet Gabriel kills him. That to me proves someone with unlimited power and lava resistant skin can be felled by Gabriel's awesome might.
Were talking human beings here apart from maybe Gabriel, Kratos has shown resistant to forces far greater. As unreal has pointed out, lava cannot even melt steel naturally.😐 , Kratos got up fine and smashed Onyx stone to release the chain of blaance, we playing the same game? seems your playing one where Kratos is a normal human. Same thing, you dont understand what your saying, all forces, including punches create pressure, swords creature more pressure than a human punch (when wielded by a human). Across the surface area yes it did, if you take a pin and shove it into a piece of wood you can push it fairly deep but if you punch the same chunk of wood or hit it, your more likely to make your fingers bleed or throb with pain, its called PSI and force is higher if you focus on smaller areas.
Your saying "size">>>everything, concerning a game where a tiny man fights through giant monsters every scene we see him in (almost). What your bringing up is not common sense, your trying to claim things that dont even make sense within the universe. Thats the forums logic as well, because A: unlimited power is hyperbole and B: without feats, its just a claim so unless it was word of God, it would not even get to the first step of being called hyperbole it would simply be discounted. Finally, Kratos did not gain unlimited power so your comparison is poor.
Thats not common sense, thats your claim. A punch over the area of your body is spreading force in a larger area because a fist is large compared to a splinter, a splinter only has to break a tiny area of the human skin. Kratos, has an enormous resistance across his skin, because just on his hands (or whever the hand of Chronos hit assuming Kraots did not put his hands up straight away) he held tens if not hundreds of thousands of tons.
Read my post again, never said he was immune to soul powers.
Again no, only your ignorance of physics and the games in this thread are laughing but you are doing so alone. The whole game shows us what I am claiming, I gave more examples than Chronos, Poseidon, Hephaustus, Zeus etc.
Its a feat that he can go hand to hand with Kratos for the majority, thats an incredible feat, more than Gabriel can say.
What with his newly gained Chronos strength? show me his strength 😆 and thats not a feat, thats a claim based on a no limit fallacy.
To be fair its not the centre of the Earth, the underworld is under the long stretch of land that makes up the Greek "world", with Tartarus being under that. Its not necesserily hot down there either, thats more "christian" or "dantes epic" hell if i am not mistaken, in Hades you have rivers, stone structures etc and the normal skeletons/creatures of hades roam the land. Most of the people are just slim, stretched skin frames walking aimlessly.
Kratos was limping and was saved by Athena. Don't act as if he wasn't. I do know what I am talking about whereas these desperate fictional points here which don't add up logically is all you have. You also can't prove Kratos can resist swords since he's cut throughout the game in canon and throughout game play. I have actual evidence he can be cut you have zero to prove his skin can resist blades or any other sharp pointy object.
No, I'm not saying size is greater than everything I am saying Kratos when fully powered like a god is greater than Kratos without this power. Your logic states feats>>>>>without feats despite implied power and portrayal. It's silly.
My comparison isn't poor because unlimited power has nothing to do with it. The point is Kratos becomes more powerful than on average and just because he doesn't stay upgraded long that doesn't mean since he has more feats epowered he's greater than amped. It's silly. You really can't see your own logic whereas I can.
Yes, a sword has to cut through a vastly smaller area then a hand that is trying to destroy his entire body which is resisting. Thanks for agreeing with me.
Then you bringing it up is irrelevant since resisting doesn't mean immune.
In all those instances Kratos can be hurt but since he doesn't die that doesn't mean gabriel can't hurt him since all of these characters had the strength/power to do so.
Gabriel went past Kratos in the dlc. Even prior to it I'd say gabriel can definitely hold his own and skill would be the determining factor here but post dlc gabriel is too powerful here.
The game makes it clear the guy has the power to solo earth so his power is up there based off of his lava resisting feats, the power to completely disintegrate gabriel, the power to break through gigantic mechanisms, and swing huge pillars into stuff speaks for itself. The guys' power is soveriegn in his entire dimension and it took the three lords of shadow just to bind him yet Gabriel easily destroys him at the end.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So what ? Lava cannot hurt the Unforgotten One yet Gabriel kills him. That to me proves someone with unlimited power and lava resistant skin can be felled by Gabriel's awesome might.Kratos was limping and was saved by Athena. Don't act as if he wasn't. I do know what I am talking about whereas these desperate fictional points here which don't add up logically is all you have. You also can't prove Kratos can resist swords since he's cut throughout the game in canon and throughout game play. I have actual evidence he can be cut you have zero to prove his skin can resist blades or any other sharp pointy object.
No, I'm not saying size is greater than everything I am saying Kratos when fully powered like a god is greater than Kratos without this power. Your logic states feats>>>>>without feats despite implied power and portrayal. It's silly.
My comparison isn't poor because unlimited power has nothing to do with it. The point is Kratos becomes more powerful than on average and just because he doesn't stay upgraded long that doesn't mean since he has more feats epowered he's greater than amped. It's silly. You really can't see your own logic whereas I can.
Yes, a sword has to cut through a vastly smaller area then a hand that is trying to destroy his entire body which is resisting. Thanks for agreeing with me.
Then you bringing it up is irrelevant since resisting doesn't mean immune.
In all those instances Kratos can be hurt but since he doesn't die that doesn't mean gabriel can't hurt him since all of these characters had the strength/power to do so.
Gabriel went past Kratos in the dlc. Even prior to it I'd say gabriel can definitely hold his own and skill would be the determining factor here but post dlc gabriel is too powerful here.
The game makes it clear the guy has the power to solo earth so his power is up there based off of his lava resisting feats, the power to completely disintegrate gabriel, the power to break through gigantic mechanisms, and swing huge pillars into stuff speaks for itself. The guys' power is soveriegn in his entire dimension and it took the three lords of shadow just to bind him yet Gabriel easily destroys him at the end.
The forgotten ones best feat that you can bring up is it cannot be burned/melted by something that cannot even melt steel.
GoW 3, Athena is dead. Were talking about fiction there for fictional points is what is important, feats and logical reasoning in science like physics, they all aid me, wheras you have complaints of how lava is so impressive. No you dont, show me this evidence.
Implied power? 😆 , since when does an actual feat get beaten by an implication? we see something on screen but you think implications are more important? your logic is clearly in disarray.
Your saying Kratos was stronger as an Olympian despite all his feats were was perhaps punching a building yet Kratos depowered rips apart Olympians and Titans with ease, my logic stands strong and has evidence and feats supporting it, you have nothing but your belief that its implied less powerful despite what we see...
Only this is where your argument falls flat, the PSI strength of say, a man with a knife would only be measured in pounds per square inch rather than, tons per square inch if not thousands of tons per square inch like Chronos' strength.
When has Gabriel ever used soul powers? never...
Weve seen what the Titans, Hephaustus' and Poseidons strength did to Kratos, nothing he just grabs their limbs or takes the blow and repels it.
Gabriel is at the level of beating a 15 foot dude who can resist lava while Kratos at the same time is beating, taking direct blows etc from a mile tall dude who weighs thousands of tons. I laugh at your daft comparison of what you think gives Gabriel the reason to "surpass" kratos.
Hes not done it, and your claims mean nothing here, your best claims being brought up is lava resisting (weaker than steel breaking), swing huge pillars but I bet these pillars are not a mile tall like Chronos. What your doing is equivalent to mentioning a child who can toss around thin tree branches and saying its impressive compared to a truck carrying and manipulating whole oak trees in the back of its load....stop making ridiculous claims without proof.
I haven't played the DLC for Castlevania (are there no Trophies? I still have 100% completion on my psn profile for the game), but I still think Gabriel would win. He has better combos and better powers. Fully upgraded at the end of the game he is almost unbeatable, ultimate light and ultimate shadow will even heal him from any damage he takes... plus in the context of the story isn't he completely immortal after the events of the game? Kratos dies all the time, he just comes back because luckily for him Hades has an open door policy for anyone even mildly talented at platforming.
He didn't need to do anything. Not everything needs feats. It's blatantly obvious Gods in this series have more powers than Demi-Gods. Common sense would tell anybody this.
Do you honestly think he would be the same strength and durability when human sized compared when he's the size of a 300 foot tower? Because that would take a very special type of knucklehead to honestly believe that.
From what I recall, the ground was shaking just by him walking around.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtThat isn't his best feat that to me shows the in a real world type way the durability of his skin that this level of heat wouldn't even affect him in the slightest yet completely kill Gabriel. This is actually a perfect example since despite lava being able to kill Gabriel and not having an effect on Unforgotten One that Gabriel still has the strength to hurt and later easily kill him.
The forgotten ones best feat that you can bring up is it cannot be burned/melted by something that cannot even melt steel.GoW 3, Athena is dead. Were talking about fiction there for fictional points is what is important, feats and logical reasoning in science like physics, they all aid me, wheras you have complaints of how lava is so impressive. No you dont, show me this evidence.
Implied power? 😆 , since when does an actual feat get beaten by an implication? we see something on screen but you think implications are more important? your logic is clearly in disarray.
Your saying Kratos was stronger as an Olympian despite all his feats were was perhaps punching a building yet Kratos depowered rips apart Olympians and Titans with ease, my logic stands strong and has evidence and feats supporting it, you have nothing but your belief that its implied less powerful despite what we see...
Only this is where your argument falls flat, the PSI strength of say, a man with a knife would only be measured in pounds per square inch rather than, tons per square inch if not thousands of tons per square inch like Chronos' strength.
When has Gabriel ever used soul powers? never...
Weve seen what the Titans, Hephaustus' and Poseidons strength did to Kratos, nothing he just grabs their limbs or takes the blow and repels it.
Gabriel is at the level of beating a 15 foot dude who can resist lava while Kratos at the same time is beating, taking direct blows etc from a mile tall dude who weighs thousands of tons. I laugh at your daft comparison of what you think gives Gabriel the reason to "surpass" kratos.
Hes not done it, and your claims mean nothing here, your best claims being brought up is lava resisting (weaker than steel breaking), swing huge pillars but I bet these pillars are not a mile tall like Chronos. What your doing is equivalent to mentioning a child who can toss around thin tree branches and saying its impressive compared to a truck carrying and manipulating whole oak trees in the back of its load....stop making ridiculous claims without proof.
Athena is dead but she has transcended and thus can still interact on this plane of existence. Falling from these heights doesn't prove swords can't cut him. Where do you see the connection ?
The Unforgotten One can disintegrate gabriel is he sees him and like I said has impressive feats of strength traveling through the level. Implied power is off the charts.
We don't see Kratos fight more than one god other than Ares in amped mode. To suggest he can't kill the other gods while more powerful is ridiculous. The horrendous thing is you fully stand by this logic which doesn't make one bit of sense. Kratos was more powerful and the game makes it clear but when he loses his power he is still powerful enough to kill the gods and such. What you say makes no sense and ignores the portrayal in favor of some nonsensical feat logic.
No, it doesn't fail since Kratos resisting a short attempt at his life briefly. He's also been cut by far smaller foes with nowhere near the strength of Cronos. The point is you have no feats to which he is immune to swords piercing him.
I never said Gabriel beats him in this fashion I just used your own example against you. Like every god he battles he outfights them that's why he wins. He'd have to outfight Gabriel to win he can't withstand his attacks and isn't immune to them just like Hades or any other boss he comes into contact with.
Kratos runs away from Cronos and doesn't directly take him on. Just like Gabriel does against the Titans who are far taller than fifteen fight and the dragon titan is enormous as well. Gabriel has the strength to hurt the same pressure points Kratos attacked on Cronos.
It's implied he is and the game makes it very clear. We don't necessarily know how he'd achieve it but we do know his power is greater than practically anyone else in the game save Gabriel after he absorbs it and satan. The point is the Unforgotten One was powerful enough for the three lords to only bind they didn't have the power to kill him yet Gabriel does which shows you how powerful he is by the end of this.
I am like a Cronos to a bee yet a bee can still pierce my skin. Gabriel can pierce Cronos and Kratos. You need to show examples of him resisting pointy objects if it's a claim you make as abc comparisons fall far short.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't his best feat that to me shows the in a real world type way the durability of his skin that this level of heat wouldn't even affect him in the slightest yet completely kill Gabriel. This is actually a perfect example since despite lava being able to kill Gabriel and not having an effect on Unforgotten One that Gabriel still has the strength to hurt and later easily kill him.Athena is dead but she has transcended and thus can still interact on this plane of existence. Falling from these heights doesn't prove swords can't cut him. Where do you see the connection ?
The Unforgotten One can disintegrate gabriel is he sees him and like I said has impressive feats of strength traveling through the level. Implied power is off the charts.
We don't see Kratos fight more than one god other than Ares in amped mode. To suggest he can't kill the other gods while more powerful is ridiculous. The horrendous thing is you fully stand by this logic which doesn't make one bit of sense. Kratos was more powerful and the game makes it clear but when he loses his power he is still powerful enough to kill the gods and such. What you say makes no sense and ignores the portrayal in favor of some nonsensical feat logic.
No, it doesn't fail since Kratos resisting a short attempt at his life briefly. He's also been cut by far smaller foes with nowhere near the strength of Cronos. The point is you have no feats to which he is immune to swords piercing him.
I never said Gabriel beats him in this fashion I just used your own example against you. Like every god he battles he outfights them that's why he wins. He'd have to outfight Gabriel to win he can't withstand his attacks and isn't immune to them just like Hades or any other boss he comes into contact with.
Kratos runs away from Cronos and doesn't directly take him on. Just like Gabriel does against the Titans who are far taller than fifteen fight and the dragon titan is enormous as well. Gabriel has the strength to hurt the same pressure points Kratos attacked on Cronos.
It's implied he is and the game makes it very clear. We don't necessarily know how he'd achieve it but we do know his power is greater than practically anyone else in the game save Gabriel after he absorbs it and satan. The point is the Unforgotten One was powerful enough for the three lords to only bind they didn't have the power to kill him yet Gabriel does which shows you how powerful he is by the end of this.
I am like a Cronos to a bee yet a bee can still pierce my skin. Gabriel can pierce Cronos and Kratos. You need to show examples of him resisting pointy objects if it's a claim you make as abc comparisons fall far short.
Its a good example of how a man can possibly defeat something that has less durable skin than steel....thats about it.
PSI force, the force of striking the ground from 2/3 miles>>a human with a sword.
Not really, smashing a few pillars and disitegrating a man? hardly impressive...
I never said he cannot kill the other Gods although I am sure some of them would be harder to fight at such a size. How does the game make it clear? more powerful than GoW 1 Kratos perhaps, but in GoW 2 and 3, he displays far more power, gains the power of Titans rather than the Gods and proceeds to stomp even more, with better feats.
You did not counter my claim there, show me evidence of Kratos being cut.
Hes not completly immune to Hades soul devouring, but Gabriel has no such thing. My example consists of physical arguments, not spiritual.
Your talking nonsesne and setting up red herrings, its irrelevent who could beat Chronos although if the exact situations happened, Gabriel would be dead at the beginning because he could not stop Chronos' fingers squishing him.
You do realise the 3 lords are weak? assuming your talking about whats essentially a werewolf, vampire whos pretty much just a giant bat (or a harpy?) and an old Necromancer whos best feat was raising the Dragon from the dead, that does not help him here...
What if you held that bee in your hand and took all your strength to smack it dead but it just pushed your hand up and flew away? thats Kratos..only Kratos is closer to an ant in size, some bees are pretty fat and can almost fit in your palm. "pointy objects" 😆 , pressure of a mans sword<<<<pressure of a skyscraper punching you.
Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
He didn't need to do anything. Not everything needs feats. It's blatantly obvious Gods in this series have more powers than Demi-Gods. Common sense would tell anybody this.Do you honestly think he would be the same strength and durability when human sized compared when he's the size of a 300 foot tower? Because that would take a very special type of knucklehead to honestly believe that.
From what I recall, the ground was shaking just by him walking around.
You say that, then we look at GoW 3 and see a Demi-God pulling a Gods head off as he struggles, squeezing anothers eyes out like Jelly, completly obliterating a Titan, etc etc etc, you overhype the titles of Gods and despite the source material toss around "size" as if it matters.
I think it would take a special type of knucklehead to belive physical size was important in a game where one of the smallest, human sized characters can knock about those "tower sized" enemies with ease. I think being an Olympian has some perks, but I dont think Kratos' strength scales with his size, I dont think his size has anything to do with his strength unless yu think somehow his tiny frame has millions of muslces humans dont have or something? thats a hellava lot of claims.
Maybe thats because hes 300 feet tall?
Originally posted by Burning thoughtNot a man and supernaturally strong man. It shows that even someone who is a lot more durable than Gabriel can be beaten due to gabriel's skill,strength, and later increased power.
Its a good example of how a man can possibly defeat something that has less durable skin than steel....thats about it.PSI force, the force of striking the ground from 2/3 miles>>a human with a sword.
Not really, smashing a few pillars and disitegrating a man? hardly impressive...
I never said he cannot kill the other Gods although I am sure some of them would be harder to fight at such a size. How does the game make it clear? more powerful than GoW 1 Kratos perhaps, but in GoW 2 and 3, he displays far more power, gains the power of Titans rather than the Gods and proceeds to stomp even more, with better feats.
You did not counter my claim there, show me evidence of Kratos being cut.
Hes not completly immune to Hades soul devouring, but Gabriel has no such thing. My example consists of physical arguments, not spiritual.
Your talking nonsesne and setting up red herrings, its irrelevent who could beat Chronos although if the exact situations happened, Gabriel would be dead at the beginning because he could not stop Chronos' fingers squishing him.
You do realise the 3 lords are weak? assuming your talking about whats essentially a werewolf, vampire whos pretty much just a giant bat (or a harpy?) and an old Necromancer whos best feat was raising the Dragon from the dead, that does not help him here...
What if you held that bee in your hand and took all your strength to smack it dead but it just pushed your hand up and flew away? thats Kratos..only Kratos is closer to an ant in size, some bees are pretty fat and can almost fit in your palm. "pointy objects" 😆 , pressure of a mans sword<<<<pressure of a skyscraper punching you.
You say that, then we look at GoW 3 and see a Demi-God pulling a Gods head off as he struggles, squeezing anothers eyes out like Jelly, completly obliterating a Titan, etc etc etc, you overhype the titles of Gods and despite the source material toss around "size" as if it matters.
I think it would take a special type of knucklehead to belive physical size was important in a game where one of the smallest, human sized characters can knock about those "tower sized" enemies with ease. I think being an Olympian has some perks, but I dont think Kratos' strength scales with his size, I dont think his size has anything to do with his strength unless yu think somehow his tiny frame has millions of muslces humans dont have or something? thats a hellava lot of claims.
Maybe thats because hes 300 feet tall?
It is abc logic to prove your point you'd need evidence to suggest those times Kratos was stabbed or pierced don't count. You don't so it's abc logic.
It is impressive when we consider who that man is what he has just done. No one else in the game could easily disintegrate him. That to me shows a huge power to be able to do so considering what Gabriel has been up against it.
Kratos loses his power in gow 2 and it states it plain as day. He was more powerful in gow at the end and in gow 2 but still powerful enough to beat gods and injure Titans through avoiding them and hitting certain spots.
Zeus cuts him and kills him as does Ares. That's two examples of him not only being cut but dying. At the end of gow2 Kratos also gets killed if Zeus cuts him. It's a perfect example of Kratos having to outfight Zeus which is my entire point. Kratos isn't a guy who laughs off attacks he needs to outfight someone to beat them.
Physically Kratos has been killed or affected and I just gave three examples. You have zero claiming he is invulnerable to sword attacks.
Gabriel could avoid them altogether and I kinda think he could. I think Gabriel has the strength to momentarily resist as well though he doesn't have Helios' head to blind Cronos for a second he's have to do something else to be avoided. It's all irrelevant to these two squaring up and is abc logic.
They weren't just werewolves, vampires, or a plain old necromancer. We see that Cornell is the strongest of them and how physically imposing he is. We see all of them resist a lot of damage before being killed by Gabriel. We see carmilla survive being staked on a castle. That's impressive since Kratos has been killed by being stabbed in this manner. You don't get to fight against Zobek but the guy survives death itself and had magical powers at his leisure which involved freezing your opponent and killing them.
Kratos resisted for a moment which doesn't translate into into skyscraper strength. I can resist 145 pounds on my chest for only so long despite me being able to lift much more. This feat while impressive doesn't prove much and override the rest of the game.
Kratos can be hurt by swords and outright killed which has happened before. Gabriel can pierce and kill him. Who outfights the other wins.This is usually the case if people understand the game that is.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not a man and supernaturally strong man. It shows that even someone who is a lot more durable than Gabriel can be beaten due to gabriel's skill,strength, and later increased power.It is abc logic to prove your point you'd need evidence to suggest those times Kratos was stabbed or pierced don't count. You don't so it's abc logic.
It is impressive when we consider who that man is what he has just done. No one else in the game could easily disintegrate him. That to me shows a huge power to be able to do so considering what Gabriel has been up against it.
Kratos loses his power in gow 2 and it states it plain as day. He was more powerful in gow at the end and in gow 2 but still powerful enough to beat gods and injure Titans through avoiding them and hitting certain spots.
Zeus cuts him and kills him as does Ares. That's two examples of him not only being cut but dying. At the end of gow2 Kratos also gets killed if Zeus cuts him. It's a perfect example of Kratos having to outfight Zeus which is my entire point. Kratos isn't a guy who laughs off attacks he needs to outfight someone to beat them.
Physically Kratos has been killed or affected and I just gave three examples. You have zero claiming he is invulnerable to sword attacks.
Gabriel could avoid them altogether and I kinda think he could. I think Gabriel has the strength to momentarily resist as well though he doesn't have Helios' head to blind Cronos for a second he's have to do something else to be avoided. It's all irrelevant to these two squaring up and is abc logic.
They weren't just werewolves, vampires, or a plain old necromancer. We see that Cornell is the strongest of them and how physically imposing he is. We see all of them resist a lot of damage before being killed by Gabriel. We see carmilla survive being staked on a castle. That's impressive since Kratos has been killed by being stabbed in this manner. You don't get to fight against Zobek but the guy survives death itself and had magical powers at his leisure which involved freezing your opponent and killing them.
Kratos resisted for a moment which doesn't translate into into skyscraper strength. I can resist 145 pounds on my chest for only so long despite me being able to lift much more. This feat while impressive doesn't prove much and override the rest of the game.
Kratos can be hurt by swords and outright killed which has happened before. Gabriel can pierce and kill him. Who outfights the other wins.This is usually the case if people understand the game that is.
But unlike Kratos he was not invulnerable to Gabriels attacks.
Kratos was never stabbed by anyone as weak as Gabriel or with a weapon as simple as a combat cross. Kratos has a feat, and its better than Gabriels, simple.
What Gabriel has done has nothing to do with durability though.
Kratos goes from using Olmypian power and gains power from the Titans, his following feats being far greater than previous ones.
Zeus and Ares are at least as strong as kratos, and this was before Kratos had the power of the Titans anyway, before GoW 3. Gabriel has no strength to compare him to Zeus. He laughed off all the attacsk I mentioned, lets repeat them again; hephaeustus hammer, Poseidon crab horse creatures who could pull Titans, Chronos...
I have 3 claiming he is invulerable to something vastly stronger than a man with a sword, you have two where Gods at least equel to his strength at the time using godly weapons can cut him before his Titan power boost.
All this "avoid", but you cannot admit straight that Gabriel would be dead if the same happened to him, hes not strong enough. 😆 what basis do you have that Gabriel can resist for any time someone as strong as Chronos? absolutly nothing....
You cant try and fool me this time as I have played it, Cornell has no real feats to compare to Kratos or anything of note. I like how you miss out the fact that Kratos was not staked on a church steeple but was impaled by a spear tossed by the God of war from miles away...
"for a moment", he lifted it up after it could not damage him, it gives him strength equel to at least Chronos' arm which is greater than anything in strength and durability than Gabriel has ever done.
Well clearly you dont understand either of the games since you think Gabriel and a combat cross=Zeus, king of the gods wielding the blade that ended a titanic war, the difference in power that is required to kill Kratos who btw was probably at his weakest unlike now and what Gabriel has at his disposal is vast.