Who can beat Galactus?

Originally posted by Naija boy
Pretty much. it takes quite a bit of reaching to project shields onto thanos seeing as such was never mentioned, and the supposed shields would be inconsistent with how thanos's shields are usually portrayed, AND even inconsistent with how his shields were portrayed in that very same arc.

It's comic book fact that artists choose to draw shields and sometimes they don't. And that holds true within the same storyline that has different artists.

Secret Wars had two main artists and one drew Doom's shields, the other didn't. But Doom had to have them on both times because in the former he got caught in Beyonder's blast and the latter he got wrecked by Galactus.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
... how can you expect completely different artists to draw the shields the same exact way within the arc? Had it been Angel Medina drawing them consistently throughout, you'd have a point.

It's comic book fact that artists choose to draw shields and sometimes they don't. And that holds true within the same storyline that has different artists.

Secret Wars had two main artists and one drew Doom's shields, the other didn't. But Doom had to have them on both times because in the former he got caught in Beyonder's blast and the latter he got wrecked by Galactus.

Thats true i didnt realize it was different artists.

But unlike the case with Doom where we could infer that Doom necessarilly had to have them on in order to have survived both blasts given his power level, Such an inference would not work with Thanos and we would need more conclusive evidence to definitively
assert that he used shields against Odin.

There is also the issue of Thanos normally activating his shields even when they are ot explicitly shown, which is also inconsistent with this scene.

^ ... that's a self-serving standard ripe for abuse.

So since it's possible Doom's armor could withstand the combined attack of Magneto, Iron Man AND Wonder Man, and we don't clearly see his shields... we should automatically assume Doom had his shields off...

... so we can have a neat armor feat? (Doom was fine btw)

No. Just... no. Projecting some idiotic lapse in judgment on Doom's part is exactly the kind of thing we need less of around here. It's feat aggrandization at the cost of character assasination imo.

Doom's activated his shields consciously as well, people don't run around with force-fields all the time when they're taking a dump or simply holding a conversation. That's an unextraordinary statement of fact.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No one else sees it either.

You mean that the people who agree with you don't see it.

I used an example from the same arc d from every other arc where he uses a shield.

Different artist.

Him tanking a blast with no mention of a shield or nothing drawn as one cracking because you're an asgardian fanboy.

No one in their right mind believes that Thanos could no-sell a blast from Odin without shields and/or technological assistance.

You're also not clever enough to even make a convincing argument.

You mean aside from posting the scan and pointing to the shield depicted in the artwork.

An army of ants defeated Odin and asgard minus Thor. There's nothin gincorrect about that statement. The fact you can't even tell me shows me your bluffing and that you aren't evenfamiliar with the appearance.

I'm familiar enough to know that it was Sssthgar and his lizardmen who defeated Asgard, not the ant-like Vrellnexians. Sssthar told a tale to Thor that it was the Vrellnexians (who were partners, but not the combatants), which was not the case. The ant-people double-crossed Sssthgar after Asgard's defeat and stranded them there..

So again you have no proof the eye lied about this particular incident and your logic is since Mephisto is a known liar he has never told the truth kinda thing. There's nothing to any of your arguments.

Are we agreed that the Eye is a liar, and was lying about numerous elements in the 'history' he was presenting to Thor?

It's stated on panel to be a part of his power.

Do you concede that Galactus would lose badly to nine Celestials without the Ultimate Nullifier?

His power is also scientifically based whereas Odin is moreso dive in nature.

Correct. Odin was drawing power from his reserve of magic, and Thanos was drawing power from his science (technology) to aid him in battle. Thanos was very much linked to his technology, as evidenced by his attempt to imprison Odin in a block of force.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ ... that's a self-serving standard ripe for abuse.

So since it's possible Doom's armor could withstand the combined attack of Magneto/Iron Man AND Wonder Man, and we don't clearly see his shields... we should automatically assume Doom had his shields off...

... so we can have a neat armor feat? (Doom was fine btw)

No. Just... no. Projecting some idiotic lapse in judgment on Doom's part is exactly the kind of thing we need less of around here. It's feat aggrandization at the cost of character assasination imo.

Doom's activated his shields consciously as well, people don't run around with force-fields all the time when they're taking a dump or simply holding a conversation. That's an unextraordinary statement of fact.

...As opposed to assuming that anytime Doom/Thanos takes some form of assault or attack they have them on?.... This isnt projecting a lapse in judgement onto the character, rather its refusing to project actions not indicated on panel onto the character to accomodate our
own fanmade assumptions. Its taking the panel as its presented vs taking the panel as we think it ought to be.

Characters with shields sometimes dont use them. This is comicbook fact as characters ultimately dont always use their powers in the most efficient of ways.

If this type of reasoning is to be applied and taken to its logical conclusion, it would lead to the assumption that characters like Thanos always use shields whenever they are attacked because it is the most efficient form of defense even if these shields are not shown/indicated/mentioned. This is in an of itself of projection of a form of supercompetence onto the character that just does not exist within comicdom in even the smartest of characters.

Originally posted by Naija boy
...As opposed to assuming that anytime Doom/Thanos takes some form of assault attack he has them on? This isnt projecting a lapse in judgement onto the character, rather its refusing to project actions not indicated on panel onto the character to accomodate our
own fanmade assumptions. Its taking the panel as its presented vs taking the panel as we think it ought to be.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Characters with shields sometimes dont use them. This is comicbook fact as characters ultimately dont always use their powers in the most efficient of ways.

Originally posted by Naija boy
If this type of reasoning is to be applied and taken to its logical conclusion, it would lead to the assumption that characters like Thanos always use shields whenever they are attacked because it is the most efficient form of defense even if these shields are not shown/indicated/mentioned. This is in an of itself of projection of a form of supercompetence onto the character that just does not exist within comicdom.

If you really believe it is out of character for Thanos to use his shields, then I can't argue with your personally held beliefs, I'll just use them against you. But I'd be shocked if this is the case.

That's apologist nonsense. Thanos would never let himself get batted around with such impunity without shields. He wasn't testing his battle armor against Odin and Tyrant. He was testing his full might like he and Warlock state outright.

Thats fallacious circular reasoning. Your assuming that Thanos would never let himself be batted around without shields. and since he was batted around he must have used shields, when we are trying to esablish from the panel whether he used shields or not. Its equivalent to saying "Superman not holding back would annihilate Wonderwoman, and since he didnt annihilate wonderwoman, he must have been holding back".This isnt good reasoning at all.

So your logical solution is to accept that Thanos is incompetent since he's only clearly used his shields... what... 4 times ever? If you really believe it is out of character for Thanos to use his shields, then I can't argue with your personally held beliefs, I'll just use them against you. But I'd be shocked if this is the case.

No thats mischaracterizing my position. Not being supercompetent in which he uses shields everytime he is attacked=/= as being incompetent. Of course its in character for Thanos to use shields and he has indsiputably used them before in comics. In character=/= to using that ability everytime it would be useful

^ Except there's a ridiculous amount of evidence that Thanos would not permit himself to be tossed around like a crack whore and that he uses his technology in fights. There's not a ridiculous amount of evidence that Superman would annihilate Wonder Woman (if anything, there's contrary evidence).

No. Thanos has used them like, 4 times ever. So it's not in character for him. He's just that incompetent. Or cocky. Whatever you want to justify a body armor durability feat. Retarded. But unfortunately those are your options. You want the art to completely dictate feats, even where such artistic subjects are at the complete whims of artists? Fine. They completely dictate fighting habits as well. Thanos barely uses his shields in fights because they've been drawn clearly 4 times ever.

Thanos isn't Iron Man or Dr. Doom who almost always use their force-fields. Essentially, he'd use them even less than Surfer'd use them because for Thanos it is exceedingly rare. Fine.

Originally posted by Wodenson
You mean that the people who agree with you don't see it.

Different artist.

No one in their right mind believes that Thanos could no-sell a blast from Odin without shields and/or technological assistance.

You mean aside from posting the scan and pointing to the shield depicted in the artwork.

I'm familiar enough to know that it was Sssthgar and his lizardmen who defeated Asgard, not the ant-like Vrellnexians. Sssthar told a tale to Thor that it was the Vrellnexians (who were partners, but not the combatants), which was not the case. The ant-people double-crossed Sssthgar after Asgard's defeat and stranded them there..

Are we agreed that the Eye is a liar, and was lying about numerous elements in the 'history' he was presenting to Thor?

Do you concede that Galactus would lose badly to nine Celestials without the Ultimate Nullifier?

Correct. Odin was drawing power from his reserve of magic, and Thanos was drawing power from his science (technology) to aid him in battle. Thanos was very much linked to his technology, as evidenced by his attempt to imprison Odin in a block of force.

It's up to the writer then to make it clear when shielding is used. There is nothing even alluding to shields being used. Nothing.

There is no shield there and at no point to we see a shield cracked or mentioned as being destroyed.

The ants actually defeated Odin in battle. It's on panel we see Odin charging to meet them head on and losing. It's right on panel. Geez stuff you see on panel you deny and things you can't see you tell me are there. LOL.

I don't care if the eye has lied before you need proof to suggest this was a lie and considering the steps Odin takes to meet them head on what leads you to believe this was a lie ? Is the writer here purposely misleading the reader ?

No, I don't. But I can see him winning within the same time frame Odin had and with his own personal tech.

All his power is linked though through his person and even in the same exact issue we see him break through the force block so what leads you to believe the same artist would make this clear but keep the shield invisible whereas the writer also kept it a secret.

Logic and reasoning 101.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Except there's a ridiculous amount of evidence that Thanos would not permit himself to be tossed around like a crack whore and that he uses his technology in fights. There's not a ridiculous amount of evidence that Superman would annihilate Wonder Woman (if anything, there's contrary evidence). No. Thanos has used them 4 times ever. So it's not in character for him. He's just that incompetent. Or cocky. Whatever you want.

All for the sake of a body armor durability feat. Retarded. But unfortunately those are your options.

Yes Thanos uses his technology in fights. That does not validate assumptions that he must have been using this particular form of technology in this fight despite no form of on panel indication. That does not validate this type of circular reasoning in the same way Superman having done better against other foes while going all out
does not validate the belief that he wasnt going all out against Wonderman. Both still reek of fallacy.

And yes it is in character for him (though im not sure what your threshold for in character is). Im pretty sure he has used some form of shields more than 4 times though i cant be bothered to count. Even then, In character =/= use everytime he is attacked and that is what your position necessitates as well as implying that Thanos has used shields even when they have not been portrayed virtually everytime he has been attacked....thats pretty far fetched to say the least

Edit: Additionally, the art in addition to other form of on panel indications (not only the art) should dictate feats. Since they are after all the medium through which the character is being portrayed. Subjective fan opinions of a characters level of competence in the employment of specific battle tactics hold no weight in comparison.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Except there's a ridiculous amount of evidence that Thanos would not permit himself to be tossed around like a crack whore and that he uses his technology in fights. There's not a ridiculous amount of evidence that Superman would annihilate Wonder Woman (if anything, there's contrary evidence).

No. Thanos has used them like, 4 times ever. So it's not in character for him. He's just that incompetent. Or cocky. Whatever you want to justify a body armor durability feat. Retarded. But unfortunately those are your options. You want the art to completely dictate feats, even where such artistic subjects are at the complete whims of artists? Fine. They completely dictate fighting habits as well. Thanos barely uses his shields in fights because they've been drawn clearly 4 times ever.

Thanos isn't Iron Man or Dr. Doom who almost always use their force-fields. Essentially, he'd use them even less than Surfer'd use them because for Thanos it is exceedingly rare. Fine.

Thanos is very intelligent but no he doesn't use shielding in every arc just like Odin doesn't grow to gigantic proportions in every arc. That doesn't mean it isn't in character when the time comes for that to believe he must do so. This is all common sense type stuff.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Yes Thanos uses his technology in fights. That does not validate assumptions that he must have been using this particular form of technology in this fight despite no form of on panel indication. That does not validate this type of circular reasoning in the same way Superman having done better against other foes while going all out
does not validate the belief that he wasnt going all out against Wonderman. Both still reek of fallacy.

Originally posted by Naija boy
And yes it is in character for him (though im not sure what your threshold for in character is). Im pretty sure he has used some form of shields more than 4 times though i cant be bothered to count. Even then, In character =/= use everytime he is attacked and that is what your position necessitates as while as implying that Thanos has used shields even when they have not been portrayed virtually everytime he has been attacked....thats pretty far fetched to say the least

You want to hold to the ridonkulous maxim that it must be clearly shown he is using shields for him to have used shields? Then his career is rife with him simply not using them. That's how the evidence bears out. It's out of character for him. He's either that incompetent or that cocky. You live and die by your own standards of evidence it seems. Because it's clear you object to not being able to have your cake and eat it too.

@Onedumbgo

So despite havning no proof you continue on to suggest Thanos doesn't use shields when necessary and to ignore the fact that Thanos wasn't getting slapped around there was minimal to no damage in a tug of war while only at the end did Odin gain a slight advantage after Thanos waded through a concentrated blast. Thanos barely moved and showed no signs of physical damage until the end and even then we've seen him look far worse and actually triumph before.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The ants actually defeated Odin in battle. It's on panel we see Odin charging to meet them head on and losing.

That's what Sssthgar told Thor, that's not what actually happened. The Vrellnexians did not have a significant fighting force (compared to Sssthgar's 100+ soldiers). They were allied slave traders. Thor and a few Asgardians mopped the floor with them in short order. It was then that the lizard-men were revealed to be the real threat, and that the Vrellnexians had left the invasion force on Asgard after the battle to sell the slaves.

It was a bad showing for Odin regardless. It's just that your facts are wrong.

I don't care if the eye has lied before you need proof to suggest this was a lie and considering the steps Odin takes to meet them head on what leads you to believe this was a lie ? Is the writer here purposely misleading the reader ?

Nope. However, the Eye was revealed to be a liar in retrospect. He was intentionally misleading Thor throughout the story.

No, I don't.

You don't concede that Galactus would lose to nine Celestials without the Nullifier?

All his power is linked though through his person and even in the same exact issue we see him break through the force block so what leads you to believe the same artist would make this clear but keep the shield invisible whereas the writer also kept it a secret.

The force-field was not kept a secret. There is a very clear curve preventing the blast from reaching Thanos. Odin exerted himself a bit more, which broke the shield.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He used tech, he asked for Drax and Surfer to his side, he took advantage of all sorts of things, but just decided to leave his shields off. Even when he's getting slapped around like a whore. The only fallacy here is assuming that Thanos, while taking advantage of both tech and allies and coming against a superior foe and having his limits tested, would conveniently leave his shields off and countenance getting b1tchslapped up and down Asgard. Nope. Thanos has been attacked numerous times and he barely uses shields. Runner, Kosmos, Tyrant, Mar-Vell, Drax (several times), Surfer (several times), Thing, Starfox, Ganymede, Gamora, etc.

I dont see how in the world you can try to infer shields onto a panel where nothing was indicated based on your assesment of Thanos apparent battle competence. Especially when that would necessitate that Thanos used shields in virtually every battle he has had....which is itself patently false. Ive already explained why this is heavy circular reasoning and simply a case of fan projection of supercompetence onto a comic character when this is just not the case in comics. The issue you are making about Thanos conveniently leaving his shields off is a non-issue. Characters many times "conveniently forget" to use abilities that they have shown to use in the past all the time. They arent the supercompetent battle tacticians that fans would like them to be.

Oh and I certainly dont believe that thanos used shields in all those instances you are referencing. And I dont think he needs to have used them all those times for it to be in character. I still do think its more than 4 times.
Off the top of my head: Maker,Thor,Champion,Galactus,Omega,Fallen one and i think there are others. Now for me that passes the threshold of times used in order for it to be in order for it to character

You want to hold to the ridonkulous maxim that it must be clearly shown he is using shields for him to have used shields? Then his career is rife with him simply not using them. It's out of character. He's either that incompetent or that cocky. You live and die by your own standards of evidence it seems. Because it's clear you object to not being able to have your cake and eat it too.

The method of circular reasoning that necessitates supercompetence as opposed to on panel indication, that you seem to favor is far more "ridonkulous" to borrow your vocabulary but yes I accept that by your threshold of what is in character (which differs starkly from mine and most other people's for that matter) then it would probably be out of chracter for thanos, because i certainly dont believe that he has used shields (shown or unshown) in the vast majority of his showings like you are trying to insinuate. Im not trying to have my cake and eat it at all. I prefer simply reading comics as they are presented without bringing in my own ill-conceived projections.

Originally posted by Naija boy
I dont see how in the world you can try to infer shields onto a panel where nothing was indicated based on your assesment of Thanos apparent battle competence. Especially when that would necessitate that Thanos used shields in virtually every battle he has had....which is itself patently false. Ive already explained why this is heavy circular reasoning and simply a case of fan projection of supercompetence onto a comic character when this is just not the case in comics. The issue you are making about Thanos conveniently leaving his shields off is a non-issue. Characters many times "conveniently forget" to use abilities that they have shown to use in the past all the time. They arent the supercompetent battle tacticians that fans would like them to be.

You: "Thanos doesn't use forcefields unelss it's clearly shown he activated them!"

Me: *Cue Thanos not activating against opponents for the vast vast majority of his career.*

You: "That doesn't matter! He'd still use them all the time in hypothetical fights!"

Awesome job demanding clear evidence and then completely ignoring the consequences of that clear evidence.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Oh and I certainly dont believe that thanos used shields in all those instances you are referencing. And I dont think he needs to have used them all those times for it to be in character. I still do think its more than 4 times.
Off the top of my head: Maker,Thor,Champion,Galactus,Omega,Fallen one and i think there are others. Now for me that passes the threshold of times used in order for it to be in order for it to character

Originally posted by Naija boy
The method of circular reasoning that necessitates supercompetence as opposed to on panel indication, that you seem to favor is far more "ridonkulous" to borrow your vocabulary but yes I accept that by your threshold of what is in character (which differs starkly from mine and most other people's for that matter) then it would probably be out of chracter for thanos, because i certainly dont believe that he has used shields (shown or unshown) in the vast majority of his showings like you are trying to insinuate. Im not trying to have my cake and eat it at all. I prefer simply reading comics as they are presented without bringing in my own ill-conceived projections.

You want clear evidence and ask us all to be beholden to it? In spite of a character's personality, the plot and common sense? Fine. It's clearly evident Thanos doesn't use his force-fields the vast majority of his career when he gets into fights. And maybe that's rightly so. After all, most every time he's used them, they've been shredded. Maybe they just suck.

Anyway, you ruminate on your own time about this catch-22 you've set up for yourself for the sake of one body armor durability feat. For that one feat you unintentinally assassinated Thanos' character, i.e., Thanos rarely uses shields. Have fun with it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And it's clearly not a non-issue. Because that's just where your ridiculous demands for clear evidence begin chipping away at your own sensibilities concerning Thanos.

You: "Thanos doesn't use forcefields unelss it's clearly shown he activated them!"

Me: *Cue Thanos not activating against opponents for the vast vast majority of his career.*

You: "That doesn't matter! He'd still use them all the time in hypothetical fights!"

Im sorry but this level of deliberate mischaracterization is unbecoming of you and pretty weak. I acknowledged that he doesnt use them in a vast majority of his fights. You on the other hand seem to want to infer that he does based off your notions of his battle competence which is itself a nonsensical proposition. The the"hypothetical fights" being discussed have a "best of their abilities clause" which I and many others believe validate the use of powers that have been displayed a sufficient amount of times even if not in every appearance of the character. Im not ignoring the consequences of anything and all these attempts at mischaracterizing my arguments in order to validate your fallacy ridden reasoning are not going to fool anybody.

don't recall him using it against Maker. Thanos almost never uses force-fields. He's used them about as often as Loki's used them. Which is rarely. Loki, at least, has an excuse since he goes intangible all the time. Thanos doesn't. If it's not incompetence, then its confidence. That's his career and his personality.

He used a partial energy forcefield against the maker as I recall. Oh and yes thanos doesnt use forcefield with the frequency of an Iron man or a magneto. Irrelevant as i dont believe he needs to in order for it to be viable for him on the forum. Call it incompetence call it confidence, call it whatever you want that helps you sleep at night. As long as you use the same term to describe every other character who conveniently forgets to use powers they have displayed multiple times then there is no issue.

It's not circular reasoning. I'm just taking your absolutist standards for evidence and applying it to character propensity. It's clear Thanos doesn't use his shields for the vast vast majority of his fights. Even against opponents that are clearly above him. You want clear evidence and ask us all to be beholden to it? In spite of a character's personality, the plot and common sense? Fine. It's clearly evident Thanos doesn't use his force-fields the vast majority of his career when he gets into fights. And maybe that's rightly so. After all, everytime he's used them, they've been shredded. Maybe they just suck.

It is circular reasoning indisputably as you have assumed your conclusion and are attempting to use it to establish the initial premise. If a specific ability that a character has is not at all indicated as being used on panel, then no im not going to give him the benefit of the doubt, ignore whats presented in the comic, and assume he uses it everytime he is attacked. That sort of hogwash when taken to its logical conclusion gives room to all sorts of fanboyish projections and delusions. Id rather not ignore whats on panel in favour of my own perception of what a character should be like. That goes against common sense . As does this entire discussion. I refuse to be further drawn into this farce concerning whether we should contravene on panel depictions with our own ill-conceived notions. Assasinating thanos character my ass. A characters personality is defined by what he does on panel not your skewed perception of him. Im done with this nonsense.

Originally posted by Wodenson
That's what Sssthgar told Thor, that's not what actually happened. The Vrellnexians did not have a significant fighting force (compared to Sssthgar's 100+ soldiers). They were allied slave traders. Thor and a few Asgardians mopped the floor with them in short order. It was then that the lizard-men were revealed to be the real threat, and that the Vrellnexians had left the invasion force on Asgard after the battle to sell the slaves.

It was a bad showing for Odin regardless. It's just that your facts are wrong.

Nope. However, the Eye was revealed to be a liar in retrospect. He was intentionally misleading Thor throughout the story.

You don't concede that Galactus would lose to nine Celestials without the Nullifier?

The force-field was not kept a secret. There is a very clear curve preventing the blast from reaching Thanos. Odin exerted himself a bit more, which broke the shield.

So you have no proof this was a lie just that he has lied before ? You don't see the problem here. I'm sure you have lied before so does that mean everything that comes forth is a lie ? The writer didn't mislead us this was shown and backed up by Odin's battle with the Celestials and made pretty clear. Odin did prep for the Celestials so what makes u think what the eye showed us is untrue ?

I don't know ho wit would play out especially since hyperspace can be used to exploit Celestials. I also just recently saw Galactus along with the celestials as peers in the cancerverse.

No, that is just Thanos tanking the blast and in the next scene we don't see a shield broken like we do when Odin breaks through the force block. You can't make a claim without any evidence and every other Thanos shield is either mentioned or clearly drawn.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Im sorry but this level of deliberate mischaracterization is unbecoming of you and pretty weak. I acknowledged that he doesnt use them in a vast majority of his fights. You on the other hand seem to want to infer that he does based off your notions of his battle competence which is itself a nonsensical proposition. The the"hypothetical fights" being discussed have a "best of their abilities clause" which I and many others believe validate the use of powers that have been displayed a sufficient amount of times even if not in every appearance of the character. Im not ignoring the consequences of anything and all these attempts at mischaracterizing my arguments in order to validate your fallacy ridden reasoning are not going to fool anybody.

Originally posted by Naija boy
He used a partial energy forcefield against the maker as I recall. Oh and yes thanos doesnt use forcefield with the frequency of an Iron man or a magneto. Irrelevant as i dont believe he needs to in order for it to be viable for him on the forum. Call it incompetence call it confidence, call it whatever you want that helps you sleep at night. As long as you use the same term to describe every other character who conveniently forgets to use powers they have displayed multiple times then there is no issue.

Originally posted by Naija boy
It is circular reasoning indisputably as you have assumed your conclusion and are attempting to use it to establish the initial premise. If a specific ability that a character has is not at all indicated as being used on panel, then no im not going to give him the benefit of the doubt, ignore whats presented in the comic, and assume he uses it everytime he is attacked. That sort of hogwash when taken to its logical conclusion gives room to all sorts of fanboyish projections and delusions. Id rather not ignore whats on panel in favour of my own perception of what a character should be like. That goes against common sense . As does this entire discussion. I refuse to be further drawn into this farce concerning whether we should contravene on panel depictions with our own ill-conceived notions. Assasinating thanos character my ass. A characters personality is defined by what he does on panel not your skewed perception of him. Im done with this nonsense.

... and then wholly ignore the unintentional consequences of those demands when applied to character propensity. Hypocrisy. I couldn't care less about your standards. I've got my own and I apply them. Which is why you don't see me parading around Doom's invisible force-fields and trying to pretend they're shut down for no reason whatsoever and pass them off as armor durability feats.

But here, against you and anybody else that pretends otherwise, Thanos doesn't use his force-fields consistently. In fact, he rarely uses them. Even when he's getting batted around and pummeled by foes like Odin and Tyrant (because he forgot... I guess). It must be his nature. And CIS is still on. Until you prove to me that Thanos uses his forcefields ALL THE TIME, he's not using them all the time in a normal PIS off, CIS on fight. Deal with it.

Bottom-line: I have evidence that Thanos leaves them off (intentionally or unintentionally) the vast majority of the time he fights. If that offends your delicate sensibilities about Thanos, because you expect him to not fight like a complete idiot, then maybe you should re-examine your absolutist demands for a clearly drawn force-field in his on-panel fights when we both know and understand that many artists DON'T draw forcefields.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Them being bigger threat doesn't undermine the ants actually beating Odin and his forces on panel.

The "on panel" you are talking about is a false story, told by Sssthgar to get Thor and the Asgardians to attack the ant-people for stranding them on Asgard.

So you have no proof this was a lie just that he has lied before ?

I have proof that the Eye of Odin was telling Thor lies. It's not like these are two or three separate occasions. The Eye was telling Thor one big story full of lies. On the page prior to Odin attacking Arishem, he gave a false account of his own origin.

Two pages after Odin attacked Arishem, there is a false account of the Odinsword's creation told by the Eye of Odin.

ou can't make a claim without any evidence and every other Thanos shield is either mentioned or clearly drawn.

It was clearly drawn, and it was mentioned that Thanos was tapping into his technology.