Originally posted by Gorbag
Yep, I was just replying to Rewmac 'cause he thought Wolvie is capable of lifting max 200kg 😆
That was my point before. Rewmac wasn't saying that. He was talking about how much Logan weighs.
Originally posted by Gorbag
Wolverine regularly lifts about ton, we can say that for sure. HF & adamantium skeleton however enables him to lift more. Now about flying 🙄 Logan needs to receive very hard hit for that. That scan of Thor pwning zombie barbarian showed us he needs some time to let's say "charge" his punch power... Wolverine is just too maneuverable and Thor would need to strike fast. After Thor's medium-power hits Logan won't fly into orbit... no way... 😮💨 Read again his fight with Namor, Wendigo, Thing... Beast even stated he's X-Men "heavy artillery" (in X4) 😮💨
😐 Charging his punches. What is he CaptFalcon?
All Thor needs is a single solid blow to connect and Wolvie is in orbit.
Originally posted by Gorbag😆 Class 2? Then why isn't he lifting cars?
There's a little chance of that 😛 And Wolverine is Class 2... thx to adamantium skeleton and accelerated HF.
Originally posted by GorbagWhere did I say that he can lift maximum 200kilos? Tell me...Learn to read posts and then debate buddy.
Yep, I was just replying to Rewmac 'cause he thought Wolvie is capable of lifting max 200kg 😆 Wolverine regularly lifts about ton, we can say that for sure. HF & adamantium skeleton however enables him to lift more. Now about flying 🙄 Logan needs to receive very hard hit for that. That scan of Thor pwning zombie barbarian showed us he needs some time to let's say "charge" his punch power... Wolverine is just too maneuverable and Thor would need to strike fast. After Thor's medium-power hits Logan won't fly into orbit... no way... 😮💨 Read again his fight with Namor, Wendigo, Thing... Beast even stated he's X-Men "heavy artillery" (in X4) 😮💨
And his physical strength mainly isn't coming from the HF. Maybe some part does because his HF heals the muscle when it over streches.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosEven if not in orbit but surely high enough not to come back. I mean a guy lifts 100 tons surely can hit a 180 kilo guy hard enough to make him fly like a plane. And before people start coming with he is going to fall back right into the battle area, I'd like to state there is a thing called angle of incidence.All Thor needs is a single solid blow to connect and Wolvie is in orbit.
Originally posted by Gorbag
Sorry man, I didn't say ur opinion is BS, why u re behaving like a mad child? Calm down yourself or leave us, I know you can behave like a normal person. And stop using Caps lock like this... behave urslef man 😮💨 in my opinion u need a smoke.
Refering to your question, read jinzin's post about Logan's skeleton. We saw it in one piece, for example when Logan was burned off to his bare skeleton by Nitro...
AND YOU CAME THROUGH LIKE ALWAYS WITH THE B.S. YOU DID NOT ADDRESS A DIRECT QUESTION. IM NOT SAYING YOUR OPINION IS BS IM SAYING THE WAY YOUR GOING ABOUT THIS DEBATE IS BS. AND THE CAP LOCK THING STAYS. IT GIVES ME A DIFFERENT POSTING STYLE THEN ANYBODY ELSE.
Originally posted by Caps ConscienceBut it makes people feel your shouting.
AND YOU CAME THROUGH LIKE ALWAYS WITH THE B.S. YOU DID NOT ADDRESS A DIRECT QUESTION. IM NOT SAYING YOUR OPINION IS BS IM SAYING THE WAY YOUR GOING ABOUT THIS DEBATE IS BS. AND THE CAP LOCK THING STAYS. IT GIVES ME A DIFFERENT POSTING STYLE THEN ANYBODY ELSE.
Originally posted by Big Sexy
Spiderman, Captain America, Punisher, Spiderwoman, Sabertooth have all been able to overpower or knock the hell out of Wolverine with strength. Your right each character has inconsitencies but his are so blatantly far away its not even funny.
Originally posted by Big Sexy
I dont care if your bruce lee x 5 at his height of skill. If you can take a puch from a guy that can through a building like a beach ball, somethings wrong. No strategy is going to prepare you for that. Thats folly to claim something like CA fighting skills are greater than that kind of power. Thats comic book PIS at its height. No different than Deathstroke tagging a flash or any flash title for that matter.
See here's the thing. Comic books don't regard whether you care for what they represent or not... They are how they are..
Clearly, while it may be illogical to real world physics Cap's fighting skills DO make up for his lack of super strength.. How else would he get people like Iron Man, Namor, Hyde, Spiderman, Thunderstrike, and Rhino to feel his punches much less actually affect them?
He wouldn't.
And again, Captain America has not used brute strength alone to fight Wolverine.. When he did he failed like 99% of the other MU population that fights logan with brute strength... The second time they had it out Cap had to rely on strategic fighting and a plot device in the Murumasa blade.
These aspects are multitudes different than any Flash related PIS based on the speed force alone, so it's also not fair to compare them to such.
Originally posted by bruceb74
why is comparing thor to hulk laughable? quote from creator of both thor and hulk, stan lee:"Writer-editor Stan Lee described Thor's genesis as following the creation of the Hulk: "I thought it would be fun to invent someone as powerful as, or perhaps even more powerful than, the Incredible Hulk. But how do you make someone stronger than the strongest human? It finally came to me: Don't make him human — make him a god."
Uh that proves nothing.. Thor's OF COURSE more powerful than Hulk... in terms of his magic and Odin force whathaveyou.. but in terms of brute raw physical strength? NO. 😐
Originally posted by jinzinIf comics are how they are why do you call Wolvie wins low showings, bad writings and even PIS sometimes?? When they are how they are...Then Namor knocks Wolverine out...It is how the comic is.
See here's the thing. Comic books don't regard whether you care for what they represent or not... They are how they are..
Clearly, while it may be illogical to real world physics Cap's fighting skills DO make up for his lack of super strength.. How else would he get people like Iron Man, Namor, Hyde, Spiderman, Thunderstrike, and Rhino to feel his punches much less actually affect them?
He wouldn't.
And again, Captain America has not used brute strength alone to fight Wolverine.. When he did he failed like 99% of the other MU population that fights logan with brute strength... The second time they had it out Cap had to rely on strategic fighting and a plot device in the Murumasa blade.These aspects are multitudes different than any Flash related PIS based on the speed force alone, so it's also not fair to compare them to such.
Originally posted by jinzinCorrect me if I'm wrong but wasn't wolverine almost out on his feet when he took a straight shot from spider man. Anyway my point his carrier hes generally been in the Street leveler class. Hes had several bouts with street class and each have given him a run. I don't see wolverine taking Ben Grimm let alone someone of Thor's caliber (please don't mentions EOTS) even glads admits hes can't beat thor. Where talking about a guy that throws a mallet at thre times the speed of light. Don't get me wrong I like wolverine (I am not just some hater) but he has had a piss filled career.
The first part I'd say is argueable.. Cap tried his hardest to put Wolverine down with brute strength, didn't work.
spider man gave it everything he had, Wolverine laughed at him.
Sabretooth doesn't just use brute strength.
Spiderwoman's failed with brute strength.
Punisher's only feat with brute strength effecting Logan was using a baseball bat to the balls.... which WOULD HURT.
To the point on Logan.
I'd disagree.. The big problem is that people don't understand the difference between when Wolverine goes down through circumstances.. and when he gets dropped during a low showing... the result is that people think that Wolverine goes down to lesser things than he actually does more often which gives a bigger base for the foundation of his inconistency.
It's like when people try to pass off that Namor one shoted Logan when nothing like that EVER HAPPENED if you take into account the damage Wolverine took before that...
People tend to think just because Wolverine doesn't look half mutiliated he must be functioning at 100%.
Again I defer to the fact that where class 100 shots are concerned.. Wolverine has a LOT more consistency dealing with the hits than the other way around.
Originally posted by Big SexyThor had the hammer in the Glads fight. Here if I'm not wrong he hasn't got the hammer, but he still wins.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't wolverine almost out on his feet when he took a straight shot from spider man. Anyway my point his carrier hes generally been in the Street leveler class. Hes had several bouts with street class and each have given him a run. I don't see wolverine taking Ben Grimm let alone someone of Thor's caliber (please don't mentions EOTS) even glads admits hes can't beat thor. Where talking about a guy that throws a mallet at thre times the speed of light. Don't get me wrong I like wolverine (I am not just some hater) but he has had a piss filled career.
Originally posted by jinzin
Okay, haven't seen that before.Through the comparison of his fights with people Logan has fought.
Thor hasn't shown a large speed advantage to Namor.
Or hulk.
Or Juggs.
Or sparring Captain America.
Hulk clones? No.
Herc? Nope.I would assume that if he had a speed advantage in these battles as well as many more, that he would have naturally used it at some point.
Wolverine's feats of speed in combat-terms far outclass anything that I've ever seen Thor produce... Now I've asked for proof to the contrary and there's not yet been a suitable reply that supplies said proof... I am then left to assume that Wolverine is superior in speed.For the same reason I stated above.. The only times I've seen Thor have far superior reflexes was through the use of Mjolnir... which he doesn't have here.
Which proves he can cut him.
Wait... did you just claim that Thanos, Hulk, and Herc are all inferior to Thor?
bleh.. anyways......
Uhhhh actually it is a big deal since they've all shown superior or equivolent durability when it comes to penetrating weaponry. It sets a standard that says.. "wolvies taking Thor out if he lands a sufficient shot."Is it because you can't? You can't supply the evidence I'm asking for?
It's fairly obvious you've been absent for a lot of Thor's continuity otherwise you'd place your fanboyisim behind you and realize Mjolnir or not, Wolverine has absolutely no chance against Thor. However I see this isn't going to happen.
Yet at the same time, during the pinnacle of Thor's continuity he's consistently shown capable of fighting Surfer, Gladiator, etc on fairly even ground. Do Wolverines reflexes stack up? No.
Would you use the same logic when debating against Superman? In all fights, Superman doesn't use his speed although it's obvious from previous showings that he's faster than his opponent. The same can be said for Thor, especially since it's been established on panel that both consistently hold back in fights.
Now your assuming Mjolnir provides Thor with enhanced reflexes? More unnecessary speculation.
Never claimed Thor couldn't be cut, only that no fatal wounds would be inflicted upon him. The sun feat should support this as it would take extreme durability to withstand the trillion upon trillions of tons of ripping pressure the core produces.
With the exception of Thanos, Thor is superior to all the characters you mentioned. The Thanos feat is PIS as is and holds no credibility on these forums.
So all the characters you mentioned are able to stand in the core of the sun, take shots from Zeus, take shots from Celestials, etc? 😐
The sun feat, and the Viking feat aren't considered evidence? 😐
You still haven't explained how Wolverine's going to keep Thor from punting him into orbit.... 😕
Originally posted by jinzin
Uh that proves nothing.. Thor's OF COURSE more powerful than Hulk... in terms of his magic and Odin force whathaveyou.. but in terms of brute raw physical strength? NO. 😐
Thor has stalemated Hulk in strength a few times, once completely owning him, once killing him. Feat wise their pretty much equals, however on paper Hulk should be stronger.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thorowninghulk1.jpg
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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thorvseverybody6.jpg
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Also, shouldn't that shield throw from Cap be similar to a strike from Wolverine?
Originally posted by jinzin
See I've seen him use superspeed in flight, I've seen him use magic to augment his reflexes... I've NEVER seen him to show super speed in terms of combat when fighting someone that's outside of Wolverine's capabilities to match if not overshadow..It's unfair to compare Thor as a "brick" to those characters who all use different tools to take on Wolverine.
Cap uses his strategy, and superior fighting skills to take on Logan.
Spiderman uses his spider sense, superior agility and webbing.
Sabretooth uses his Healing factor and superiority to Logan in every category sides fighting skill to fight Wolvie...And your conclussion is based on inaccurate info..
Wolvie doesn't take woopings from cap.
and Spiderman hasn't beat him in a fight since secret wars...Point is; comparing a very strong character with decent fighting ability doesn't equate to comparing him to someone who has other attributes that level the playing field like spider sense, a healing factor, or superior fighting and strategic skills. 😬
You've never seen Thor augment his speed through magic, at least not Classic Thor.
Do you honestly believe an artist has to visibly show character fighting at super speeds? I hope not, because in the same breath you'd be asking to see every page as blurs. Thor's fought characters that fight at multiples of the speed of light, it's obvious he's out of Wolverines league.
Originally posted by His Airness
Never claimed Thor couldn't be cut, only that no fatal wounds would be inflicted upon him. The sun feat should support this as it would take extreme durability to withstand the trillion upon trillions of tons of ripping pressure the core produces.
The tidal forces inside the sun cannot be compared in any way to piercing damage.
