Darkseid, Thor, Silver Surfer vs Thanos, Superman, Blue Marvel. · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Batman-Prime Kryptonian Scientist

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Superman wasn't winning in Countdown.
They seemed pretty evenly matched. It's just Darkseid had no reason to continue fighting Superman when he could just zap him with Kryptonite. It was the smart move, I don't see it as proof he couldn't beat Superman the old fashioned way.
In any case it's not as if being beaten/given trouble by Superman means that any Herald can beat Darkseid which is unfortunately what many seem to believe/try to argue.

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That's the problem. People still think Superman is just another Herald, while he is portrayed often enough to be above herald level, and is treated like a cosmic being. He is a cosmic being, a nexus being. Any other Herald would get stomped by Darkseid.

JakeTheBank Return of the King

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Any other Herald would get stomped by Darkseid.

Any other herald? You sure about that?

Batman-Prime Kryptonian Scientist

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Any other herald? You sure about that?

Hmm, let my think about it. Surfer for sure. Thor might have a good chance to survive some time, like he does against Zeus for example. Are you referring to someone special?

Cogito Senior Member

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
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That's the problem. People still think Superman is just another Herald, while he is portrayed often enough to be above herald level, and is treated like a cosmic being. He is a cosmic being, a nexus being. Any other Herald would get stomped by Darkseid.

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JakeTheBank Return of the King

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Hmm, let my think about it. Surfer for sure. Thor might have a good chance to survive some time, like he does against Zeus for example. Are you referring to someone special?

Those were the main two I was thinking of. Given their feats and how they rank in power and versatility, they could each give Darkseid an ass kicking, imo.

Batman-Prime Kryptonian Scientist

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Those were the main two I was thinking of. Given their feats and how they rank in power and versatility, they could each give Darkseid an ass kicking, imo.

The way heralds are portrayed against Darkseid, with the exception of Superman because of said "qualities", I don't think they would stand a real chance. Crossovers are a bad example, so let's forget the hunger. But imho it would be similar to it. I see Thor doing much better then Surfer because of Mjolnir and his ability to block or absorb powerful Sh!t but I don't think it would be enough in the end.

Imo, Superman should also lose always to Darkseid, but well he is the Nexus being of DC, sooo.

JakeTheBank Return of the King

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
The way heralds are portrayed against Darkseid, with the exception of Superman because of said "qualities", I don't think they would stand a real chance. Crossovers are a bad example, so let's forget the hunger. But imho it would be similar to it. I see Thor doing much better then Surfer because of Mjolnir and his ability to block or absorb powerful Sh!t but I don't think it would be enough in the end.
Imo, Superman should also lose always to Darkseid, but well he is the Nexus being of DC, sooo.

And yet, both Surfer and Thor have taken it to beings > than Darkseid. Given that Superman holds a speed and strength edge over Thor and Surfer (though I don't feel Superman is vastly stronger than what Thor can accomplish with a Mjolnir swing), and the other two clearly trump him in power output and versatility, it raises the question why can't they beat Darkseid for the majority outside of "they're not Superman".

As you said it yourself, Thor's defensive capabilities with Mjolnir should give him a huge edge against Darkseid as how he's portrayed in his battles with Superman. And Surfer's no slouch, either.

We can argue, and likely agree, that Darkseid should be >>>> Superman, but when it comes down to it, he's not shown to be a lot of the times in comics outside of amps or his true form. And if Superman is a peer to Thor and Surfer, regardless of who you feel is the "best" out of the three, again, how and why can't Thor and Surfer do as well as Superman?

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
The way heralds are portrayed against Darkseid, with the exception of Superman because of said "qualities", I don't think they would stand a real chance. Crossovers are a bad example, so let's forget the hunger. But imho it would be similar to it. I see Thor doing much better then Surfer because of Mjolnir and his ability to block or absorb powerful Sh!t but I don't think it would be enough in the end.
Imo, Superman should also lose always to Darkseid, but well he is the Nexus being of DC, sooo.

What? You mean GL Raker who's diverted Darkseid's beams? Wonder Woman, who actually warred with Darkseid and has done the same? Orion who has taken him to task?

Let's not project Thanos' clear superiority over High Heralds onto Darkseid. Thanos has never been so utterly humbled by a High Herald. Not even close. Darkseid has.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What? You mean GL Raker who's diverted Darkseid's beams? Wonder Woman, who actually warred with Darkseid and has done the same? Orion who has taken him to task?
Let's not project Thanos' clear superiority over High Heralds onto Darkseid. Thanos has never been so utterly humbled by a High Herald. Not even close. Darkseid has.

This...

There really shouldn't even be an argument made with Darkseid vs Heralds because on panel proof is a b****. I see no reason on why Thor couldn't pull a majority against him imo because honestly, he has the tools to do it.

By the way, I would like to add... Thanos>>>Darkseid.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Lmao @ Thanos soloing or almost soloing.
Get that grape dick wanking out of here.

He'd do so and easily.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Superman wasn't winning in Countdown.
They seemed pretty evenly matched. It's just Darkseid had no reason to continue fighting Superman when he could just zap him with Kryptonite. It was the smart move, I don't see it as proof he couldn't beat Superman the old fashioned way.
In any case it's not as if being beaten/given trouble by Superman means that any Herald can beat Darkseid which is unfortunately what many seem to believe/try to argue.

Superman was winning hence Darkseid's timely oslen usage. Superman owns Seid even in fc he beats him.

Sr J-Bieb Dead

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Superman wasn't winning in Countdown.
They seemed pretty evenly matched. It's just Darkseid had no reason to continue fighting Superman when he could just zap him with Kryptonite. It was the smart move, I don't see it as proof he couldn't beat Superman the old fashioned way.

Darkseid hurt Superman once in that fight... Superman rocked him with everything he landed. Superman was winning, Darkseid won because of the surroundings (Jimmy). I don't see a problem with that.

Rage.Of.Olympus Senior Member

Sr J-Bieb Dead

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
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http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49h.jpg < Translation: I don't want to get my ass kicked again.

The same people who defend that fight, rag on Thanos for his closer fight with a powered up pissed off Thor. Even though Thanos never got pissed off and then said he wanted to stop two pages later...

Darkseid is above Thanos though.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49b.jpg
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http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49h.jpg < Translation: I don't want to get my ass kicked again.

These scans don't lie. Superman against Seid one on one owns him.

Cogito Senior Member

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49c.jpg
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http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49g.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49h.jpg < Translation: I don't want to get my ass kicked again.

Translation: I'm intelligent and thought ahead. I could fight Superman, but why would I want to when I have an auto-win button?

Originally posted by quanchi112
These scans don't lie. Superman against Seid one on one owns him.

These scans are selective, and don't show the whole picture. If Thanos were fighting Thor, and Thanos had prepared a way to beat Thor instantly, you would brag about Thanos' intelligence and awe-inspiring prep skills. Your bias is disgusting.

What follows next is Jimmy Olsen growing to massive proportions, empowered by the New Gods. Darkseid also grows and proceeds to beat his ass down, and finally being on the verge of killing him when they were interrupted.

Furthermore, I propose that a pissed off Superman (like a warrior madness Thor), are not high heralds, but Trans+.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Cogito
Translation: I'm intelligent and thought ahead. I could fight Superman, but why would I want to when I have an auto-win button?
These scans are selective, and don't show the whole picture. If Thanos were fighting Thor, and Thanos had prepared a way to beat Thor instantly, you would brag about Thanos' intelligence and awe-inspiring prep skills. Your bias is disgusting.
What follows next is Jimmy Olsen growing to massive proportions, empowered by the New Gods. Darkseid also grows and proceeds to beat his ass down, and finally being on the verge of killing him when they were interrupted.
Furthermore, I propose that a pissed off Superman (like a warrior madness Thor), are not high heralds, but Trans+.

Here's the difference as this has already occurred. Thanos did fight Thor not only not holding back but backed by a huge amp the power gem. Thanos fought him despite knowing physical punishment wouldn't defeat him and easily won. Thanos has never lost to Thor whereas Darkseid has repeatedly stalemated him and lost to him. Darkseid has lost to Superman without any amps and to the point he admitted humiliation in a fair one on one battle to which Seid begged for mercy. That's about as abysmal of a loss as can be.

Olsen didn't know what he was doing with his powers and Seid always controlled them until Ray Palmer destroyed his connection.

Then at the end Orion ripped his heart out.

Thor can be a trans all he wants even with an amp he isn't beating Thanos whereas Superman has crushed Darkseid before and Superman has never beaten Orion. I guess since Superman stalemates and is seen as a peer to Captain Marvel he's another example of a trans. LOL.

Batman-Prime Kryptonian Scientist

Originally posted by Cogito
Translation: I'm intelligent and thought ahead. I could fight Superman, but why would I want to when I have an auto-win button?
These scans are selective, and don't show the whole picture. If Thanos were fighting Thor, and Thanos had prepared a way to beat Thor instantly, you would brag about Thanos' intelligence and awe-inspiring prep skills. Your bias is disgusting.
What follows next is Jimmy Olsen growing to massive proportions, empowered by the New Gods. Darkseid also grows and proceeds to beat his ass down, and finally being on the verge of killing him when they were interrupted.
Furthermore, I propose that a pissed off Superman (like a warrior madness Thor), are not high heralds, but Trans+.

👆 "They'd (the JLA) just be getting in my way". Supes wanted to face Darkseid alone.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
👆 "They'd (the JLA) just be getting in my way". Supes wanted to face Darkseid alone.

To bad Darkseid is low to mid Herald.

MF DELPH aka Rakim Illa

facepalm

Cogito Senior Member

Originally posted by quanchi112
Here's the difference as this has already occurred. Thanos did fight Thor not only not holding back but backed by a huge amp the power gem. Thanos fought him despite knowing physical punishment wouldn't defeat him and easily won. Thanos has never lost to Thor whereas Darkseid has repeatedly stalemated him and lost to him. Darkseid has lost to Superman without any amps and to the point he admitted humiliation in a fair one on one battle to which Seid begged for mercy. That's about as abysmal of a loss as can be.

Thanos and Thor's fights are irrelevant. It was a hypothetical situation 🙄

Originally posted by quanchi112
Olsen didn't know what he was doing with his powers and Seid always controlled them until Ray Palmer destroyed his connection.

You can say Olsen didn't know how to use his powers, but there are still a few things to take away from this:
1. Olsen had used his powers, quite effectively (albeit not intentionally)
2. Darkseid grew to massive proportions (We know the fourth world is big, never seen that before in the 3rd world)
3. Darkseid more or less 1 shot Olsen, so Olsen's skill doesn't matter

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then at the end Orion ripped his heart out.

Pissed off Orion is also > HH. Besides, Darkseid survived.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor can be a trans all he wants even with an amp he isn't beating Thanos whereas Superman has crushed Darkseid before and Superman has never beaten Orion. I guess since Superman stalemates and is seen as a peer to Captain Marvel he's another example of a trans. LOL.

You're trying to create equivalencies where none exist. You're saying Thor can't beat Thanos, and Superman can (maybe) beat Darkseid, so Thanos > Darkseid. This doesn't take into account that pissed off Superman > Thor, rendering your analogy meaningless.

Captain Marvel is only normal Superman's peer. Pissed off Superman would beat him back into a child state. Again, missed comparison. Ditto for Orion. You're missing the point here, which is the Superman's state of mind greatly impacts his power, and characters that can hang with him when he's calm don't have a prayer when he's angry.

Originally posted by carver9
To bad Darkseid is low to mid Herald.

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