Gabriel Belmont vs. Kratos

Originally posted by BloodRain
Though when he lost his god powers his physical stats returned to what they were. His body is probably stronger by 3 but I dont get how it increases in the short span from the begining of 2 to 3.

Not necessarily. After he lost his god powers, he still had enough strength to put up some form of resistance against Zeus' attempt to stab him. I doubt he could have done that in 1...based on feats.
My best guess (right now) is that Rage of the Titans helped increase his base form stats, even when inactive. Alternatively, his physical stats, specifically strength, didn't really increase by a dramatic amount throughout 2.

Originally posted by BloodRain
@You two: Well it is concept, so it does show the intent of what they wanted. Even the placements right, below the Island of creation thats at the edge of the world. Also saw a line saying the world would fall into chaos, not the whole thing literally falling.. but not bothered to serch for the script.
If Zues' quote about his mounting raising up then that large part in the pic would be its base and taking the bulk of the load with Atlas at the edge.

It shows the artist's intent and vision during development, not the devs final decision and overall portrayal. I see various concept arts of Dante's Devil Trigger in the DMC4 artbook. That does not mean all of them are viable.
Now the realm of Hades portion of the Underworld shown in 3 does look a lot like the concept art, but again, not all of the Underworld is shown in GoW 3, or in that artwork. There was this weird solid-looking smoke around Atlas' feet in GoW 2 as well, which blocked the bottom of the area from view. In addition, the figure that is supposed to be Atlas looks a heck of a lot smaller than the Three Judges, as well as the figure that is supposed to be Cronos (on its knees)

The Island of Creation is separated from the rest of the World by a vast ocean, with massive god-sized Horses right before it, a gigantic Spire in the center of the Island, and an ocean around it. Mount Olympus is also not visible from the Island, and it is likely the tallest structure in the GoW World. In other words, the Island of Creation isn't shown on that concept art, which means that what we're seeing in the art isn't close to the entirety of the GoW World.

There was also line about Olympus being destroyed, the same mountain that was far away from where Atlas was: "With the power of the Sun in his hands, it is only a matter of time before he destroys the Pillar that holds the World, and Olympus with it."
Said line is also about the Pillar holding the World i.e. the entire weight of the World was on the Pillar.

There was a line about how Kratos' choice to be with Calliope would bring about the End of the World: "To stay with his daughter meant the end of the World and the end of her."

There was also a line about Atlas holding the World on his shoulders: "The mighty Atlas was left enchained, cursed to forever hold the World on his shoulders."

Originally posted by BloodRain
And about that <10^22, shouldnt the figue come from the part of the GoW 'world' he's lifting?

Same world as ours, just a different view on its structure. Atlas is still lifting most if not all, of the GoW World.

~ Yeah, I type a lot. Sue me estahuh

So he's holding the place up from the very edge?

How the hell is he doing that?

Not the very edge, but close to it.

Also, I take it you are convinced that the GoW World is flat?

I hadn't seen that picture but yes I am.

I think at one point the developers meant for it to be round but then changed that.

and he shouldn't cause the combat cross was specifically made to defend against creatures of the night such as vampires. so Drac Gab wouldn't necessary won't to carrying around a weapon ,that could potentially use against him. which is mostly likey why he broke the combat cross so that it couldn't be use against him. in fact since Drac Gab is a vampire that makes him vulnerable to divine / holy objects and weapons

Originally posted by Burning thought
I dont, that my little ignorant buddy is called the burden of proof, I dont have to disprove/prove a negative claim. You have to prove he can. Look up concession, you cant take anything as a concession until I actually concede, considering you have zero evidence and ignorant of physics and the source material were supposed to be discussing thats not likely to happen. I suggest you thank me for the time I have wasted trying to teach you.

I will await for your [b]video/official document evidence to counter the following:

-Chronos, Hephaustus, unarmed Zeus, Poseidon and pretty much any GoW opponent of note not strong enough to harm Kratos, they are all>>>>Gabriels feats therefore Gabriel cannot hurt him.

-Kratos has the strength to defeat their strength therefore his strength being in the thousands of tons give him an edge easily.

-His weapons cannot be dodged so easily, the hades claws can cover him with their attack, the blades of Chaos being chains strike a large area. Kratos also has a lot of powers, like Atlas quake, Helios head, medusas head that can ruin Gabriels chances of even making this fight worth having.,

Your ignorance of the source material means you should not really make these kinds of threads, especially when you dont really want to debate them, you just want to make claims, thats not a debate. [/B]

If you played through the game it isn't necessary. Why post videos you claim to have played through. I already have given examples anyways so you wanting a youtube video when you claim to have played through the game is a waste of time unless you admit your mind forgets everything. Admit it to me.

These gods don't all have superior feats to Gabriel. The funny thing is you actually believe hephaestus would crush Gabriel. Words can't begin to describe how little you grasp a game while apparently going through it. Gabriel has the strength and power to tear easily through the Fallen One. Kratos' flesh isn't as durable as the Unforgotten One.

No, Kratos' strength isn't this high up nor can you prove it. Kratos is just strong enough to hurt them as is gabriel.

Gabriel's too fast for Kratos and has light and dark magic counters. he can also summon demons to attack Kratos, toss fairies at him, etc. Gabriel is too fast at the end of the game and with the power he has he easily rips Kratos in half since he easily did so against the Unforgotten One.

I backed up my case with proof Gabriel can hurt gigantic foes due to his strength and that Kratos has been outright killed before by beings his own size who lack strength feats and the fact he's injured all the time by any supernatural being in his game who lacks feats unlike Gabriel.

Originally posted by BloodRain
So that same throw wouldnt do the same? When was he got enhanced by them again?

Oh, and found concept art roughly showing what Atlas is under, which aint the whole Earth.

Though Kratos dominates this match. Portrayal wont be saving Gabriel.

Originally posted by unrealman
and he shouldn't cause the combat cross was specifically made to defend against creatures of the night such as vampires. so Drac Gab wouldn't necessary won't to carrying around a weapon ,that could potentially use against him. which is mostly likey why he broke the combat cross so that it couldn't be use against him. in fact since Drac Gab is a vampire that makes him vulnerable to divine / holy objects and weapons

Originally posted by quanchi112
Fallacious nonsense and unbacked claims

No, because its a negative, you have to prove Gabriel can cut someone with a skin that can take thousands of tons of force. Also you have made claims, not given evidence.

Becaise your talking nonsense about something I dont recall happening, your not going to convince me of your view if I dont think your talking about something from the game, hence why you need to post a video to prove me wrong, otherwise your just making claims and hoping I remember it from the game. I admit I think your a liar who cannot provide evidence.

Hephaeustus would not only crush him but burn his hands, Gabriel has not the feats to stop him. Kratos has taken a slap from Titans and Gods and easily wrestled with things that can pull Titnas down a mountain, the forgotten one has what feats to match this? surviving lava that cannot melt steel? 😆

Light and dark magic really just consists of a few special moves, the ultimate holy one is just Gabriel spinning which Kratos has done in GoW 2 and 3 and the dark one is even more simple, being a quick assault, worthless. Fairies? toss fairies at him? 😆 rip Kratos in half because he can rip someone who is stronger than what? stone? wonderful logic there mr pilkington 😆 , Gabriel would have trouble pulling Kratos' finger off.

No you made claims, no evidence. And two, Kratos was killed, more or less at his weakest both times by foes with far greater feats than Gabriel could dream of. "any supernatural in the game"? read the rules, gameplay mechanics.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

There was also line about Olympus being destroyed, the same mountain that was far away from where Atlas was: [b]"With the power of the Sun in his hands, it is only a matter of time before he destroys the Pillar that holds the World, and Olympus with it."
Said line is also about the Pillar holding the World i.e. the entire weight of the World was on the Pillar.

There was a line about how Kratos' choice to be with Calliope would bring about the End of the World: "To stay with his daughter meant the end of the World and the end of her."

There was also a line about Atlas holding the World on his shoulders: "The mighty Atlas was left enchained, cursed to forever hold the World on his shoulders."

Same world as ours, just a different view on its structure. Atlas is still lifting most if not all, of the GoW World.

~ Yeah, I type a lot. Sue me estahuh [/B]

I dont know about the one concerning Kratos, possibly the central pillar is most important, like how a key stone in a building is more important than some of the others. However, saying "hold the world" does not mean its alone in holding the world, technically even if there are 10+ other pillars they would still be holding the world so that part does not quite prove he is alone.

Not quite the same is it, its a disc, what is atop it is all wrong because Mt olmypus was never that large but more important is that it only requires someone or something to be propping it up in a small surface area so it seems this disc cannot fall as long as something is beneath it propping it up. He clearly has thousands of tons of strength.

Originally posted by Burning thought
No, because its a negative, you have to prove Gabriel [b]can cut someone with a skin that can take thousands of tons of force. Also you have made claims, not given evidence.

Becaise your talking nonsense about something I dont recall happening, your not going to convince me of your view if I dont think your talking about something from the game, hence why you need to post a video to prove me wrong, otherwise your just making claims and hoping I remember it from the game. I admit I think your a liar who cannot provide evidence.

Hephaeustus would not only crush him but burn his hands, Gabriel has not the feats to stop him. Kratos has taken a slap from Titans and Gods and easily wrestled with things that can pull Titnas down a mountain, the forgotten one has what feats to match this? surviving lava that cannot melt steel? 😆

Light and dark magic really just consists of a few special moves, the ultimate holy one is just Gabriel spinning which Kratos has done in GoW 2 and 3 and the dark one is even more simple, being a quick assault, worthless. Fairies? toss fairies at him? 😆 rip Kratos in half because he can rip someone who is stronger than what? stone? wonderful logic there mr pilkington 😆 , Gabriel would have trouble pulling Kratos' finger off.

No you made claims, no evidence. And two, Kratos was killed, more or less at his weakest both times by foes with far greater feats than Gabriel could dream of. "any supernatural in the game"? read the rules, gameplay mechanics.

I dont know about the one concerning Kratos, possibly the central pillar is most important, like how a key stone in a building is more important than some of the others. However, saying "hold the world" does not mean its alone in holding the world, technically even if there are 10+ other pillars they would still be holding the world so that part does not quite prove he is alone.

Not quite the same is it, its a disc, what is atop it is all wrong because Mt olmypus was never that large but more important is that it only requires someone or something to be propping it up in a small surface area so it seems this disc cannot fall as long as something is beneath it propping it up. He clearly has thousands of tons of strength. [/B]

What is it you don't remember. Spit it out and actually name something specific. Most of your posts are just ramblings anyways while repeating yourself. Your opinion means nothing to me.

What feats does Hephaestus have which suggest he crushes gabriel ? Since you are claiming gabriel doesn't have any feats which is incredibly hypocritical if you can't name any Hephaestus feats. This is the double standard debating you seem to do from debate to debate. Gabriel has feats of beating giant Titans whereas we don't see Hephaestus beat anyone yet you claim Gabriel doesn't have the feats despite Hephaestus having how many feats ? I am going to purge on in this debate to expose your own hypocritical, double standards and expose you for what you are.

Who cares if Kratos has taken a slap the guy has been killed on panel with a sword. The two feats don't translate into the same thing. We know throughout the games Kratos can't resist enemies weapons despite them having feats or not having feats so any claim he can resist an attack requires proof of resisting the same attack. Do you not understand ?

Light magic brings Gabriel's health back up and dark hurts a lot more. That's pretty effective. Yes, fairies in your face also would give Gabriel a slight advantage as would releasing a demon to attack him. Gabriel ripped someone in half who was unkillable even against the three lords of shadow and against Gabriel prior to. Gabriel did so with little effort and with ease while being a safe distance away with his increased power. Kratos' skin has been torn into easily by Ares and Zeus. No reason to suggest his skin can't be torn into since we've seen him killed twice now and ripped into easily.

I've given evidence in my claims. Kratos has been stabbed and killed. That's evidence since it occurred in the game. You wanting me to post a youtube video when we both know it's true is both a waste of time and idiotic since you agree it happened. That's called evidence, sport. You suggesting Kratos can resist the combat cross when not referring to any weapons he has ever resisted being cut which cut is not backing up your case.

You also avoid both times the argument of size conveniently when it applies to Kratos being a huge god and then reinforcing it with Cronos. I guess size only matters when it suits a particular point but when it doesn't it's all about the feats.

You can continue to alter my quotes which is a form of concession.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kratos has been cut by far less force. What examples do you have where his skin can resist pointy objects to his skin ? Do you have any ? That's called debating.

What is it you don't remember. Spit it out and actually name something specific. Most of your posts are just ramblings anyways while repeating yourself. Your opinion means nothing to me.

What feats does Hephaestus have which suggest he crushes gabriel ? Since you are claiming gabriel doesn't have any feats which is incredibly hypocritical if you can't name any Hephaestus feats. This is the double standard debating you seem to do from debate to debate. Gabriel has feats of beating giant Titans whereas we don't see Hephaestus beat anyone yet you claim Gabriel doesn't have the feats despite Hephaestus having how many feats ? I am going to purge on in this debate to expose your own hypocritical, double standards and expose you for what you are.

Who cares if Kratos has taken a slap the guy has been killed on panel with a sword. The two feats don't translate into the same thing. We know throughout the games Kratos can't resist enemies weapons despite them having feats or not having feats so any claim he can resist an attack requires proof of resisting the same attack. Do you not understand ?

Light magic brings Gabriel's health back up and dark hurts a lot more. That's pretty effective. Yes, fairies in your face also would give Gabriel a slight advantage as would releasing a demon to attack him. Gabriel ripped someone in half who was unkillable even against the three lords of shadow and against Gabriel prior to. Gabriel did so with little effort and with ease while being a safe distance away with his increased power. Kratos' skin has been torn into easily by Ares and Zeus. No reason to suggest his skin can't be torn into since we've seen him killed twice now and ripped into easily.

I've given evidence in my claims. Kratos has been stabbed and killed. That's evidence since it occurred in the game. You wanting me to post a youtube video when we both know it's true is both a waste of time and idiotic since you agree it happened. That's called evidence, sport. You suggesting Kratos can resist the combat cross when not referring to any weapons he has ever resisted being cut which cut is not backing up your case.

You also avoid both times the argument of size conveniently when it applies to Kratos being a huge god and then reinforcing it with Cronos. I guess size only matters when it suits a particular point but when it doesn't it's all about the feats.

You can continue to alter my quotes which is a form of concession.

Show me. A man with a knife cannot exert more than a few hundred pounds at best, compare that to thousands of tons? not a chance.

Kratos being cut by less force than Gods with super weapons. Then why are you debating? you can only win the debate if I concede, I will only concede if you convince me of your opinion therefore my opinion should be the most important thing to you right now otherwise your admitting your wasting time for no good reason.

Because hes far larger and heavier than anything Gabriel has faced. So far your only exposing your own ignorance of the series, and your own logical fallacies, for example strawman/red herrings you seem to love, Gabriel beating slow moving men of rock by smashing their weak points does not mean he can stop hephaustus' hammer like Kratos did.

Theres no panels, again your being confused by your comic book beliefs, games are different and further hes been killed in-game by Zeus with the BoO, not just "a sword". he does not have to resist the blade of Olmypus wielded by Zeus to prove anything, it would be a nice feat but its irrelevent to the discussion.

Gameplay mechanics, essentially thier useless here. And the 3 lords of shadow are as i said, weak, their strength and power feats are nothing compared to those of Kratos or Gods in GoW. Ares and Zeus are vastly more powerful, hilarious how you think Cornell or Camilla could stand up to Ares or Zeus who is far stronger than him, Ares launched a log that could be up to 50+ feet long miles across the earth into Kratos, theres nothing in lords of shadow comparable to that.

Show me this evidence, quote it because all I see is claims. I agree people vastly stronger than anyone in Lords of Shadow killed a weak Kratos with far more powerful forces.

Kratos has proven his size is irrelevent to his strength, its one of his powers strength while Chronos does not necesserily provide that power, his phsical might comes from his form, also he has the feat of carrying Pandoras temple on his back, an enormous structure that could weigh in at least, if not more than modern skyscrapers, thousands of tons. More than anything Gabriel could even imagine 🙂

Again, look up concession, you complaining about something does not make me concede, nor does the ramblings of someone ignorant to the source material so your just wasting time.

Its clear Gabriel breaks his arm by trying to strike kratos and then Kratos explodes him with a punch.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Show me. A man with a knife cannot exert more than a few hundred pounds at best, compare that to thousands of tons? not a chance.

Kratos being cut by less force than Gods with super weapons. Then why are you debating? you can only win the debate if I concede, I will only concede if you convince me of your opinion therefore my opinion should be the most important thing to you right now otherwise your admitting your wasting time for no good reason.

Because hes far larger and heavier than anything Gabriel has faced. So far your only exposing your own ignorance of the series, and your own logical fallacies, for example strawman/red herrings you seem to love, Gabriel beating slow moving men of rock by smashing their weak points does not mean he can stop hephaustus' hammer like Kratos did.

Theres no panels, again your being confused by your comic book beliefs, games are different and further hes been killed in-game by Zeus with the BoO, not just "a sword". he does not have to resist the blade of Olmypus wielded by Zeus to prove anything, it would be a nice feat but its irrelevent to the discussion.

Gameplay mechanics, essentially thier useless here. And the 3 lords of shadow are as i said, weak, their strength and power feats are nothing compared to those of Kratos or Gods in GoW. Ares and Zeus are vastly more powerful, hilarious how you think Cornell or Camilla could stand up to Ares or Zeus who is far stronger than him, Ares launched a log that could be up to 50+ feet long miles across the earth into Kratos, theres nothing in lords of shadow comparable to that.

Show me this evidence, quote it because all I see is claims. I agree people vastly stronger than anyone in Lords of Shadow killed a weak Kratos with far more powerful forces.

Kratos has proven his size is irrelevent to his strength, its one of his powers strength while Chronos does not necesserily provide that power, his phsical might comes from his form, also he has the feat of carrying Pandoras temple on his back, an enormous structure that could weigh in at least, if not more than modern skyscrapers, thousands of tons. More than anything Gabriel could even imagine 🙂

Again, look up concession, you complaining about something does not make me concede, nor does the ramblings of someone ignorant to the source material so your just wasting time.

Its clear Gabriel breaks his arm by trying to strike kratos and then Kratos explodes him with a punch.

Not super weapons any old weapon they attack him with. Any old boss hurts him in the game and in cutscenes he's been not only stabbed but killed in the process of being stabbed. Your opinion doesn't change despite the fact you have no argument.

Gabriel has faced foes large enough to make him ant sized so why doesn't this count as proof gabriel himself has supernatural strength. Kratos is much smaller than these gigantic foes Gabriel has beaten and hurt so why can't he hurt a much smaller Kratos ? You need to base it off Kratos being immune to someone's weapons. He doesn't have to stop Hephaestus' attack like Kratos did and why couldn't he anyways since his strength feats are far greater than hephaestus'. You have no argument and abandon the feat stuff for Hephaestus. Just because Kratos can do so against a far weaker threat than Zeus doesn't mean gabriel cannot despite the fact he has a lot of strength feats. Kratos also hurt weak points along Cronos he didn't take him head on. It's the same type of damage and avoiding tactics Kratos used. You really struggle with comprehension.

Games and comics share the same thing in common. Fictional feats that don't necessarily add up to real world logic and I have given examples. You also have examples of Kratos being stabbed by far less the force than Cronos has despite no strength feats to support it being anywhere near cronos force. Even your own arguments fold in on each other.

So you say the lords of shadow are weak but claim Hephaestus can beat Gabriel DESPITE HIM HAVING NO FEATS WHATSOEVER. Feats only matter to you for your characters then you wholeheartedly dismiss them and reveal yourself into a hypocrite. I didn't say they could beat them I said Carmilla survived something that would seriously hurt/or kill Kratos and they have the power to hurt these characters and kill Kratos given the chance.

No Kratos hasn't or else he could cause the same force he did when he was a giant. he has proven he has the strength to kill the enemies he faces against. When Kratos was small he really couldn't defeat Zeus but instead tricked him at the end of 2. Against Cronos he doesn't take him head on he avoids him and attacks key points on his body while evading him showing he can't tank his attacks.

Show you what evidence ? Cite something specifically when you ask for it. You debate in generalities and seem to stumble all over yourself as you can't even make sense or figure out what it is even you are saying let alone grasp my message.

You altering quotes because you're upset is a sign of a concession. I'm in your head, apparently.

Show me one character who breaks his arm against striking Kratos. if you have o proof of this happening it's fanboyism without anything supporting it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Gabriel isn't just a man with a knife so why do you insisently keep saying he is ? What nromal man with a knife can hurt the enemies gabriel has or show the skill gabriel has irl ? Name a few.

Not super weapons any old weapon they attack him with. Any old boss hurts him in the game and in cutscenes he's been not only stabbed but killed in the process of being stabbed. Your opinion doesn't change despite the fact you have no argument.

Gabriel has faced foes large enough to make him ant sized so why doesn't this count as proof gabriel himself has supernatural strength. Kratos is much smaller than these gigantic foes Gabriel has beaten and hurt so why can't he hurt a much smaller Kratos ? You need to base it off Kratos being immune to someone's weapons. He doesn't have to stop Hephaestus' attack like Kratos did and why couldn't he anyways since his strength feats are far greater than hephaestus'. You have no argument and abandon the feat stuff for Hephaestus. Just because Kratos can do so against a far weaker threat than Zeus doesn't mean gabriel cannot despite the fact he has a lot of strength feats. Kratos also hurt weak points along Cronos he didn't take him head on. It's the same type of damage and avoiding tactics Kratos used. You really struggle with comprehension.

Games and comics share the same thing in common. Fictional feats that don't necessarily add up to real world logic and I have given examples. You also have examples of Kratos being stabbed by far less the force than Cronos has despite no strength feats to support it being anywhere near cronos force. Even your own arguments fold in on each other.

So you say the lords of shadow are weak but claim Hephaestus can beat Gabriel DESPITE HIM HAVING NO FEATS WHATSOEVER. Feats only matter to you for your characters then you wholeheartedly dismiss them and reveal yourself into a hypocrite. I didn't say they could beat them I said Carmilla survived something that would seriously hurt/or kill Kratos and they have the power to hurt these characters and kill Kratos given the chance.

No Kratos hasn't or else he could cause the same force he did when he was a giant. he has proven he has the strength to kill the enemies he faces against. When Kratos was small he really couldn't defeat Zeus but instead tricked him at the end of 2. Against Cronos he doesn't take him head on he avoids him and attacks key points on his body while evading him showing he can't tank his attacks.

Show you what evidence ? Cite something specifically when you ask for it. You debate in generalities and seem to stumble all over yourself as you can't even make sense or figure out what it is even you are saying let alone grasp my message.

You altering quotes because you're upset is a sign of a concession. I'm in your head, apparently.

Show me one character who breaks his arm against striking Kratos. if you have o proof of this happening it's fanboyism without anything supporting it.

Why do you keep missing the point on purpose? its like you dont even know what your argueing and what a counter is, I countered your complaint on sharp objects, you dont know how much PSI is in an object. Also, Gabriel does not even use a blade, he uses a combat cross which has some sharp edges but is otherwise just a large metal cross with stakes and such as attachments.

Show me, show me "any old weapon". Your talking gameplay mechanics, look to the rules.

Because he does not beat them with strength or defeat their strength. Because Kratos has better durability feats than the weak pressure points (bits of flesh, muscle, small bones etc) Gabriel has to beat. No I dont, its called PSI, if were argueing weight, strength, gravity etc then this is relevent, if you dont want to argue these things then you may as well claim now as the thread starter that all strength and durability feats are made equel. He took on Chronos' hand slapping down on him and then just pushed it up, he also did the same to his fingers from the beginning, how Kratos actually won is irrelevent because Gabriel is not so large.

Whining about fictional feats vs real ones is falty, we dont use gameplay mechanics here so we argue them from a realistic point of view otherwise all the feats concering strength and durability may as well be null if you dont want to argue weight/physics or gravity/force.

By virtue of size, you are not making logical deductions and your desperatly making claims again, evidence please or leave 🙂

"the same force", iirc all he did as a giant was punch one building, sure he fought Ares but he has defeated strength of far far larger beings than Ares. Watch GoW 3 vids if you have not played the game, he beats Zeus face to face, size is irrelevent. Kratos tanked them on-screen, with videos i have shown you, if you want to ignore evidence then dont try and debate something you dont understand].

Again, some desperate claims, trolling, this wont convince me of your poor argument unfortunatly it will simply see you as even less credible than you already are 🙁 .

Originally posted by Burning thought
Why do you keep missing the point on purpose? its like you dont even know what your argueing and what a counter is, I countered your complaint on sharp objects, you dont know how much PSI is in an object. Also, Gabriel does not even use a blade, he uses a combat cross which has some sharp edges but is otherwise just a large metal cross with stakes and such as attachments.

Show me, show me "any old weapon". Your talking gameplay mechanics, look to the rules.

Because he does not beat them with strength or defeat their strength. Because Kratos has better durability feats than the weak pressure points (bits of flesh, muscle, small bones etc) Gabriel has to beat. No I dont, its called PSI, if were argueing weight, strength, gravity etc then this is relevent, if you dont want to argue these things then you may as well claim now as the thread starter that all strength and durability feats are made equel. He took on Chronos' hand slapping down on him and then just pushed it up, he also did the same to his fingers from the beginning, how Kratos actually won is irrelevent because Gabriel is not so large.

Whining about fictional feats vs real ones is falty, we dont use gameplay mechanics here so we argue them from a realistic point of view otherwise all the feats concering strength and durability may as well be null if you dont want to argue weight/physics or gravity/force.

By virtue of size, you are not making logical deductions and your desperatly making claims again, evidence please or leave 🙂

"the same force", iirc all he did as a giant was punch one building, sure he fought Ares but he has defeated strength of far far larger beings than Ares. Watch GoW 3 vids if you have not played the game, he beats Zeus face to face, size is irrelevent. Kratos tanked them on-screen, with [b]videos i have shown you, if you want to ignore evidence then dont try and debate something you dont understand].

Again, some desperate claims, trolling, this wont convince me of your poor argument unfortunatly it will simply see you as even less credible than you already are 🙁 . [/B]

The game makes it clear Kratos isn't beyond swords, enemies weapons and besides that fact you have no cutscenes to back up your dubious claim.

Gabriel does use strength to catch their weapons thrown, etc. or flat out overpower and kill them. he does to which Hephaestus doesn't have any feats except attacking an unaware Kratos and dying. You abandon feats when it serves you and bring them up when it does as well making it known you implore double standards. Your arguments actually go against you as well though you don't even see it which is amusing.

Kratos avoided Cronos long enough to kill him. His strength can't survive an assault from Cronos but he can temporarily resist and then blind Cronos. That's a huge difference from what your implying and is exactly the same as how Gabriel takes on the larger opponents.

Realistically Kratos' skin gets cut as it has in the game. In real life just as in the game no weapons break against his skin.

What does by virtue of size even address ? The funny thing is I have given examples you haven't to back up your claims.

He fought Ares on equal ground but has never fought a giant being on equal ground since then. Every giant he has fought he avoids and damages certain parts of them until he can destroy them. To not know the difference in this elementary logic shows you cannt grasp the obvious.

You call everyone else a troll who disagrees with you and get threads shut down because you become unraveled. Either debate civilly or concede. The choice is yours.

Gabriel wins.

So everyone agrees Kratos wins right?

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
So everyone agrees Kratos wins right?

Does quanchi count?

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
Does quanchi count?

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
Does quanchi count?

He has been put onto the shelf because I was bored of him. So no, he does not.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
He has been put onto the shelf because I was bored of him. So no, he does not.

Kratos wins then. Thread over.