Thing is Luke beat Vader (in Sabers at least). I have a hard time putting AOTC Anakin above that level in swordplay.
Luke also took down Boba Fett and Jabba's guards pretty easily.
As for his TK, with a mere gesture he Force Choked 2 Gamorrean guards simultaneously with incredible ease.
As for experience. Anakin has 10 years, Luke had 4. I dnt find it difficult to believe an Adult Luke(possibly more serious about his training) could learn what kid Anakin did in less than half the time.
^ Luke didn't "take down" Boba Fett, he chopped his blaster in half. That's it.
Anyway, RotJ Luke wins the force match, AotC Anakin wins the others, imo. Anakin was technically skilled enough to give Dooku a much better fight than most Knights/Masters ever did (a fact further supported by the novelization.)
RotJ Luke, on the other hand, was flailing his lightsaber around at Vader like Stevie Wonder at batting practice- there appeared to be very little technical skill associated with his combat style. Having said that, I don't see him lasting more than a few seconds against Dooku, before being easily dealt with.
Luke seems more collected and in control, and I think he's pulled some more impressive feats in the ESB-RotJ period than AotC> Anakin.
Anakin has shown far more proficiency with a blade though, and I don't believe Luke's Force skills to be so far advanced that he won't be overwhelmed by Anakin's superior bladework.
Originally posted by Galan007
^ from what we saw on screen, Luke appeared to be more advanced with the force.
What have we seen onscreen from RotJ Luke that's so impressive compared to Anakin? Him lifting C3PO w/ the Force or using it to retrieve his lightsaber? I've seen nothing at all from Luke at this point that impresses me.
^ JT Luke's Force Choke of those 2 guards was pretty impressive IMO..
It wasn't just the fact that he choked them, but how easily he did it, merely by pointing at them, and the fact that he did it to 2 of them simultaneously.
The question is what did Anakin show as of AOTC? The only thing I remember was he chucked a few dead and stationary droids in the droid factory. Not much more impressive than levitating C-3PO around on his chair.
I would also assume considering his training with Yoda that he would not be calling himself a Jedi Knight until he could levitate an X-Wing. Just an assumption but he would be pretty arrogant calling himself a Jedi Kinght to Jabba the Hutt and Chewbacca before he could do that considering Yoda said to him in ESB "That is WHY you fail!"
As for the close combat lets not forget how fast Luke was in ESB (the incredible leap). Apparantly a similar jump is a deleted scene in ROTJ (against the Rancor). Iv not seen Anakin as of AOTC move that fast.
Big ***king deal if he choked two guards. Yeah, Anakin couldn't do that... right? Wait, he has already demonstrated his choking ability before the Clone Wars even began. And there is nothing but conjecture concerning Luke's ability to levitate an x-wing. As far as his close quarters combat, his little league baseball form will not help him here. Anakin also guided himself with the Force while falling hundreds, maybe thousands of feet, through multiple layers of cross traffic, while chasing Zam. I've not seen Luke do that. Point is, they both have different feats, and nothing Luke has done at this point makes me think he is superior to Anakin as far as Force aptitude goes. And really, with sabers, it's not much of a contest.
Originally posted by Nephthys
According to some things Lucien posted Luke appears to have been legitimately keeping up with Vader in lightsabers. Unless I am misremembering, that would elevate him way above Anakin imo.When did he demonstrate choking ability?
I dunno, some damn comic or novel. It's canon though. And keeping up w/ Vader is a FAR stretch from giving one of the greatest swordsmen EVER a decent run.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
I dunno, some damn comic or novel. It's canon though.
Be nice to see some evidence for it. To my knowledge the first time Anakin uses force choke is in the Clone Wars.
And keeping up w/ Vader is a FAR stretch from giving one of the greatest swordsmen EVER a decent run.
So Luke didn't give "one of the greatest swordsmen EVER a decent run"... I seem to recall him defeating Vader.
Originally posted by NephthysLuke was legitimately overwhelming Vader's saber defenses. He won that fight fair and square.
According to some things Lucien posted Luke appears to have been legitimately keeping up with Vader in lightsabers. Unless I am misremembering, that would elevate him way above Anakin imo.
I just can't harmonize the vast difference between the visuals of both G-canon sources. Judging strictly by movies, Vader slowed down considerably in that suit, which would explain Luke's victory. AotC Anakin is portrayed as faster and more skilled, end of story. But he's supposed to be less skilled.