Originally posted by OneDumbG0C'mon... IIRC HV deflected the OE, not just the beams, but what DS claimed was the OE. and he was blinded by a hematoma?
No. He doesn't. Darkseid's losses aren't a result of him performing his worst when Superman is performing his best.I'm not entertaining these flimsy excuses.
then he cant teleport himself out of SM's grasp or shoot the OE at his face while SM flies him into the wall even thgough they're carrying a dialogue and looking at each other?
Originally posted by 753A lot of things have deflected/diverted the Omega Effect.
C'mon... IIRC HV deflected the OE, not just the beams, but what DS claimed was the OE. and he was blinded by a hematoma?then he cant teleport himself out of SM's grasp or shoot the OE at his face while SM flies him into the wall even thgough they're carrying a dialogue and looking at each other?
The times Darkseid has "gotten one over" on Superman involve either Desaad tossing Byrne Superman, Darkseid sucker-punching him into the Source Wall, smacking him around after his failed assault on Imperiex Prime, and maybe a pimp-hand or two with no extended fight.
Superman > Darkseid. He's humbled him definitively as bad as anybody can be.
Thanos being the brilliant tactician that he is will have superman face off against DS.
Thanos will beat up SS quicker than anyone will beat his opponent here. He will then go and help BM against Thor.
Superman should have already dealt with DS by now but if he hasn't Thanos and BM will have been done with Thor and can assist.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
A lot of things have deflected/diverted the Omega Effect.
Superman's heat vision.
...umm...
...yeah that's all I can think of Post Crisis.
Also you ignore the fact that Superman was sunamped during the Superman/Batman fight. Before the fight moved to the sun Darkseid was winning.
Originally posted by Omega VisionRaker's gl ring also contained the omega beams. Superman took Darkseid to the sun so he definitely was winning since he took Seid against his will from earth all the way to the sun. That's called imposing your will on someone else.
Wonder Woman's bracers.Superman's heat vision.
...umm...
...yeah that's all I can think of Post Crisis.
Also you ignore the fact that Superman was sunamped during the Superman/Batman fight. Before the fight moved to the sun Darkseid was winning.
Originally posted by MF DELPH
Smh...Considering that Thor and Surfer can likely neutralize Supes out the gate, and I'm fairly certain that the Omega Effect would work on Blue Marvel, I'm leaning towards Team 1 if strategy is taken into account rather than the simplistic "charge in head first and blast/punch the person that's most analogous to you" approach people seem to always bring to these fights.
this is agreeable
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
A lot of things have deflected/diverted the Omega Effect.The times Darkseid has "gotten one over" on Superman involve either Desaad tossing Byrne Superman, Darkseid sucker-punching him into the Source Wall, smacking him around after his failed assault on Imperiex Prime, and maybe a pimp-hand or two with no extended fight.
Superman > Darkseid. He's humbled him definitively as bad as anybody can be.
Superman has smacked DS like...twice post crisis. The extremely OOC Apokolips Now where apparently the proudest guy in the multiverse asks for quarter, and thinks Supes would want to take over Apokolips, really is that DS or one of his minions? And then the Superman/Batman Source Wall beatdown.
By contrast Post Crisis DS has ko'd Superman and the JLA core in Super Powers. Smacked him during the Imperiex War. Dropped him in Countdown. Was about to kill him in DOTNG before Miracle used the ALE on him to stop him.
That's 4 incidents off the top of my head where DS showed superior combat power to Superman's 2. There are other incidents as well but they had some extenuating circumstances.
And of course there's their first meeting in Confidential. So like 5-2 Post Crisis with regards to real victories.
Superman just got KO'ed by Black Racer in Imperiex War and then fought Darkseid...
Darkseid was draining him with Shadow Demons in DOTNG, something that hasn't exactly been shown again, or before for that matter
Superman was winning in Countdown until Darkseid activated a Kryptonite Jimmy that rendered Superman almost unable to stand, then Darkseid shot him in the back
Superman also made Darkseid run away twice, that you forgot. Plus he stalemated him in the Imperiex arc as well.
I always shake my head when Darkseid fans try and compare Superman/Darksied battles. I don't think Omega Vision has ever tried the stunt again after our last debate. excellent
If you actually read their battles, Superman has proven without a doubt that he is the physically superior specimen. At least when he cuts loose. Shit, I'd be hard pressed to even give the poor bastard a power edge anymore if the Omega Effect is anything to go by.
But don't worry, Darkseid still has his vaguely defined "true form" that he can rely on. That is until they battle and Superman sings.
Superman wasn't winning in Countdown.
They seemed pretty evenly matched. It's just Darkseid had no reason to continue fighting Superman when he could just zap him with Kryptonite. It was the smart move, I don't see it as proof he couldn't beat Superman the old fashioned way.
In any case it's not as if being beaten/given trouble by Superman means that any Herald can beat Darkseid which is unfortunately what many seem to believe/try to argue.