Thor (without Mjolnir) VS Wolverine

Originally posted by jinzin
Look it's simple physics.
It's easier to punch a hole through a piece of newspaper with your finger than your fist, even though your fist can generate more power...

It's more do wo with the way that the pressure is distributed or focused onto the subject at hand... you just can't compare surviving in the sun to that.

Why is he at Rhino level? because Rhino gave him a hard time? You ARE aware of the fact that Rhino was fighting with savage hulk for YEARS before Grey Hulk showed up?
Besides, Grey Hulk when riled, is said to hit harder than his green counter-part.
The sword pic is just to demonstrate how easily Logan can stab into Hulk with an adamantium blade, since that's all he was doing there.
In that first strike his claws practically lopped off half Hulk's face.
How about when he stabs him in the eyes and the balls? 😕

And yes you can compare. The fact is that the pressure from the sun along with the heat would put more strain Thor's body then Wolverine ever could 😬

Just because something is bigger in scope doesn't mean that it applies a weker force to a general area. Just go back to my Ten Steel wall analogy. Power counts for a lot more than you're trying to say.

And Hulk is around Rhino's level he because he is class 70 same as Rhino 😬

And we don't really see how bad Hulk was injured in both those instances. We saw shadowed up hands on Hulk. Then we see Wolverine slash and Hulk throw him. For all you know may have barely cut the flesh and based on their matches I would that is the more likely 😕

Originally posted by Newjak
You're right it doesn't.

This is what gives Thor the win.

He is a billion times stronger than Wolverine

Originally posted by Newjak
He maybe not as skilled but he is by far the most skilled 100 brick he has ever faced.

All are Wolverine victims.. so I'm gonna assume you pulled that one out your ass.

Originally posted by Newjak
He has legit Superspeed and Super reaction feats unlike Wolverine.

Originally posted by Newjak
His durability when not needed for plot has shown to be just as great as the Hulk who Wolverine does not slash when any real depth.

Originally posted by Newjak
That and Thor can still use items from around the battlefield for a weapon like cares..

Originally posted by Newjak
The fact is Wolverine is hoping a lucky shot against a guy who has faced beings far more deadly than Wolverine could ever dream of being.

He's stripped down o your basic brick here, no more... no less... just a brick...
against a warrior who has better skill, a healing factor that can compensate for Thor's best shots, one shot kill/ko weaponry, (until proven otherwise) superior speed and reflexes, and superior agility.... Yeah I'd say the "lucky punch" scenario is nothing more than wishful thinking on your part.. It's clearly Thor with the lesser value in skill, out of his fighting environment (powers), and shorter reach that needs a lucky shot here, because there's no garantee that the damage he inflicts on Wolverine if any at all is going to keep the lil runt down. 😬

Originally posted by Newjak
The fact is I could Thor grabbing Wolverine by the claws. His hands would bleed but Wolverine isn't cutting through them. He then goes unto do far worse then Wonder Man ever did.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yes because your figure can generate more pressure at that point then your fist as a whole. Plus if you have ever tried to do it you realize both your finger and hand go through fairly easily.

Originally posted by Newjak
And yes you can compare. The fact is that the pressure from the sun along with the heat would put more strain Thor's body then Wolverine ever could 😬

Originally posted by Newjak
Just because something is bigger in scope doesn't mean that it applies a weker force to a general area. Just go back to my Ten Steel wall analogy. Power counts for a lot more than you're trying to say.

Originally posted by Newjak
And Hulk is around Rhino's level he because he is class 70 same as Rhino 😬

Grey Hulk when pissed was recorded as hitting harder than Green Hulk on several encounters, if you know anything about incredible Hulk 340 you would know that was one pissed off Hulk.

Originally posted by Newjak
And we don't really see how bad Hulk was injured in both those instances. We saw shadowed up hands on Hulk. Then we see Wolverine slash and Hulk throw him. For all you know may have barely cut the flesh and based on their matches I would that is the more likely 😕

Considering that one) Wolverine blinded hulk for half the issue, and two when he scored the nutshot there was a big bold "STAB" written over the area, I'm going to assume he got in there pretty decent...

and again, "just because Hulk's not in a wheel chair that must mean Wolverine's claws won't have an affect"..... Hulk has a healing factor so he can... HEAL from Wolverine's attacks.... what happens if Wolverine's fighting someone who doesn't heal?

Something like this I imagine:

Originally posted by jinzin
Which can only take him so far sinc Wolverine can one) Take Thor's punches, and two) Get back up from them healing the damage inflicted.

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No he's not..
Namor, Hercules, and Warpath are all either as good or better than Thor in the fighting skills department..
Thing is definitely better.

All are Wolverine victims.. so I'm gonna assume you pulled that one out your ass.

Ummm Wolverine has loads of superfast, super-reactive feats so I'm not sure what you're yammering about there either...
And again, Thor might have these feats, but how often does he display them? Where are these feats?
Is the number of feats that contradict his high end speed far exceeding than that of the low end?
Because I already argued against the point to Thor's speed, only... I used proof... guess what I'm still waiting for you Thor boys to bring to the table.... 😉

We just went over this.. look at his first fight with Namor, he scored a superficial hit, but would you say he couldn't score a stab afterwards? After he proved t time and time again?
The damage that is inflicted on Hulk doesn't stay on Hulk, those slashes suffering from "any real depth" have knocked Hulk unconcious three times.. and he has a healing factor that regenerates him from blood spatter for god sakes!
You honestly believe that the only damage wolverine would dish here would be superficial? It's ridiculous.

Then he CAN'T win in a h2h scenario against Wolverine. 😐

When he had a magical weapon and Godly powers that he doesn't have here: Irrelivent.

He's stripped down o your basic brick here, no more... no less... just a brick...
against a warrior who has better skill, a healing factor that can compensate for Thor's best shots, one shot kill/ko weaponry, (until proven otherwise) superior speed and reflexes, and superior agility.... Yeah I'd say the "lucky punch" scenario is nothing more than wishful thinking on your part.. It's clearly Thor with the lesser value in skill, out of his fighting environment (powers), and shorter reach that needs a lucky shot here, because there's no garantee that the damage he inflicts on Wolverine if any at all is going to keep the lil runt down. 😬

If it didn't work for Hulk it's NOT working for Thor.. and it didn't work for Hulk... ❌

He could easily hold both of Wolverine's fist's with one hand while pummeling him to death with the other. Don't tell me strength isn't helping here.

Yes he is the most skilled. The guy has lived longer than Namor, has bested Hercules, and has used his superior skill on people.

I don't think you are quite getting at what I'm saying. The fact is that Thor has legit SUPERspeed feats as in beyond enhanced speed like Wolverine. And just for reference most of Wolverine's greatest speed feats are almost a dime a dozen with street levelers to low meta. 😬

As for the Namor fight you do realize that before that they had fought for how many panels and Namor was tlaking to him and then Wolverine attacks. And Thor is>Namor. And as for the Hulk that fact is for most of the damage Wolverine has ever put on the HUlk it has always been superfical except for a few instances all he does is cut Hulk's skin and Hulk.

By the way if Thor can not use things like cars because it is H2H then why would Wolverine get to use his claws and if you say because they are a natural part of him. Then you do realize Thor still can use vast amount of his magical abilities.

Thor isn't just your basic brick though

The guy has superior speed feats

The guy has superior strength

The guy has great skills

By the way if you're going by most recent appearances and all that jazz. It seems to me that Sentry more than proved that Thor can in fact take Wolverine 😛

Thor destroyed a Statue that the Hulk grabbed I could only image what his hammer/strength would do to Wolverine.

Originally posted by jinzin
If your fast enough with the proper technique sure.. My point isn't that papers more durable than a fist, but that a finger can make penetration more easily and that's a fact.

Heat's irrelivent, the pressure as I said simply can't be compared to Wolverine's cutting effeciency...
This whole thing is ridiculous anyways as your just grasping to allow for Wolverine not being able to do something he's already proven he could do.

I would assume that it applies a greater force to a general area, general being the definitive word.

Ahh so all those times that Rhino stood up to Savage Hulk it was because Hulk was a class 70 guy... right.. 😕

Grey Hulk when pissed was recorded as hitting harder than Green Hulk on several encounters, if you know anything about incredible Hulk 340 you would know that was one pissed off Hulk.

Considering that one) Wolverine blinded hulk for half the issue, and two when he scored the nutshot there was a big bold "STAB" written over the area, I'm going to assume he got in there pretty decent...

and again, "just because Hulk's not in a wheel chair that must mean Wolverine's claws won't have an affect"..... Hulk has a healing factor so he can... HEAL from Wolverine's attacks.... what happens if Wolverine's fighting someone who doesn't heal?

Something like this I imagine:

By the way the reason why Rhino has stood up to Hulk is because Hulk's base strength is low. And the reason that savage Hulk can get so strong is the reason why Rhino always looses 😉

So because we saw a good sized Stab is enough to prove that Wolverine cut deep I think not😬

Hulk may have a healing factor yes but it doesn't change the fact that most of Wolverine's hits are Superficial and even if Hulk didn't have a healing factor most of those he would survive although be it with plenty of scars. 😛

Originally posted by Newjak
I don't think you're getting just how much stronger Thor is. He could slap his hands together and rupture Wolverine's insides over and over before Logan ever got to him.

It didn't work for Hulk.. Infact one thunderclap sent Wolvie into a berserker rage and the other thunderclap didn't even bother Logan.
Logan, is the quentessential anti-brick, when are you people gonna just let go of your Wolvie hate for two seconds so you can accept that?

Originally posted by Newjak
He could easily hold both of Wolverine's fist's with one hand while pummeling him to death with the other. Don't tell me strength isn't helping here.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yes he is the most skilled. The guy has lived longer than Namor, has bested Hercules, and has used his superior skill on people.

Okay, your making a logical fallacy in your appeal to age automatically thinking that age or experience defines skill.... It doesn't... Why is Thor constantly impressed with Captain America's skills? Because he doesn't have them? Why couldn't Thor hit Mongoose? Because he's not skilled or fast enough to do so.
Experience is a good thing to have but if he's been living eons with only a "meat and potatoes" kind of fighting style than someone who's more well rounded with expert training will simply be more skilled.
Herc; they both have vicories over the other as well as stalemates.
Logical fallacy to your last point, just because Thor uses skill on "people" doesn't mean he'll be able to capitalize on it here against Wolverine, as these other people you menitoned can't be proven to be as skilled a Wolverine.
Finally... Show me this skill then? In h2h combat of course... because every time I've seen him fight other bricks (excluding possibly Hulk).. he fights.... like... a brick. 😐

Originally posted by Newjak
I don't think you are quite getting at what I'm saying. The fact is that Thor has legit SUPERspeed feats as in beyond enhanced speed like Wolverine. And just for reference most of Wolverine's greatest speed feats are almost a dime a dozen with street levelers to low meta. 😬

Originally posted by Newjak
As for the Namor fight you do realize that before that they had fought for how many panels and Namor was tlaking to him and then Wolverine attacks. And Thor is>Namor. And as for the Hulk that fact is for most of the damage Wolverine has ever put on the HUlk it has always been superfical except for a few instances all he does is cut Hulk's skin and Hulk.

Originally posted by Newjak
By the way if Thor can not use things like cars because it is H2H then why would Wolverine get to use his claws and if you say because they are a natural part of him. Then you do realize Thor still can use vast amount of his magical abilities.

Originally posted by Newjak
Thor isn't just your basic brick though

The guy has superior speed feats

Originally posted by Newjak
The guy has superior strength

Originally posted by Newjak
The guy has great skills

Originally posted by Newjak
By the way if you're going by most recent appearances and all that jazz. It seems to me that Sentry more than proved that Thor can in fact take Wolverine 😛

Originally posted by golem370
Thor destroyed a Statue that the Hulk grabbed I could only image what his hammer/strength would do to Wolverine.

HE ...

DOESN'T.. HAVE... HIS HAMMMMMMMERRRR! 😠

Then he just beats Wolverine in to a bloody pulp.

Originally posted by Newjak
You're not making any sense with this whole Wolverine can exert more pressure than the Sun idea. The fact is no Wolverine can not exert more pressure in one area than the sun. It just isn't true. And yes it can be compared all pressure can be compared. Since why a blast of cosmic power can penetrate something more than a bullet can.

I just don't think you quite realize how damned sharp those claws are..
oh and Four, you're STILL ignoring the fact that you're grasping at straws here.. trying to discredit something that Logan has already proven he can do.

Originally posted by Newjak
By the way the reason why Rhino has stood up to Hulk is because Hulk's base strength is low. And the reason that savage Hulk can get so strong is the reason why Rhino always looses 😉

Originally posted by Newjak
So because we saw a good sized Stab is enough to prove that Wolverine cut deep

Originally posted by Newjak
Hulk may have a healing factor yes but it doesn't change the fact that most of Wolverine's hits are Superficial and even if Hulk didn't have a healing factor most of those he would survive although be it with plenty of scars. 😛

Originally posted by golem370
Then he just beats Wolverine in to a bloody pulp.

And loses both arms and his guts in the process, then while he's trying to run away with what's left of himself Logan's already healed.

Originally posted by jinzin
It didn't work for Hulk.. Infact one thunderclap sent Wolvie into a berserker rage and the other thunderclap didn't even bother Logan.
Logan, is the quentessential anti-brick, when are you people gonna just let go of your Wolvie hate for two seconds so you can accept that?

Well it's helping as much as your benefit of the doubt can take it I guess... Thor's gonna grab both of Wolverine's hands with one hand huh? 😐
Yup... either that or get his fingers turned to sushi just trying to pull a stunt that stupid.
Again, strength can only take Thor so far, yeah it's "helping" I suppose in the fact that it's really the only weapon Thor's got here.

that's your argument?

Okay, your making a logical fallay in your appeal to age automatically thinking that age or experience defines skill.... It doesn't... Why is Thor constantly impressed with Captain America's skills? Because he doesn't have them? Why couldn't Thor hit Mongoose? Because he's not skilled or fast enough to do so.
Experience is a good thing to have but if he's been living eons with only a "meat and potatoes" kind of fighting style than someone who's more well rounded with expert training will simply be more skilled.
Herc; they both have vicories over the other as well as stalemates.
Logical fallacy to your last point, just because Thor uses skill on "people" doesn't mean he'll be able to capitalize on it here against Wolverine, as these other people you menitoned can't be proven to be as skilled a Wolverine.
Finally... Show me this skill then? In h2h combat of course... because every time I've seen him fight other bricks (excluding possibly Hulk).. he fights.... like... a brick. 😐

feats like what?
produce them.

I was talking about the Namor fight in Namor issue 24.. and as far as new Invaders goes, it was Namor who attacked first, when he batted Wolverine out of the building and flew out there, after Wolverine says "your funeral" Namor goes right back into a fighting stance so don't pretend like Wolverine got in some sort of unexpected blow there.. especially when you people are tossin that Wonder Man example up and down the forum all day long.

No it's because that's the point of the thread, to find out who would win in a fight where Thor has to slug it out against Wolverine.. it's not that hard to figure out.. If he has to grab things to keep him from getting in close with Wolverine then he can't..
He doesn't have his magic abilities, he lost them by the second page of this thread. 🤨

prove it.

Hardly matters.

Great compared to someone like night thrasher sure... compared to someone like Wolvie or Cap? ❌

Sentry can't be cut by Wolverine's claws, Sentry attacked Logan after he lost a ton of blood having his neck buzzsawed, and Sentry is > Thor, until I see the day where Thor breaks every bone in Hulk's body.

No Thor is going to grab them with two hands then put both of them in one hand. Seeing as Thor has already broken admantium once(Yes I know it was weaker version) I'm going to sya that admantium really isn't that big a deal to Thor.

Isn't that the same thing I see certain people throw out all the time with Wolverine. That he is so old and experienced 😬

The fact is that Thor is been around far longer than Namor. And as for the Cap thing. Thor is often impressed by mortals that doesn't mean that they are greater than him. And no I'm not saying that Thor is more skilled than Cap just letting you know that isn't a good point you made.

I was hoping I wouldn't have to spell this out to you but seeing as I don't have a choice. The fact is Thor is very skilled. The fact is that where Wolverine's skill advantage is a very helpful thing it isn't so here. Thor is skilled enough to counter that is all he needs.

And as for him using skill against other bricks he has done so many times against the Juggernaut. Tho used his godly reflexes as well to avoid his blows with ease. 😬

Superspeed feats like running across Manhattan in a heartbeat. Moving so fast Hela couldn't see him. 😉

And might have been getting into a fighting stance he was still talking the entire time.

And last time I checked jinzin a H2H fight means that they are fighting without using his powers not that he is completely bound by only being able to punch. Either way it doesn't change a thing Thor still wins.

Did you just say Sentry>Thor 😆

I dare you to make a thread and see how that turns out 😉

the fact is that Sentry has no feat that puts him above Thor even durability feats. Thor has never been cut by adamantium. Even in the scan you showed of Wolverine beating Herc I see no blood coming from Herc.

Thor does exactly what Sentry did to Wolverine seeing as Thor>sentry

Originally posted by jinzin
No it can't.. for one everything that you've been stated about the Sun's pressure is hypothosized.
Two, it's also hypothosized that the sun has a way of contorting energy to nullify inward pressure to keep it from collapsing on itself by way of pushing energies outward to establisgh a continual equilibrium.
and three, it's comparible as a knife and a buckshot are to a bullet proof vest.. shotgun blast has more power but most likely won't go through, a knife however....

I just don't think you quite realize how damned sharp those claws are..
oh and Four, you're STILL ignoring the fact that you're grasping at straws here.. trying to discredit something that Logan has already proven he can do.

Low compared to a pissed off Hulk.. low compared to other class 100s? ❌

wasn't that kinda the point? 😕

Many? maybe.. Would he win the fights? hell no... he'd bleed out and fall unconcious the way sasquatch did to wildchild or oh idunno.. THIS WAY:
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/6109/abomeu7.jpg

That is because of the material it is made of. You know the reason why a bullet proof vest stops a bullet is because the material wraps around it absorbing the impact. That is why a knife penetrates it because it has continual pressure applied. A samething would happen with the bullet if its momentum wasn't stopped 😬

You put a metal plate in front of a knife and it isn't cutting through and a bullet isn't going through. A poor analogy Jinzin

Thor's bidy has withstood Surfer's Blasts, Loki's blasts.

And I'm not the one grasping at straws. Thor has great durability feats. Wolverine hardly is ever shown to score a fatal hit on the Hulk. Thor is much more skilled, faster, and just as tough as the Hulk.

The fact you believe that Wolverine is going to be able to fight the Thor like he can Hulk is wrong.

Originally posted by jinzin
And loses both arms and his guts in the process, then while he's trying to run away with what's left of himself Logan's already healed.

I doubt that would happen. Thor is a more experienced fighter and he could grab Wolverine wrist with one hand and then pummels Wolverine to he is K.O'ed

jinzin has a hard on for ninja type guys. He claims Snake-Eyes can beat Spiderman. So i don't think anyone is going to convince him Thor can pummel Wolverine....

Thor can beat wolvering with no lighting, and no hammer powers. He's too strong and a superior fighter to The HULK. the hUlk gives wolvie a hard time and the hulk can't fight nearly as well as Thor.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Thor can beat wolvering with no lighting, and no hammer powers. He's too strong and a superior fighter to The HULK. the hUlk gives wolvie a hard time and the hulk can't fight nearly as well as Thor.

Originally posted by Faceman
jinzin has a hard on for ninja type guys. He claims Snake-Eyes can beat Spiderman. So i don't think anyone is going to convince him Thor can pummel Wolverine....

Do is superhuman in every area. He easily as faster and quick as spiderman and far far far far more skilled. It not a stretch at all to think snake eyes can defeat spiderman. If the fight goes to close quarters spiderman would be totally ****ed.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Thor can beat wolvering with no lighting, and no hammer powers. He's too strong and a superior fighter to The HULK. the hUlk gives wolvie a hard time and the hulk can't fight nearly as well as Thor.

Hulk beats Wolverine, because the Hulk (pay attention please) has a healing factor that negates any damage Wolverine dishes out almost instantaneously. Does Thor have that luxury? No. End of story.

If you think Thor wins the a majority then you either believe a) Wolverine isn't go to land a single hit on Thor b) Wolverine's claw can't penetrate Thor's skin, c) Thor can one shot Wolverine or d) all of the above. If you believe anyone of those then you are ignoring 35 years of character history in favor of what ever twisted fanfic you are running in your head and have no business being on a comic book forum...

and if option d) is in line with your opinion the you fail at life and might as well end it. 😛

Originally posted by capt it up
umm..............do you know any thing about snake eyes.........

Do is superhuman in every area. He easily as faster and quick as spiderman and far far far far more skilled. It not a stretch at all to think snake eyes can defeat spiderman. If the fight goes to close quarters spiderman would be totally ****ed.