Darkseid, Thor, Silver Surfer vs Thanos, Superman, Blue Marvel.

Originally posted by Cogito
That was not Darkseid that Batman killed, it was DS controlling Dan Turpin's body. Orion didn't kill Darkseid because he's appeared since. And besides, Final Crisis was a piece of shit that makes little to no sense.

First, there's no reason to believe it was a one time occurance. The Source said DS is necessary for life to exist, so as long as life exists the Source should protect him. Also, it's laughable that you're holding it against Darkseid that it's the Source protecting him from death and thus not his own power when it's Death protecting Thanos from death, not his own power.

Ok...has Thanos ever shown the ability to time travel on his own? Because that's what he'd need to do here.

And I didn't claim Darkseid BFR'd Doomsday. I said he could have. He didn't because of a combination of arrogance thinking he could just kill him permanently and PIS. If he had wanted to, he could have easily BFR'd DD.

No, it was one writer addressing an issue in which the Spectre killed him. One writer's interpretations don't mean jack to every other writer especially since this has never been alluded to prior to or since. I also gave examples of Darkseid being beaten and killed. LOL.

Thanos was given the power to be immune to death on his own. That's his power now until otherwise. We also don't have eany examples of Thanos being killed since then anyways unlike Darkseid.

He did so with the silver surfer so uhm yes.

So you admit darkseid is too arrogant to do so meaning it's out of character to do so here which there isn't any proof it will even hit Thanos since he can easily deflect it like WW or like hv has.

So if a doombot dies, then Dr. Doom is dead? Because that's the same logic you're using. As a Doombot is not Dr. Doom, an avatar is Darkseid is not Darkseid.

The Spectre has been the only one to actually kill the real Darkseid, which is why we can assume that's the only time the Source has intervened.

Your difference between Darkseid and Thanos dying is nitpicking. Neither naturally had/has the power to be immune to death.

I'm not familiar with Thanos time travelling. Scans or description of what happened?

WW's defense against Darkseid's omega beams comes from other gods. I have no reason to believe Thanos is as powerful as those gods, and therefore no reason to believe that Thanos can block them the same.

Why bother, Cogito?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Why bother, Cogito?

😬

Quan becomes an irrational femboy clinging to Thanos's nuts when discussing Thanos.

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Something like that

Originally posted by Cogito
So if a doombot dies, then Dr. Doom is dead? Because that's the same logic you're using. As a Doombot is not Dr. Doom, an avatar is Darkseid is not Darkseid.

The Spectre has been the only one to actually kill the real Darkseid, which is why we can assume that's the only time the Source has intervened.

Your difference between Darkseid and Thanos dying is nitpicking. Neither naturally had/has the power to be immune to death.

I'm not familiar with Thanos time travelling. Scans or description of what happened?

WW's defense against Darkseid's omega beams comes from other gods. I have no reason to believe Thanos is as powerful as those gods, and therefore no reason to believe that Thanos can block them the same.

Thanos was vested with an indestructible form since his rez unlike Seid Thanos has the power himself.

He traveled through time through his tech. You already stated Ds is too arrogant and will probably try to duke this out not that it matters as it's easy to deflect his beams.

Superman's hv doesn't come from other gods nor does Raker's gl powers which both negated ds's powers for the time being.

Thanos is far more powerful than either.

Darkseid survived death under his own power. These are the events in order:-
1) An amped Orion faces Darkseid in the "Final Conflict" as prophesized. In the course of the fight DS' heart get's ripped out, presumably killing him.

2) Darkseid doesn't go away, through sheer will power he survives the war with Orion and New Genesis after his apparent death. But as I side effect of the cosmic war the dimension of the 4th world is destroyed, flinging Darkseid backwards in time.

3) Darkseid arrives on Earth years before the current timeline and lives in the disguise of a human gangster, calling himself Boss Darkside.

4) Darkseid has won the cosmic war aka the war in heaven with New Genesis. He traps Mr. Miracle II in the Omega Sanction while Shilo is doing a stunt in a black hole in order to destroy the avatar of freedom.

5) After those events we discover that the universe hasn't yet caught up with the cataclysm that was the destruction of the 4th world. Kind of like an explosion that expands backwards and then forwards through time, the destruction of that dimension finally coincides with continuity in the present.

6) The whole/complete Darkseid falls into present time precipitating the events of FC and coinciding with the acquisition of Turpin as his final host i.e. the ideal vessel for the time to nourish/feed DS for the time he needs to accomplish his plan.

So at no point did the Source sustain DS. The only time that has actually happened was when the Spectre killed him, every other time DS has come back through his own esoteric power (like the time he used Orion's own body to revive, and ripped Orion in two when his body had fully leached off Orion) or sheer will power.

Team 2. Superman > Darkseid. Thanos > Thor or SS.

Blue Marvel isn't a push-over by any means.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Team 2. Superman > Darkseid. Thanos > Thor or SS.

Blue Marvel isn't a push-over by any means.

I'm a big Superman fan, and in no way, shape, or form is Superman > Darkseid. ❌

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Smh...

Considering that Thor and Surfer can likely neutralize Supes out the gate, and I'm fairly certain that the Omega Effect would work on Blue Marvel, I'm leaning towards Team 1 if strategy is taken into account rather than the simplistic "charge in head first and blast/punch the person that's most analogous to you" approach people seem to always bring to these fights.

I also think 'standard' Darkseid is more powerful than standard Thanos.

This. Exactly.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
T1. Blue Marvel is a weak link.

Originally posted by Cogito
I'm a big Superman fan, and in no way, shape, or form is Superman > Darkseid. ❌

Well, we all agree Kal is the strongest fighter in the battlefield 131

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Except he's beat Darkseid down when he's fought him at his best on-panel.

And Darkseid has embarrassed Superman before...he certainly has greater overall feats, as well as more consistent feats, which I believe trumps that showing by Supes

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Except he's beat Darkseid down when he's fought him at his best on-panel.

So we take Superman on his best and Darkseid on his worst?

How about we take both at their best? Then DS should wins this, right?

Originally posted by Cogito
And Darkseid has embarrassed Superman before...he certainly has greater overall feats, as well as more consistent feats, which I believe trumps that showing by Supes

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
So we take Superman on his best and Darkseid on his worst?

How about we take both at their best? Then DS should wins this, right?

I'm not entertaining these flimsy excuses.

Ôk so when Darkseid slaps Superman around it's Supermans worst, when Supermans beats Darkwseid into the ground it's his best.

Thor solos

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Darkseid > Thanos
Thor = Superman
Silver Surfer > = Blue Marvel imo

Team 1

Thanos>darksied
thor=>superman
silver surfer>Blue marvel