Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
in which scenerio? Because out side of the prep scenerio, blade does not have the tools to win this.
Originally posted by Trackz
Wolverine does that a lot against heroes, it's CIS and would probably happen in the fight where he's not berserk. Also notice Blade never vamps out.
Wolverine blood lusted in several scenerio in this fight, there zero reason for him to hold back. So blade has to hope wolverine holds back while he goes all out? How interesting.
Oh please, u guys say this blade vamps out nonsense all the time, as if he not vamped out means he not trying, which is utterly rediculous. That be like me saying because Wolverine was not berserk, he was not trying. Which is nonsense. Sorry but that is simply a cop out.
Also notice Wolverine never went berserk, works both ways champ. By the way berserk Wolverine would tear blade up with utter ease.
Originally posted by Mr.MxyzptlkThe notion I'm disputing is the unsupported blanket assertion that Wolverine would never lose to an arguably less skillful opponent who has an inferior healing factor.
As I've said previous pages before, I'm just a facilitator for this debate.Just words will not cut it as solid ground in this discussion, you must back up your claims with actual scans and on-panel feats.
And for the record, there is the Sphenoidale right behind each eye and would be coated in adamantium. You can't shoot Wolverine's brain through the eye.
Give me a notion worth spit, and I'll muster up the effort to rebut it.
And for the record, in comics, Wolverine has had his brain penetrated through various points many times, several times through the eye sockets. You can shoot Wolverine's brain through the eye.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0And for the record, in comics, Wolverine has had his brain penetrated through various points many times, several times through the eye sockets. You can shoot Wolverine's brain through the eye.
Writers and artists forgetting or not knowing basic human anatomy in order to try and write what they believe is an interesting and compelling story does not hold ground or water in a debate of hypothetical applications of logic and pop-culture history to determine the winners in a hypothetical battle.
Wolverine has a skeleton coated completely in indestructible adamantium and there is a sheet of bone called the Sphenoidale located behind each eye-ball.
A bullet would not penetrate from behind his eye sockets and thus would never reach his brain.
Shooting through the nasal canal would prove more damaging than shooting through an eye.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
He was weaken state and tired prior to the fight. He even stated that he went 15 rounds with omega red. It was clearly intended that he was not at 100% prior to the start of the fight.Also this is simply wrong, his healing factor does not run off infinity energy, and has been explain several times.
He was brought in and given ample time to prep for wolverine. That is not even remotely the same thing, but thanks for skewering events as always.
No the writer did not admitt that at all. Blade stated nonsense to make him self feel more secure. Wolverine reaction was for him to try it. Clearly not worried at all by blade believes. Not to mention there zero evidence it would have worked. Also wolverine only had to release his claws and blades head would have been bye bye.
Here we go again.
Blade also never vamped out in the fight, which does give him an increase in strength/speed.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
[B]Wolverine 73A month in the life of Wolverine.
He is never getting a full rest before fights, meaning his healing factor has more than adapted to recovering after a short time unless it is ALWAYS taxed, which isn't likely the case. In fact, the Omega Red line was more than likely a reference to what Wolverine had been doing in Origins, meaning it happened in another country and he had just gotten back to America. The "Just got back" line is incredibly ambiguous and since he looks like he is in perfect condition it's probably not as taxing as you want to make it out to be.
E-mail from writer regarding the fight:
The fight was designed to end in a draw -- albeit with Blade having the upper hand, mainly because Wolverine's healing factor makes him virtually unbeatable in this kind of fight.
I've written a Wolverine vs Blade one-shot that hopefully will see the light of day soon.
Hope this answers your question.
Thanks for reading.
Best,
Marc
Second e-mail after I ask if their healing and skill makes them equals.
True, but I figure Logan's claws give him an advantage and his adamantium skeleton makes decapitation almost impossible.
Best,
Marc
I've already agreed to give a moderator my gmail account temporarily if anyone believed this is forged.
Basically your whole spin on the fight is incorrect and it was clearly ceated by the writer to show the two as equals. Noto nly that my the author is penning another Blade vs, Wolverine one-shot, oh but clearly it'll probably just be twenty pages of Wolverine "owning" Blade. Please.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Because he not trying to kill hero's, just like he was not trying to kill blade.Wolverine blood lusted in several scenerio in this fight, there zero reason for him to hold back. So blade has to hope wolverine holds back while he goes all out? How interesting.
Oh please, u guys say this blade vamps out nonsense all the time, as if he not vamped out means he not trying, which is utterly rediculous. That be like me saying because Wolverine was not berserk, he was not trying. Which is nonsense. Sorry but that is simply a cop out.
Also notice Wolverine never went berserk, works both ways champ. By the way berserk Wolverine would tear blade up with utter ease.
You should re-read the thread to see the arguments being made.
You've just said if Wolverine isn't trying to kill his heroes he's holding back. Not only that the whole fight Blade is trying to lure Wolverine close enough so he can use the syringe.
So what you ended your post with contradicts what you're trying to say. Basically just because Wolverine isn't trying to kill he is still performing at his best...but when he is trying to kill he would do better.
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Writers and artists forgetting or not knowing basic human anatomy in order to try and write what they believe is an interesting and compelling story does not hold ground or water in a debate of hypothetical applications of logic and pop-culture history to determine the winners in a hypothetical battle.Wolverine has a skeleton coated completely in indestructible adamantium and there is a sheet of bone called the Sphenoidale located behind each eye-ball.
A bullet would not penetrate from behind his eye sockets and thus would never reach his brain.
Shooting through the nasal canal would prove more damaging than shooting through an eye.
I've explained this to that fool about 100 times now, provided evidence of said bone, as well as examples of Wolverine being shot in the eye with no effect. Examples of Wolverine getting shot in the brain are PIS, and OneDumbGO brings them up because he is an incompetent debater with nothing better to do, I would suggest ignoring him as far as this topic is concerned.
Originally posted by Trackz
By several do you mean 1 out of the 3 scenarios?You should re-read the thread to see the arguments being made.
You've just said if Wolverine isn't trying to kill his heroes he's holding back. Not only that the whole fight Blade is trying to lure Wolverine close enough so he can use the syringe.
So what you ended your post with contradicts what you're trying to say. Basically just because Wolverine isn't trying to kill he is still performing at his best...but when he is trying to kill he would do better.
Yes, wolverine was holding back, when he has to pull in his claws in order to not kill Blade (who not held to the same standards).
No blade wasent, u just like to pretend he was, because u can't grasp the fact he was simply getting his ass kicked. Blade got his ass beat, and then went for his secret weapon in a desperate attempt to win, if he could have put wolverine down other wise he would have, and he did try, but fail miserably. Wolverine also at anypoint in time could have jsut pop his claws and bye bye blades head.
No it doesent, u simply have no grasp of the character. I said Wolverine not being berserk is not Wolverine holding back, nor is blade not vamping out, blade holding back. Both are more then willing to kill either way. U assume Wolverine needs to be berserk to kill, because? I was mocking ur acersution that sicne blade did not vamp out he was holding back, which is utter BS. It be like me argueing that because Wolverine was not berserk he was holding back, which is utter nonsense. Fact Wolverine was not willing to kill blade, and actively trying not to, is why he was holding back, not because he was not berserk.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
1. Logan wins 8/10, Logan fought worse, his HF and Skeleton will protect him from Blades worst, he is also better at H2H.
2. Blade wins 9/10, with enough Prep he has enough options to overcome Logans HF.
3. Blade wins 8/10, same as 2 though maybe less luck.
for people saying Blade isn't as skilled, Blade has mastered every edged weapon known to man and can learn to proficiently use any knew weapon on the fly. Blade has mastered a couple of hand-to-hand fighting styles, but he rarely has to resort to hand-to-hand fighting since he carries a plethora of weapons.
Originally posted by Trackz
Here we go again.Blade also never vamped out in the fight, which does give him an increase in strength/speed.
He is never getting a full rest before fights, meaning his healing factor has more than adapted to recovering after a short time unless it is ALWAYS taxed, which isn't likely the case. In fact, the Omega Red line was more than likely a reference to what Wolverine had been doing in Origins, meaning it happened in another country and he had just gotten back to America. The "Just got back" line is incredibly ambiguous and since he looks like he is in perfect condition it's probably not as taxing as you want to make it out to be.
E-mail from writer regarding the fight:
The fight was designed to end in a draw -- albeit with Blade having the upper hand, mainly because Wolverine's healing factor makes him virtually unbeatable in this kind of fight.I've written a Wolverine vs Blade one-shot that hopefully will see the light of day soon.
Hope this answers your question.
Thanks for reading.
Best,
MarcSecond e-mail after I ask if their healing and skill makes them equals.
True, but I figure Logan's claws give him an advantage and his adamantium skeleton makes decapitation almost impossible.
Best,
MarcI've already agreed to give a moderator my gmail account temporarily if anyone believed this is forged.
Basically your whole spin on the fight is incorrect and it was clearly ceated by the writer to show the two as equals. Noto nly that my the author is penning another Blade vs, Wolverine one-shot, oh but clearly it'll probably just be twenty pages of Wolverine "owning" Blade. Please.
You are speculating that Wolverine doesn't get adequate rest based on very little. The scan shows he is active everyday... they don't show he doesn't get any sleep or any food. My brother works nearly every day, long shifts, he still sleeps and shows up rested for his shifts the next day... it's what people do. We also don't know how much sleep / nourishment Wolverine needs to get back to peak operating levels, but I would speculate it is less than the standard four-six hours for a regular person. Fighting Blade after an off panel fight with Red, is different then fighting Mystique going home, sleeping, then fighting Hydra some time the next day.
That email shows what Guggenheim's intent was behind writing the issue, but his intent is almost completely irrelevant if he didn't accomplish what he was trying to achieve, which most people don't believe he did. Mark may have wanted to show Blade "stalemating" Wolverine, but what happened is the penciler drew a story where Wolverine easily stomped Blade in the ground. When a person writes an essay they aren't judged on the intent of the easy, they are judged on the ability to successful prove that thesis, a comic is the same. That issue didn't depict a fight between equals, regardless of Marks intent. Unless they rerelrease a "directors cut" of that issue, Blade was no match for Wolverine.
Originally posted by Trackz
This, Blade puts up a good fight every time in scenario 1 but Wolverine can deal more damage than he can because of his adamantium skeleton even though Blade does have the ranged advantage.for people saying Blade isn't as skilled, Blade has mastered every edged weapon known to man and can learn to proficiently use any knew weapon on the fly. Blade has mastered a couple of hand-to-hand fighting styles, but he rarely has to resort to hand-to-hand fighting since he carries a plethora of weapons.
And has been brought up, Blade has next to no actual feats of fighting Marvel's top tier martial artists and holding his own. All of his combat feats in both his respect thread and that have been posted in this thread concern him fighting Mooks and Cannon Fodder.
Wolverine's side on the other hand have supplied plenty of scans and on-panel evidence of Wolverine holding his own and even beating some top tier opponents.
This is more a fault of Blade's low exposure in Marvel as a whole, but the fact still stands that Wolverine has been shown as a more competent martial artist and martial combatant.
But if the pro-Blade side has any evidence contrary to this, then please do produce it.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
ur correct it is one out of 3. I original misread it to mean both wolverine and blade in scenerio 2.Yes, wolverine was holding back, when he has to pull in his claws in order to not kill Blade (who not held to the same standards).
No blade wasent, u just like to pretend he was, because u can't grasp the fact he was simply getting his ass kicked. Blade got his ass beat, and then went for his secret weapon in a desperate attempt to win, if he could have put wolverine down other wise he would have, and he did try, but fail miserably. Wolverine also at anypoint in time could have jsut pop his claws and bye bye blades head.
No it doesent, u simply have no grasp of the character. I said Wolverine not being berserk is not Wolverine holding back, nor is blade not vamping out, blade holding back. Both are more then willing to kill either way. U assume Wolverine needs to be berserk to kill, because? I was mocking ur acersution that sicne blade did not vamp out he was holding back, which is utter BS. It be like me argueing that because Wolverine was not berserk he was holding back, which is utter nonsense. Fact Wolverine was not willing to kill blade, and actively trying not to, is why he was holding back, not because he was not berserk.
1. It is in character for Wolverine to pull back his claws midfight, hell he's done it against Sabretooth a couple of times. Blade however never vamped out/got a mad-on. His equivalent of going berserk.
2. Everything contradicts what you're saying, I've already got an e-mail form the writer that proves the fight=stalemate. But for Wolverine fans who believe Logan is on the same level as Thor and Red Hulk all you see if Wolverine hitting his opponent and completely neglect the fact that Blade's plan the whole time was to use the syringe. But I guess your opinion overwrites that of the writer and what is seen as clear as day to anyone who looks at this fight without bias.
3. Blade vamping out is him holding back since it gives him a strength/speed boost. You see vampires do it all the time. Hell when Blade show him Wolverine ran at him screaming like a mad man claws drawn, exactly what Blade was trying to do in order to use the syringe. It wasn't a back up plan, or a last resort, it was the only resort seeing as there are few character's who can just go blow for blow with Logan until he passes out, that requires one to prety much be superior to him in every way. The two are evenly matched Wolverine's durability is a huge advantage though.
Originally posted by Trackz
Here we go again.Blade also never vamped out in the fight, which does give him an increase in strength/speed.
So whats ur point
Originally posted by Trackz
He is never getting a full rest before fights, meaning his healing factor has more than adapted to recovering after a short time unless it is ALWAYS taxed, which isn't likely the case. In fact, the Omega Red line was more than likely a reference to what Wolverine had been doing in Origins, meaning it happened in another country and he had just gotten back to America. The "Just got back" line is incredibly ambiguous and since he looks like he is in perfect condition it's probably not as taxing as you want to make it out to be.
For starters, what is the point of this nonsense? Wolverine is in peak form in this fight, so trying to latch on to notion wolverine allways texed helps u, how?
Not to mention as stiltman stated, how is playing poker, banging chicks, mediating taxing?
Originally posted by Trackz
E-mail from writer regarding the fight:
The fight was designed to end in a draw -- albeit with Blade having the upper hand, mainly because Wolverine's healing factor makes him virtually unbeatable in this kind of fight.I've written a Wolverine vs Blade one-shot that hopefully will see the light of day soon.
Hope this answers your question.
Thanks for reading.
Best,
Marc
Also it looks like a typo. Why on earth would he state Blade has the advantage? and then explain why wolverine pretty much unbeatable? it makes absolutely no senses. Looks as if it ment to say "with Wolverine having the upper hand, Mainly because Wolverine's healing factor makes him virtually unbeatable in this kind of fight". The way u have it, make literrally zero sense.
Originally posted by Trackz
Basically your whole spin on the fight is incorrect and it was clearly ceated by the writer to show the two as equals. Noto nly that my the author is penning another Blade vs, Wolverine one-shot, oh but clearly it'll probably just be twenty pages of Wolverine "owning" Blade. Please.
But keep on trucking with ur pretend emails.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You are speculating that Wolverine doesn't get adequate rest based on very little. The scan shows he is active everyday... they don't show he doesn't get any sleep or any food. My brother works nearly every day, long shifts, he still sleeps and shows up rested for his shifts the next day... it's what people do. We also don't know how much sleep / nourishment Wolverine needs to get back to peak operating levels, but I would speculate it is less than the standard four-six hours for a regular person. Fighting Blade after an off panel fight with Red, is different then fighting Mystique going home, sleeping, then fighting Hydra some time the next day.That email shows what Guggenheim's intent was behind writing the issue, but his intent is almost completely irrelevant if he didn't accomplish what he was trying to achieve, which most people don't believe he did. Mark may have wanted to show Blade "stalemating" Wolverine, but what happened is the penciler drew a story where Wolverine easily stomped Blade in the ground. When a person writes an easy they aren't judged on the intent of the easy, they are judged on the ability to successful prove that thesis, a comic is the same. That issue didn't depict a fight between equals, reguardless of Marks intent.
We don't know how long ago the Omega Red fight was. In canon, Wolverine had JUST fought Omega Red in his own book in Europe, this was more than likel a reference to that.
So basically your opinion of the fight supercedes the writers. An unbiased interpretation would clearly show Blade trying to get Wolverine close to use the syringe. But this is my last post to you since you basically just disregarded the writers own statements to back up your interpretation which was clearly wrong.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Yes and? Wolverine berserk increase his speed, strength, healing, sense, skill ect.So whats ur point
For starters, what is the point of this nonsense? Wolverine is in peak form in this fight, so trying to latch on to notion wolverine allways texed helps u, how?
Not to mention as stiltman stated, how is playing poker, banging chicks, mediating taxing?
I dont believe u, nor does this constitute as evidence.
Also it looks like a typo. Why on earth would he state Blade has the advantage? and then explain why wolverine pretty much unbeatable? it makes absolutely no senses. Looks as if it ment to say "with Wolverine having the upper hand, Mainly because Wolverine's healing factor makes him virtually unbeatable in this kind of fight". The way u have it, make literrally zero sense.
I dont believe what ur saying true in the least, and nothing in the issue suggest such nonsense in the least.
But keep on trucking with ur pretend emails.
The idea is that Wolverine's healing factor is used to healing quickly between battles. Not that it matters since Wolverine's healing wasn't even the defining point of the fight. Blade was trying to get Logan close to use the syringe. So he didn't vamp out in order to try and take Wolverine on head-to-head. As stated no one is arguing Blade could win in a straight fight. With prep he takes the majority.
as stated, I will give a moderator my email account temporarily to verify them.
