Originally posted by Turr_PhennirObi-Wan still lost, Anakin won, and Home Run Luke beat Darth F*cking Vader. I never thought I'd dislike such an important addition in a movie's novelization, but... f*ck RotJ's narrative.
Tapping into one's rage can make an otherwise lopsided fight decisive for the underdog. Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Luke have all experienced fortuitous indulgences of rage.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Which makes it all the more gay that he beat Vader legit.
I will never accept this. It just rings of wrong on so many levels. Hell, half of the suspense of the movie fight was suspecting that dad was taking the fall for his son, making his redemption more accepting and dramatic. To find out that he just sucks after all these years, beat by a padawan-level Force user, is sad. That's like Rambo being taken out by Beatle Bailey.
Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
No, he really doesn't. Vader was conflicted and Luke was being empowered by the dark side. It's a frighteningly easy concept that spares Vader denigration [b]and comports itself with canon, so I think we should go with that. uhuh [/B]
I find myself agreeing with this. Vader doesn't suck, and Luke isn't uber.
Life is so much simpler now. Thank you.
I said "ignore all evidence."
In ESB, Luke fights against Vader but is highly outclassed. In AOTC, Anakin fights Dooku but is highly outclassed.
In ROTJ and ROTS, both Anakin and Luke tap into rage to defeat these earlier opponents. Though we see the difference between them in the ultimate results.
Perhaps it's because of the cinematography of the older days, but I feel Luke was intended to be AOTC Anakin's level in ESB. And intended to be ROTS Anakin's level in ROTJ. Of course, once you include evidence, then it is quite otherwise.
But the parallels are there.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
I said "ignore all evidence."In ESB, Luke fights against Vader but is highly outclassed. In AOTC, Anakin fights Dooku but is highly outclassed.
In ROTJ and ROTS, both Anakin and Luke tap into rage to defeat these earlier opponents. Though we see the difference between them in the ultimate results.
Perhaps it's because of the cinematography of the older days, but I feel Luke was intended to be AOTC Anakin's level in ESB. And intended to be ROTS Anakin's level in ROTJ. Of course, once you include evidence, then it might be otherwise.
I note the obvious and no doubt intended similarities, but I still protest the idea of ESB Luke being on par with a Jedi of ten years' training. Evidence or no, it just doesn't fit.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
When does training from a young age ever matter in the Skywalker family?
Padawans can deflect blaster bolts.
ANH Luke can't.
Padawans can grab light sabers and go toe-to-toe with Maul in the case of Obi-Wan, who is NOT noted as being a Force prodigy and nearly got a lifetime of Agriculture Corps.
ESB Luke barely can.
Just saying.