James Howlett vs. Eric Brooks

Originally posted by Trackz

So basically your opinion of the fight supercedes the writers. An unbiased interpretation would clearly show Blade trying to get Wolverine close to use the syringe. But this is my last post to you since you basically just disregarded the writers own statements to back up your interpretation which was clearly wrong. [/B]

In an industry where no one person has a final say in continuity, where the body of the industry can change with a single issue or mini-series to only be drastically reverted or changed further a year later, where writers and artists come together for one shots and admit that they not only know very little about what they're writing but also that they don't care if the story is true to the character, acknowledges canon or will even be picked up following that issue or mini-series, then what is the opinion and intent of a single writer?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Doombots feat was nice.

Originally posted by Trackz
But I guess your opinion overwrites that of the writer and what is seen as clear as day to anyone who looks at this fight without bias.

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Almost everyone ive ever met who read that issue, asside from Blade fanboys like ur self, state clear as day that Wolverine won that encounter and clearly had the advantage, so much so that he was holding back killing strikes.

Ur arguement completely hangs out a plot device, and Wolverine unwillness to kill Blade, while Blade had no such qualms about killing Wolverine. And still Wolverien beat his ass into the ground and laughed at his plot device, daring him to use it.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
In an industry where no one person has a final say in continuity, where the body of the industry can change with a single issue or mini-series to only be drastically reverted or changed further a year later, where writers and artists come together for one shots and admit that they not only know very little about what they're writing but also that they don't care if the story is true to the character, acknowledges canon or will even be picked up following that issue or mini-series, then what is the opinion and intent of a single writer?

The opinion of the writer may not be able to sway to the overall fight, but he has the final say on his own contribution to canon.

basically if he writes to characters stalemating each other, and certain people read it as character a beating character b easily, while others see it as character a stalemating character b, then the writer coming out and saying he wrote character a stalemating character b means that the latter of the two positions is correct.

no one is arguing this fight means that this fight means Blade can beat Wolverine head-to-head or stalemate him head-to-head. What's being argued is that this fight is a stalemate, I find it silly that some people are willing to disregard the writer completely because they are so stubborn.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
This is friggin laughable.

Almost everyone ive ever met who read that issue, asside from Blade fanboys like ur self, state clear as day that Wolverine won that encounter and clearly had the advantage, so much so that he was holding back killing strikes.

Ur arguement completely hangs out a plot device, and Wolverine unwillness to kill Blade, while Blade had no such qualms about killing Wolverine. And still Wolverien beat his ass into the ground and laughed at his plot device, daring him to use it.

I've heard from plenty of people who took it as Blade beating Wolverine, or (as was stated( it was a stalemate.

My argument is that the fight was a stalemate, like stated by the writer.

You're arguing for the sake of arguing without even knowing what you're arguing against. Instead of assuming your opponents position go back and read what is actually being discussed.

Originally posted by Trackz
The opinion of the writer may not be able to sway to the overall fight, but he has the final say on his own contribution to canon.

basically if he writes to characters stalemating each other, and certain people read it as character a beating character b easily, while others see it as character a stalemating character b, then the writer coming out and saying he wrote character a stalemating character b means that the latter of the two positions is correct.

no one is arguing this fight means that this fight means Blade can beat Wolverine head-to-head or stalemate him head-to-head. What's being argued is that this fight is a stalemate, I find it silly that some people are willing to disregard the writer completely because they are so stubborn.

I won't disregard whether or not that Blade's initial intent was to use the syringe on Wolverine, that's not my call to make nor one I can easily assume or deduce.

But I have been trying to keep a neutral ground in this thread, letting the actual scans and on-panel evidence make the case for me and nothing more.

Keeping that in mind, the way the artist of the fight drew it and the general attitude of Wolverine does lead me to believe that he was the one winning that fight as far as it was portrayed and as far as it played out.

Originally posted by Trackz
We don't know how long ago the Omega Red fight was. In canon, Wolverine had JUST fought Omega Red in his own book in Europe, this was more than likel a reference to that.

So basically your opinion of the fight supercedes the writers. An unbiased interpretation would clearly show Blade trying to get Wolverine close to use the syringe. But this is my last post to you since you basically just disregarded the writers own statements to back up your interpretation which was clearly wrong.

I don't think it was the Origins "fight", mainly because it ended with Wolverine in SHIELD custody and the fact that they barely even fight in the first place. Wolverine lured him on to a roof, then ran away and SHIELD took Red down... not exactly the "fifteen round" fight Wolverine mentioned in Blade.

Like I said, the writers intent doesn't mater if he was unable to successfully achieve it. Comics are a collaborative effort between a writer and an author, and maybe there was a miscommunication between Mark and Howard but in this case what Mark intend to write isn't what Howard ended up drawing and what we ended up reading.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't think it was the Origins "fight", mainly because it ended with Wolverine in SHIELD custody and the fact that they barely even fight in the first place. Wolverine lured him on to a roof, then ran away and SHIELD took Red down... not exactly the "fifteen round" fight Wolverine mentioned in Blade.

Like I said, the writers intent doesn't mater if he was unable to successfully achieve it. Comics or a collaborative effort between a writer and an author, and maybe there was a miscommunication between Mark and Howard but in this case what Mark intend to write isn't what Howard ended up drawing and what we ended up reading.

Pause.

After Dum Dum's posts, I want to make sure you know what my position is, because he came in and started arguing for no reason.

Do you know what my position is?

Originally posted by Trackz
Pause.

After Dum Dum's posts, I want to make sure you know what my position is, because he came in and started arguing for no reason.

Do you know what my position is?

Refresh my memory.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Refresh my memory.

1. Blade can't beat Wolverine straight up because of his healing, he might manage a win or two.
2. Blade takes the majority with prep with help form MI:13's resources and Dr. Strange.

do you disagree with either of these?

Originally posted by Trackz
I've heard from plenty of people who took it as Blade beating Wolverine, or (as was stated( it was a stalemate.

My argument is that the fight was a stalemate, like stated by the writer.

You're arguing for the sake of arguing without even knowing what you're arguing against. Instead of assuming your opponents position go back and read what is actually being discussed.

Except it wasent, Wolverine could have killed blade several times in that fight and at anypoint he wanted to. Blade had to rely a a plot device which there was zero evidence it would work, and on top of that had to rely on Wolverine willness to not kill blade, while blade was willing to kill him. Not sure how on earth u took that as a stalemate, it beyond me.

I know what ur argueing, and I have beeing directly quoting u, so please don't give me such nonsense.

Originally posted by Trackz
1. Blade can't beat Wolverine straight up because of his healing, he might manage a win or two.
2. Blade takes the majority with prep with help form MI:13's resources and Dr. Strange.

do you disagree with either of these?

why does he get MI:13 resources and help from strange? That pretty absurd assumption, and quite against the rules.

yes, becuase there completely against the rules.

Originally posted by Trackz
1. Blade can't beat Wolverine straight up because of his healing, he might manage a win or two.
2. Blade takes the majority with prep with help form MI:13's resources and Dr. Strange.

do you disagree with either of these?

Unless an allowance is made for in the OP, I don't believe a character is able to go to another character (like Dr. Strange) for help during prep. They need to use the resources they have at their disposal and accomplish the prep themselves. If we are allowing that Blade has the help of Dr. Strange then he obviously a prep match. Hell, with a month of prep I could beat Wolverine with the help of Dr. Strange. Outside of that, even with MI: 13 resources (which is also pushing the prep rule limits), Blade doesn't stand much of a chance.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Unless an allowance is made for in the OP, I don't believe a character is able to go to another character (like Dr. Strange) for help during prep. They need to use the resources they have at their disposal and accomplish the prep themselves. If we are allowing that Blade has the help of Dr. Strange then he obviously a prep match. Hell, with a month of prep I could beat Wolverine with the help of Dr. Strange. Outside of that, even with MI: 13 resources (which is also pushing the prep rule limits), Blade doesn't stand much of a chance.

1. Blade is stationed in England with MI:13, their resources are his.
2. Dr. Strange was a long-time team mate and friend, how is that pushing the prep limitations?
3. You're saying with all the magic and what not Blade has access to, it's not enough to beat Wolverine? There are various demons and weapons MI:13 has access to that Blade can use to his advantage.

Originally posted by Trackz
1. Blade is stationed in England with MI:13, their resources are his.
2. Dr. Strange was a long-time team mate and friend, how is that pushing the prep limitations?
3. You're saying with all the magic and what not Blade has access to, it's not enough to beat Wolverine? There are various demons and weapons MI:13 has access to that Blade can use to his advantage.

Because it against the rules to gather assistance from others. Honestly are u kidding me? Ur playing dumb on purposes, that has never once been allowed as part of prep.

No he saying ur breaking the rules of the forum and giving blade prep he is not allowed in order to give him the win. PLEASE ASK A MOD, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE U GTE SHOT DOWN.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Writers and artists forgetting or not knowing basic human anatomy in order to try and write what they believe is an interesting and compelling story does not hold ground or water in a debate of hypothetical applications of logic and pop-culture history to determine the winners in a hypothetical battle.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Wolverine has a skeleton coated completely in indestructible adamantium and there is a sheet of bone called the Sphenoidale located behind each eye-ball.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
A bullet would not penetrate from behind his eye sockets and thus would never reach his brain.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Shooting through the nasal canal would prove more damaging than shooting through an eye.

Do you know how I know this? From a great deal of on-panel evidence throughout the years. You'll just have to deal with it.

*coughs*

Blade is allowed to receive any help from MI:13 but is not allowed to seek aid from Doctor Strange or any other top tier Marvel mage during the one month of preparation he is granted for Scenario 2.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Do you know how I know this? From a great deal of on-panel evidence throughout the years. You'll just have to deal with it.

Then please provide it. Hard evidence will prove your words, not your words alone.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
*coughs*

Blade is allowed to receive any help from MI:13 but is not allowed to seek aid from Doctor Strange or any other top tier Marvel mage during the one month of preparation he is granted for Scenario 2.

Ok, then blood-lusted Blade just reads the darkhold. Game, set, match.

Originally posted by Trackz
Ok, then blood-lusted Blade just reads the darkhold. Game, set, match.

The Darkhold is either in Doctor Strange's custody or Brother Voodoo's. As I said, Blade is not allowed to seek aide from any top mage.