Silver Surfer & Thanos vs Flash & Zoom

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Originally posted by leonidas
i would agree that they should be more careful. in their defense, i think they KNOW it's a comicbook, have an exceptional knowledge of their audience, and also likely know (in general) they WON'T be held accountable for these types of errors as these types of errors generally are NOT caught by the audience.
You're probably right. Imagine if the writers were actually trying to be 'realistic' (enough of that over-the-top FTL stuff), but just never thought it through.

They should visit KMC. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by leonidas
imo, he pulled the numbers out of his butt, never bothering to check and assuming the majority of his readers wouldn't either. and i'd think the vast majority never would check. if he erred in the speed, he was adamant about the error. however, your perogative. i choose occam's razor.
This, in a nutshell IMO.

Originally posted by leonidas
imo, he pulled the numbers out of his butt, never bothering to check and assuming the majority of his readers wouldn't either. and i'd think the vast majority never would check. if he erred in the speed, he was adamant about the error. however, your perogative. i choose occam's razor.
He probably didn't have the sense of numbers. Looking at that right away looks like an FTL feat. The thing is if he saved the people that fast, then he did do it.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He probably didn't have the sense of numbers. Looking at that right away looks like an FTL feat. The thing is if he saved the people that fast, then he did do it.
You probably didn't have much sense of logic. Looking at this post right away looks like a dumb post. The thing is if you made a dumb argument, then you did do it.

biscuits

Your calculator's wrong. uhuh

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I can dissect every single one of your straw-mans if you want. But doing so would only serve to counter your thinly veiled insults, which I just don't care about. Because you've done nothing to rebut my argument that each cited quantification can be equally be as wrong as the next.

In fact, you ended up discrediting one of those quantifications definitively with your pleas to utilize the "real world." Heck, I was just trying to say you can't take any of them for granted, not that any particular one of them was conclusively wrong. Ironic, to say the least.

Your conspiracy theories and personal diatribe are boring. I did not claim in that post that the sub light speed quantification is free from doubt. Indeed, it being doubtful, like the others, is the core premise of my unextraordinary conclusion that the feat is speculative, and thus, one interpretation is as justifiable as the next. So your observation is irrelevant.

And make no mistake, I wasn't "passively" discrediting the other numbers. What I was doing was directly and actively discrediting them because of the hypocritical hasty assumptions that they're far freer from doubt than the speed quantification. No, they're not. Especially when we now know [b](i) how the population was off by the hundreds of thousands (taking for granted N. Korea's dubious census results), and (ii) that we apparently have a FTL mushroom cloud forming at million times light speed from the .00001 microsecond timing. [/B]

If Superman is seen lifting a real world Abrams tank (65 tons), as said by the narration, and yet the author thought the actual tank was 10 tons and thus said in the narration, "The 10 ton tank was nothing for the man of steel". So did Superman lift 10 tons or 65 tons? He lifted the 65 tons of course. The writer didn't mean for Superman to lift 10 tons but rather he THOUGHT that Superman lifted 10 tons. His mistake was not knowing the facts about an Abrams tank. In the same vein, the writer didn't mean for flash to go under light speed, but rather HE THOUGHT flash was going under light speed.

There are many feats (like CA supposedly outrunning bullets) where the writer had characters doing things they really don't know the facts about. But if they knew the facts then they would have revised their narration or art. For example, if the writer KNEW Flash had to be going far faster than light to save all those people then he would have said that Flash was moving at countless multiples of the speed of light INSTEAD of just under the speed of light.

let it die

No don't let it die..

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
No don't let it die..

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H1, I won't believe any of what you said until you prove it using math.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He probably didn't have the sense of numbers. Looking at that right away looks like an FTL feat.

to you. not to me when i first read it and not, i would imagine, to most who read the books for the enjoyment of it.

Originally posted by h1a8
If Superman is seen lifting a real world Abrams tank (65 tons), as said by the narration, and yet the author thought the actual tank was 10 tons and thus said in the narration, "The 10 ton tank was nothing for the man of steel". So did Superman lift 10 tons or 65 tons? He lifted the 65 tons of course. The writer didn't mean for Superman to lift 10 tons but rather he THOUGHT that Superman lifted 10 tons. His mistake was not knowing the facts about an Abrams tank. In the same vein, the writer didn't mean for flash to go under light speed, but rather HE THOUGHT flash was going under light speed.

There are many feats (like CA supposedly outrunning bullets) where the writer had characters doing things they really don't know the facts about. But if they knew the facts then they would have revised their narration or art. For example, if the writer KNEW Flash had to be going far faster than light to save all those people then he would have said that Flash was moving at countless multiples of the speed of light INSTEAD of just under the speed of light.


No, if the writer KNEW that was the speed required, he never would have had Flash performing the feat. Obviously, the story was written by someone with the conception that Flash moves at sub-c speeds.

Originally posted by King Kandy
No, if the writer KNEW that was the speed required, he never would have had Flash performing the feat. Obviously, the story was written by someone with the conception that Flash moves at sub-c speeds.

A breath under C is hardly sub-C.. At the very least we know the writer's intention is for Flash to no only run at C speeds, but move, think, react, co-ordinate and manouvre at the Speed of Light as well, which in itself is an incredible feat that very very few comic book heroes and villains will ever be seen doing.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
A breath under C is hardly sub-C.. At the very least we know the writer's intention is for Flash to no only run at C speeds, but move, think, react, co-ordinate and manouvre at the Speed of Light as well, which in itself is an incredible feat that very very few comic book heroes and villains will ever be seen doing.

Under c = sub c.

Originally posted by King Kandy
No, if the writer KNEW that was the speed required, he never would have had Flash performing the feat. Obviously, the story was written by someone with the conception that Flash moves at sub-c speeds.
False. The writer is not going to change a good story that will SELL comics. Rather he would change the narration to fit the feat.

Originally posted by h1a8
False. The writer is not going to change a good story that will SELL comics. Rather he would change the narration to fit the feat.

Prove it.

Originally posted by h1a8
False. The writer is not going to change a good story that will SELL comics. Rather he would change the narration to fit the feat.

You just say anything. I don't understand why people even respond to 90% of the stuff you say.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Prove it.
It's called common sense. Why would a writer choose to not sell comics?

Originally posted by leonidas
to you. not to me when i first read it and not, i would imagine, to most who read the books for the enjoyment of it.
That is fine, but most people who read comics don't know offhand most appearances of any character, or the exact lifting strength of Spider-Man, or how strong Wolverine is. They just know they are guys in costumes who do cool stuff. Casual readers probably think Wolverine would beat Superman up close (if they like him more).

In a casual reading session that's fine, but in a debate we have to look at things closer if we are not used to doing so.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Prove it.
It's called common sense. Why would a writer choose to not sell comics?

Originally posted by carver9
You just say anything. I don't understand why people even respond to 90% of the stuff you say.

turtles ducks too blue. Now that is me saying anything. Otherwise you just said a false statement.