Originally posted by CogitoThey aren't irrelevant as Thanos never loses or is hard pressed against any elite top tier hero by himself under normal circumstances. You want to pick and choose and hide what comics tell us to be the case.
Thanos and Thor's fights are irrelevant. It was a hypothetical situation 🙄You can say Olsen didn't know how to use his powers, but there are still a few things to take away from this:
1. Olsen had used his powers, quite effectively (albeit not intentionally)
2. Darkseid grew to massive proportions (We know the fourth world is big, never seen that before in the 3rd world)
3. Darkseid more or less 1 shot Olsen, so Olsen's skill doesn't matterPissed off Orion is also > HH. Besides, Darkseid survived.
You're trying to create equivalencies where none exist. You're saying Thor can't beat Thanos, and Superman can (maybe) beat Darkseid, so Thanos > Darkseid. This doesn't take into account that pissed off Superman > Thor, rendering your analogy meaningless.
Captain Marvel is only normal Superman's peer. Pissed off Superman would beat him back into a child state. Again, missed comparison. Ditto for Orion. You're missing the point here, which is the Superman's state of mind greatly impacts his power, and characters that can hang with him when he's calm don't have a prayer when he's angry.
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1.If he used them through Darkseid then he didn't really have control over them and any real experience with them without Seid's control.
2.Darkseid had access to the powers and then the connection was severed he shrank down again.
3.Olsen wasn't anything special nor did he know what he was doing so it wasn't impressive at all.
Pissed off Thor>>>Orion and even he pissed off and with an amp could do no more than cause Thanos' nostrils to bleed. Thanos is on another level Ds is on their same level. Big diff.
It's pretty damn pathetic that after 6-7 years later, people are still using the same lame ass argument, that if "Superman can do something, so can this character". In the case of Darkseid, the reason it's so asinine on the behalf of the posters that use it, is because.....
1. Superman has only beaten Ds cleanly twice in canon.
2. Even then one of those match ups was a h2h brawl, a fight that any other character in this thread could conceivably lose.
3. The other is.........drum roll folks.......the lowest showing in his entire history. In Apokolips Now he looked liked a piece of shit and even begged liked a homeless crack whore. It was not only a disgraceful display of his power, it was practically out of character.
4. In both of those fights didn't properly utilize his power set. Darkseid can theoretically exploit Superman's weakness, without the help of Jimmy Olsen.facepalm He's created everything from simple paper, to a f#cking Starship the size of New york and even empowered/depowered high herald level characters. So why the hell can't he create a chunk of kryptonite out of thin air? 🙄 Contrary to popular belief (Or in other words the rampant stupidity that floods this thread) Ds's Superman showings aren't accurate representations of how he would fair against other characters, especially those in the Marvel Universe. To say if "Superman can do it so can tSS/Thor/Thanos etc" is as asinine as saying "if John Cena can beat this guy, So can Samoa Joe/Aj Styles/ blah blah,". Even though those particular characters wouldn't match up the same outside of their respected universes. Which brings me to my next point.
6.Darkseids has been portrayed as Supes secondary archenemy ever since Superman the Animated series. Yes the same Superman that's the flagship character of the Dcu and has beaten or held his own against a few transcendent levelers. It's natural that he loses to Supes on a few occasions.
7. Even with those low showings taken into consideration, Ds has one shotted virtually every other mid to high herald character in the Dcu.
I'm pretty sure that all these points I made will either go ignored, or poorly retorted by Quanchi. I don't give a flying f#ck, if so many nimrods cling to the same old shit after this long nothing I can say will change their opinions I suppose.
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
It's pretty damn pathetic that after 6-7 years later, people are still using the same lame ass argument, that if "Superman can do something, so can this character". In the case of Darkseid, the reason it's so asinine on the behalf of the posters that use it, is because.....1. Superman has only beaten Ds cleanly [b]twice
in canon.2. Even then one of those match ups was a h2h brawl, a fight that any other character in this thread could conceivably lose.
3. The other is.........drum roll folks.......the lowest showing in his entire history. In Apokolips Now he looked liked a piece of shit and even begged liked a homeless crack whore. It was not only a disgraceful display of his power, it was practically out of character.
4. In both of those fights didn't properly utilize his power set. Darkseid can theoretically exploit Superman's weakness, without the help of Jimmy Olsen.facepalm He's created everything from simple paper, to a f#cking Starship the size of New york and even empowered/depowered high herald level characters. So why the hell can't he create a chunk of kryptonite out of thin air? 🙄 Contrary to popular belief (Or in other words the rampant stupidity that floods this thread) Ds's Superman showings aren't accurate representations of how he would fair against other characters, especially those in the Marvel Universe. To say if "Superman can do it so can tSS/Thor/Thanos etc" is as asinine as saying "if John Cena can beat this guy, So can Samoa Joe/Aj Styles/ blah blah,". Even though those particular characters wouldn't match up the same outside of their respected universes. Which brings me to my next point.
6.Darkseids has been portrayed as Supes secondary archenemy ever since Superman the Animated series. Yes the same Superman that's the flagship character of the Dcu and has beaten or held his own against a few transcendent levelers. It's natural that he loses to Supes on a few occasions.
7. Even with those low showings taken into consideration, Ds has one shotted virtually every other mid to high herald character in the Dcu.
I'm pretty sure that all these points I made will either go ignored, or poorly retorted by Quanchi. I don't give a flying f#ck, if so many nimrods cling to the same old shit after this long nothing I can say will change their opinions I suppose. [/B]
👆 Couldn't have said it better
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
It's pretty damn pathetic that after 6-7 years later, people are still using the same lame ass argument, that if "Superman can do something, so can this character". In the case of Darkseid, the reason it's so asinine on the behalf of the posters that use it, is because.....1. Superman has only beaten Ds cleanly [b]twice
in canon.2. Even then one of those match ups was a h2h brawl, a fight that any other character in this thread could conceivably lose.
3. The other is.........drum roll folks.......the lowest showing in his entire history. In Apokolips Now he looked liked a piece of shit and even begged liked a homeless crack whore. It was not only a disgraceful display of his power, it was practically out of character.
4. In both of those fights didn't properly utilize his power set. Darkseid can theoretically exploit Superman's weakness, without the help of Jimmy Olsen.facepalm He's created everything from simple paper, to a f#cking Starship the size of New york and even empowered/depowered high herald level characters. So why the hell can't he create a chunk of kryptonite out of thin air? 🙄 Contrary to popular belief (Or in other words the rampant stupidity that floods this thread) Ds's Superman showings aren't accurate representations of how he would fair against other characters, especially those in the Marvel Universe. To say if "Superman can do it so can tSS/Thor/Thanos etc" is as asinine as saying "if John Cena can beat this guy, So can Samoa Joe/Aj Styles/ blah blah,". Even though those particular characters wouldn't match up the same outside of their respected universes. Which brings me to my next point.
6.Darkseids has been portrayed as Supes secondary archenemy ever since Superman the Animated series. Yes the same Superman that's the flagship character of the Dcu and has beaten or held his own against a few transcendent levelers. It's natural that he loses to Supes on a few occasions.
7. Even with those low showings taken into consideration, Ds has one shotted virtually every other mid to high herald character in the Dcu.
I'm pretty sure that all these points I made will either go ignored, or poorly retorted by Quanchi. I don't give a flying f#ck, if so many nimrods cling to the same old shit after this long nothing I can say will change their opinions I suppose. [/B]
👆 Yes, though it will be completly ignored by the pro-Thanos fraction, it's their only way to put him over Darkseid. Lowball Darkseid with Superman, lowball Superman with other Heralds...
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeRaker, Orion, and the Doomsday curb of Darkseid also seem to spring to mind on top of batman rocking him as well. It isn't just Superman there are other examples I mean even Black Adam seemed to do better against the Spectre than Darkseid who was oneshotted to the bone.
👆 Yes, though it will be completly ignored by the pro-Thanos fraction, it's their only way to put him over Darkseid. Lowball Darkseid with Superman, lowball Superman with other Heralds...
Originally posted by quanchi112
Raker, Orion, and the Doomsday curb of Darkseid also seem to spring to mind on top of batman rocking him as well. It isn't just Superman there are other examples I mean even Black Adam seemed to do better against the Spectre than Darkseid who was oneshotted to the bone.
Batman rocking him? wallbash
Batman shot a severely weakened Darkseid him with a bullet made of the one substance fatal to New Gods.
and don't you dare bring the Spectre into this. Not only does he have nothing to do with any of these characters, everyone knows his power fluctuates wildly from pathetic to godly. Besides, what the %#! does Black Adam fighting Spectre have to do with any of the characters here? Are baseless and irrelevant comparisons the only thing you've got?
Originally posted by CogitoDarkseid wasn't weakened he just got his powers back.
Batman rocking him? wallbashBatman shot a severely weakened Darkseid him with a bullet made of the one substance fatal to New Gods.
and don't you dare bring the Spectre into this. Not only does he have nothing to do with any of these characters, everyone knows his power fluctuates wildly from pathetic to godly. Besides, what the %#! does Black Adam fighting Spectre have to do with any of the characters here? Are baseless and irrelevant comparisons the only thing you've got?
The comparison of Black Adam to Darkseid's performance against the Spectre speaks volumes to me. Every character varies from writer to writer it's just another thing you want to ignore. I just wanted to illustrate the point it isn't just Superman who makes darkseid look bad.
Originally posted by Cogito
Batman rocking him? wallbashBatman shot a severely weakened Darkseid him with a bullet made of the one substance fatal to New Gods.
and don't you dare bring the Spectre into this. Not only does he have nothing to do with any of these characters, everyone knows his power fluctuates wildly from pathetic to godly. Besides, what the %#! does Black Adam fighting Spectre have to do with any of the characters here? Are baseless and irrelevant comparisons the only thing you've got?
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People will also bring Orion into this but they will ignore that it's his destiny to kill Darkseid. Like Drax was Thanos kryptonite so is Orion the weakness of Darkseid in the end.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeOrion already killed Darkseid so destiny was already achieved. Drax was stated on panel to be his silver bullet unlike Orion who did so by sheer force not like he was created to kill Darkseid just that he was powerful enough to do so. Drax was created for the sole purpose of destroying Thanos so it's not comparable either.
😂People will also bring Orion into this but they will ignore that it's his destiny to kill Darkseid. Like Drax was Thanos kryptonite so is Orion the weakness of Darkseid in the end.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So, basically, what I hear is:Darkseid's losses to Superman are PIS
and/or
It's okay for Superman to beat Darkseid occasionally due to Superman's status and power level. No other high herald can replicate the same victories though because they clearly aren't Superman.
Basically.
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
3. The other is.........drum roll folks.......[b]the lowest showing in his entire history. In Apokolips Now he looked liked a piece of shit and even begged liked a homeless crack whore. It was not only a disgraceful display of his power, it was practically out of character.[/B]