Thor (without Mjolnir) VS Wolverine

Originally posted by jinzin
So basically you're jst coming in here ignoring previous arguments that don't suit Thor well, and started mough blabin without any proof to back yourself up... well at least you're consistent...

🙄

No, your arguments, like before, are garbage. You claim Wolverine can "gut" Thor with no conclusive evidence supporting such a claim. You gave some bullshit explanation as to why Thor can't send Wolverine into orbit, although previous evidence displays otherwise. Oddly for some reason you believe Wolverine to be faster because of a few low showings from Thor although it's been made fairly clear that his better showings far outstrip his lower ones. To counter these better showings you say his lower feats contradict his better showings so you ignore them, yet at the same time push to use Wolverines best showings, ignoring all of his lower showings in which he has shown incapable of cutting top tier characters. Now I believe your arguing the ridiculous non canon Thanos, Bone Claw Wolverine feat. It goes on and on, and I don't feel the need to argue with a fanboy. Your essay of a post isn't needed in response to my post by the way.

Thor 10/10

Oh and Jin, go read New Avengers #7. You'll see Wolverine and the Avengers being owned by the Wrecker. You'll see How Wolverine reflexes pale in comparison to Wreckers, how he's countered even when Wrecker had Web in his face and Wolverine was already in mid air, and how Wrecker grabs Wolverine's hand mid swing.

So much for Wolverines super reflexes.....

I need to add some more t my post. Like Wrecker, Wolverine has only shown capable of scratching and annoying or slightly hurting them. There is no evidence supporting claims that Wolverine could cut through or "gut" either of them. There's actually proof supporting the exact opposite.

Spear to the chest ftw.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Spear to the chest ftw.

Add the magic part....

Bah,swords have hurt him...

still Tor wins 10/10

Thor 1M/1M

FanboZZZZZ
velho

I can't believe this is still ongoing, Yes Wolverines claws are cutting Thor, regardless of whether hes been hurt by bullets and swords and spears.

Wolverines claws cut most people, they are after al meant to be able to cut through anything.

That doesn't mean that Wolverine gets the auto win, to be fair to Logan though he has a good record against guys a lot stronger than he is and his healing factor and admantium skeleton keeps him in it with Class 100 guys.

He is very skilled hand to hand but Thor is no slouch either, just because he doesn't know 100's of different types of martial arts doesn't mean hes not a good fighter hand to hand, no the word "God" doesn't mean that much in Marvel unless you're a skyfather.

But it does mean thousands of years of combat experience, guys like Thor and Hercules have plowed through armies singlehanded and if you look at the fights Thor and Herc have had with each other, both display knowledge of fighting moves and agility that for such big guys, is impressive.

Again though it comes down to feat wars in these arguments but both characters have there high and low showings, every character has low showings.

Going hand to hand levels the field a little for Logan, he used to mess up guys like Rough house who is part frost giant on a regular basis when he was in Mandripoor (god knows if I spelt that right) and as he was pretending to be Patch at the time, I don't even think he popped his claws?

Now Thor is a league above Roughhouse but it shows he can mix it with Bricks in a fist fight.

I still think Thor has too much for Logan, hes not going to fight like Hulk and Logan isn't Mongoose fast (incidently the "plot device" he used on Spiderman is part of his arsenal) so he is tagging Wolverine.

Wolverine is also cutting Thor and I could even see him maybe snatching a few in a forum fight.

All in All though I would give a solid 8/10 to Thor, bearing in mind what Logan is capable of going all out which according to forum rules he would be.

Originally posted by Hercules
I can't believe this is still ongoing, Yes Wolverines claws are cutting Thor, regardless of whether hes been hurt by bullets and swords and spears.

Wolverines claws cut most people, they are after al meant to be able to cut through anything.

That doesn't mean that Wolverine gets the auto win, to be fair to Logan though he has a good record against guys a lot stronger than he is and his healing factor and admantium skeleton keeps him in it with Class 100 guys.

He is very skilled hand to hand but Thor is no slouch either, just because he doesn't know 100's of different types of martial arts doesn't mean hes not a good fighter hand to hand, no the word "God" doesn't mean that much in Marvel unless you're a skyfather.

But it does mean thousands of years of combat experience, guys like Thor and Hercules have plowed through armies singlehanded and if you look at the fights Thor and Herc have had with each other, both display knowledge of fighting moves and agility that for such big guys, is impressive.

Again though it comes down to feat wars in these arguments but both characters have there high and low showings, every character has low showings.

Going hand to hand levels the field a little for Logan, he used to mess up guys like Rough house who is part frost giant on a regular basis when he was in Mandripoor (god knows if I spelt that right) and as he was pretending to be Patch at the time, I don't even think he popped his claws?

Now Thor is a league above Roughhouse but it shows he can mix it with Bricks in a fist fight.

I still think Thor has too much for Logan, hes not going to fight like Hulk and Logan isn't Mongoose fast (incidently the "plot device" he used on Spiderman is part of his arsenal) so he is tagging Wolverine.

Wolverine is also cutting Thor and I could even see him maybe snatching a few in a forum fight.

All in All though I would give a solid 8/10 to Thor, bearing in mind what Logan is capable of going all out which according to forum rules he would be.

Wolverine won't get that luck shot he needs.

Originally posted by jinzin

No, just beat him with pure strength.. 🙄

I've already explained the scenario about Mortal Herc.

And that Wolverine probably wore him down. You even said that is a tactic wolverine has used before. By the way you never gave me the issue number for the Herc/Wolverine table incident.

We have looked at the scan and you like twist things.

The fact is Wolverine never cut him even on the hit we do see. There are no signs blood visible even on the panel later.

What other possibility is there 😬

Originally posted by His Airness
No, your arguments, like before, are garbage. You claim Wolverine can "gut" Thor with no conclusive evidence supporting such a claim. You gave some bullshit explanation as to why Thor can't send Wolverine into orbit, although previous evidence displays otherwise.

I show Wolverine doing the ol'l lice and dice on multiple people who are in the class 100 range, I show Wolverine cut Thor, KO Hecr, drop Namor.... yet you say I haven't conclusively proven anything so you ignore it, but you post up one picture of Thor punching someone into space automatically defer to the benefit of the doubt that he'll be able to do so to Wolverine here... Cause, he'll for sure be able to grab Wolverine by the wrist, and Wolverine will let him, Wolverine won't be trying to evade the punch, or attack Thor in turn or anthing like that, and Thor will always land his punches and they will always sent Wolverine to space. 🙄

Originally posted by His Airness
Oddly for some reason you believe Wolverine to be faster because of a few low showings from Thor although it's been made fairly clear that his better showings far outstrip his lower ones. To counter these better showings you say his lower feats contradict his better showings so you ignore them, yet at the same time push to use Wolverines best showings, ignoring all of his lower showings in which he has shown incapable of cutting top tier characters.

Originally posted by His Airness
Now I believe your arguing the ridiculous non canon Thanos, Bone Claw Wolverine feat. It goes on and on, and I don't feel the need to argue with a fanboy. Your essay of a post isn't needed in response to my post by the way.

Thor 10/10

Originally posted by His Airness
Oh and Jin, go read New Avengers #7. You'll see Wolverine and the Avengers being owned by the Wrecker. You'll see How Wolverine reflexes pale in comparison to Wreckers, how he's countered even when Wrecker had Web in his face and Wolverine was already in mid air, and how Wrecker grabs Wolverine's hand mid swing.

So much for Wolverines super reflexes.....

You want to argue low showings as a copout to Thor's speed and yet you bring up a fight in which not only was Wrecker suped up for the fight while every other hero was written down (not just Wolverine), but a fight that was later stated to be skewed due to SW's pheramones anyways... And perhaps you should pick up New Avengers 8 where Wolverine gets back to the fight and basically wrecks Wrecker.
Hell you look at Wrecker's history and you easily see he's NEVER been a "faster than Wolverine AND Spidermn can react to" fighter.

Iron Fist was too fast for him.
Cap was too fast for him.
Hulk's been too fast for him....
But he has one good fight against the New Avengers, and because he whoops up on Wolvie for a part of it that's his new and definite standard?
Yeah except for the fact that Toxin one shotted him. 😐

Originally posted by His Airness
I need to add some more t my post. Like Wrecker, Wolverine has only shown capable of scratching and annoying or slightly hurting them. There is no evidence supporting claims that Wolverine could cut through or "gut" either of them. There's actually proof supporting the exact opposite.

Every time Wolverine hit, he caused substantial damage, he NEVER went for a stab, and he actually caused Wrecker so much pain he dropped his crowbar... there's no evidence to say that he can't.

Originally posted by jinzin
I show Wolverine doing the ol'l lice and dice on multiple people who are in the class 100 range, I show Wolverine cut Thor, KO Hecr, drop Namor.... yet you say I haven't conclusively proven anything so you ignore it, but you post up one picture of Thor punching someone into space automatically defer to the benefit of the doubt that he'll be able to do so to Wolverine here... Cause, he'll for sure be able to grab Wolverine by the wrist, and Wolverine will let him, Wolverine won't be trying to evade the punch, or attack Thor in turn or anthing like that, and Thor will always land his punches and they will always sent Wolverine to space. 🙄

What about CON-SIS-TEN-CY isn't gettin through that skull o' yours? Wolverine takes on class 100's and does well more often than not, he slices and dices them more often then not, Thor has 2 fights against Sufer and you think that's his standard.. it's absurd..
Spiderman's had more fights with sufer, but when he does it, it's PIS according to you, in spite of Spiderman bieng on a feat for feat basis... faster than Thor in combat.. You HAVEN'T posted the fight like I requested, you HAVEN'T supplied proof that Thor's faster, and the ONLY evidence that ANY ONE'S given to dispute the damage Wolverine can do to Thor is Hulk who has a healing factor, Sentry who's > Thor in this thread, and Captain America's Shield?

You're skewing why that was brought up and how it was brought up out of context. You're STILL under the impression that calling me a fanboy takes away from the validity of my FACTS.
And no, you don't get to just walk away with this with the last word without supporting yourself with proof, so I'm not just gonna sit here and take this nonsense from you.

He also has speed feats like running across Manhattan in a few heart beats 😬

He has already fought a Wolverine clone(kinda)

Sentry isn't>Thor and there is no evidence to support that. 😬

You show Wolverine cutting King Thor who was fighting off other people. And later he melts Wolverine so I guess that means he could tear Wolverine's arms off seeing as how King Thor was still new to the Odin Power and most of his feats could have been reproduced by normal Thor😬

Namor is less than Thor in everything. Hulk isn't even remotely skilled or fast enough like Thor is.

At this point I recall it was you who brought up the Herc feat like Wolverine actually cut him when there is no evidence for it 😬

Originally posted by Hercules
I can't believe this is still ongoing, Yes Wolverines claws are cutting Thor, regardless of whether hes been hurt by bullets and swords and spears.

Wolverines claws cut most people, they are after al meant to be able to cut through anything.

That doesn't mean that Wolverine gets the auto win, to be fair to Logan though he has a good record against guys a lot stronger than he is and his healing factor and admantium skeleton keeps him in it with Class 100 guys.

He is very skilled hand to hand but Thor is no slouch either, just because he doesn't know 100's of different types of martial arts doesn't mean hes not a good fighter hand to hand, no the word "God" doesn't mean that much in Marvel unless you're a skyfather.

But it does mean thousands of years of combat experience, guys like Thor and Hercules have plowed through armies singlehanded and if you look at the fights Thor and Herc have had with each other, both display knowledge of fighting moves and agility that for such big guys, is impressive.

Again though it comes down to feat wars in these arguments but both characters have there high and low showings, every character has low showings.

Going hand to hand levels the field a little for Logan, he used to mess up guys like Rough house who is part frost giant on a regular basis when he was in Mandripoor (god knows if I spelt that right) and as he was pretending to be Patch at the time, I don't even think he popped his claws?

Now Thor is a league above Roughhouse but it shows he can mix it with Bricks in a fist fight.

I still think Thor has too much for Logan, hes not going to fight like Hulk and Logan isn't Mongoose fast (incidently the "plot device" he used on Spiderman is part of his arsenal) so he is tagging Wolverine.

Wolverine is also cutting Thor and I could even see him maybe snatching a few in a forum fight.

All in All though I would give a solid 8/10 to Thor, bearing in mind what Logan is capable of going all out which according to forum rules he would be.

Originally posted by Newjak
Well Thor also has fights against Glads, Firelord 😬

Originally posted by Newjak
He also has speed feats like running across Manhattan in a few heart beats 😬

He has already fought a Wolverine clone(kinda)

Wolverine clone? So what? Wolverine's taken down practically 70% of Marvel's brick characters and that doesn't matter when he' fighting Thor apparently.

Originally posted by Newjak
Sentry isn't>Thor and there is no evidence to support that. 😬

Originally posted by Newjak
You show Wolverine cutting King Thor who was fighting off other people. And later he melts Wolverine so I guess that means he could tear Wolverine's arms off seeing as how King Thor was still new to the Odin Power and most of his feats could have been reproduced by normal Thor😬

Originally posted by Newjak
Namor is less than Thor in everything. Hulk isn't even remotely skilled or fast enough like Thor is.

Hulk isn't as skilled but by FAR better in damage soak.

Originally posted by Newjak
At this point I recall it was you who brought up the Herc feat like Wolverine actually cut him when there is no evidence for it 😬

Originally posted by jinzin
Scans?
The Glads fight is skewed, Glads was winning that fight before getting cheap shotted after saving a plane.

scans? meh we already covered that running speed doesn't reflect fighting speeds.. Rhino, and Nuke can run incredibly fast.. doesn't reflect their fighting speed.

Wolverine clone? So what? Wolverine's taken down practically 70% of Marvel's brick characters and that doesn't matter when he' fighting Thor apparently.

He certainly is in this thread.. are you insane?

He can tear Wolverine's arm off because Odin-force melted Wolverine?
😕

Speed? No. Skill? No. Strength? Not when they fought. Durability? Not according to Hercules, bullets OR the Hulk.

Hulk isn't as skilled but by FAR better in damage soak.

Because there's no other explaination for victory except for your stretch that he exhausted himself.
In a comic that didn't provide the time for it, under which we still haven't conclusively proven that's mortal herc... 😬

Except Rhino doesn't run across Manhattan in the time it takes for a heart to beat 😬

Correction Wolverine hasn't taken down 70% of Marvel Bricks. He has taken down a few high class ones like Namor and Hulk then there is a big drop off in the level of people he actually has a win against. The Bricks he does best against are the big brainless ones. Namor can give him a fight.

You do understand what I mean right. Thor is stronger, faster, and more durable than Namor. Namor can not stand inside of a sun, Lift the Midgard Serpent, or run or fly as fast as Thor has. 😬

And what are you talking about stretch. Wolverine out lasting Herc isn't that far fetched if it was Mortal Herc.

It isn't like you are exactly making sense with your notion that Wolverine cut Herc so badly he could no longer fight even though that means he would have had to cut him in the back, legs, and arms. Two out of three are areas where a Berserk Wolverine wouldn't even dream of actually hitting.

And yes it would have been Mortal Herc because he was before Bone Claw. 😬

And why exactly is Sentry>Thor in this thread even though there is no evidence to support that idea at all. everything sentry can do Thor has proven to have the abilities to do it as well.

And with the Odin Force he was still quite new to it. His feats with it are feats Normal Thor could have done. So by all accounts yes anything King Thor did Thor should be able to do 😬

Originally posted by Newjak
Yet Glads was still using speed

Originally posted by Newjak
Except Rhino doesn't run across Manhattan in the time it takes for a heart to beat 😬

Examples of running fast doesn't refelct that Thor is fast in a fight, examples of Thor being fast in a fight is a good way to deomonstrate that he's fast in a fight.

Originally posted by Newjak
Correction Wolverine hasn't taken down 70% of Marvel Bricks. He has taken down a few high class ones like Namor and Hulk then there is a big drop off in the level of people he actually has a win against. The Bricks he does best against are the big brainless ones. Namor can give him a fight.

Originally posted by Newjak
You do understand what I mean right. Thor is stronger, faster, and more durable than Namor. Namor can not stand inside of a sun, Lift the Midgard Serpent, or run or fly as fast as Thor has. 😬

Thor wasn't stronger in their fight.
He's not faster in combat, namors feats far surpass his.
and Namor's more durable where it counts as he can deflect bullets, and stand up to being stabbed in the chest.

Originally posted by Newjak
And what are you talking about stretch. Wolverine out lasting Herc isn't that far fetched if it was Mortal Herc.

Originally posted by Newjak
It isn't like you are exactly making sense with your notion that Wolverine cut Herc so badly he could no longer fight even though that means he would have had to cut him in the back, legs, and arms. Two out of three are areas where a Berserk Wolverine wouldn't even dream of actually hitting.

or the gut, neck, or back of the head... and
Why wouldn't he again?

Originally posted by Newjak
And yes it would have been Mortal Herc because he was before Bone Claw. 😬.

Originally posted by Newjak
And why exactly is Sentry>Thor in this thread even though there is no evidence to support that idea at all. everything sentry can do Thor has proven to have the abilities to do it as well.

Originally posted by Newjak
And with the Odin Force he was still quite new to it. His feats with it are feats Normal Thor could have done. So by all accounts yes anything King Thor did Thor should be able to do 😬

Originally posted by jinzin
Adn if I'm not mistaken Thor was having trouble with just that before landing his cheap shot.

I'm not saying Rhino can run as fast as Thor, you're missing the point, it's the principle that's important here.

Examples of running fast doesn't refelct that Thor is fast in a fight, examples of Thor being fast in a fight is a good way to deomonstrate that he's fast in a fight.

still, I gave a decently lengthy list of bricks he's taken down in fights, and almost all of them are big names.
Namor's failed to beat him 4 time out of 4, has been KOed in two of those battles, had help in 2 of them and admitted his inferiority in Namor #25......... 😐
Brainless ones?.. Like Kierrok, Namor, Thing, Herc, Proffesor Hulk, Rough House? pssshh...

Thor can't fly as fast as Thor has... 😕 he gets pulled by his hammer..

Thor wasn't stronger in their fight.
He's not faster in combat, namors feats far surpass his.
and Namor's more durable where it counts as he can deflect bullets, and stand up to being stabbed in the chest.

Yeah if there was time for Herc to fight to the point of exhaustion, the battles were taking place too fast in context for that to be true.

or the gut, neck, or back of the head... and
Why wouldn't he again?

ah I see.

He's borken every bone in Hulk's body with his mind alone? 😕

except that he doesn't have odin force in this thread.. why do you keep making me explain this to you?

I know what you are saying but then again all degrees of actual SuperSpeed come with some form of Superreactions otherwise Thor would have ran through every building or car or person in front of him.

Just because they are big names doesn't mean they are as tough or as good as Thor.

I would like to point out against those Brainy ones he doesn't really have too many wins. Thing and Prof. Hulk he doesn't have wins against. and I said Namor can give him a fight which he always does not that he can win. If Namor can give him a fight then Thor who is better in every way would do more.

Namor hasn't taken have the punishment Thor has, nor does he have the actual strength feats of Thor. Namor has never been in Thor's or Herc's league.

Say it with me jinzin Mortal Herc had normal human endurance meaning yes even in very brief battles he could have been wore down especially against someone who wouldn't stop coming.

Berserk Wolverine wouldn't go after the legs because they are not kills. He would focus on the head and body. And seeing as Herc took the shot from Wolverine in the head I'm inclined to say he was going for the head.

And Sentry had trouble lifting the Helicarrier when Thor has lifted far more. Heck Thor has effortlessly moved an entire island base.

And the point is that Thor with the Odinforce didn't do anything that Normal Thor hasn't done before.

Need I remind you that two of the examples you brought up so I'm just going by what you've said.

So based on feats you have brought in Wolverine couldn't cut Mortal Herc and Thor has beaten both Thing and Hulk to death with his bare hand.

Originally posted by Newjak
He was still keeping up with Glads and that is enough.

Originally posted by Newjak
I know what you are saying but then again all degrees of actual SuperSpeed come with some form of Superreactions otherwise Thor would have ran through every building or car or person in front of him.

Originally posted by Newjak
Just because they are big names doesn't mean they are as tough or as good as Thor.

Originally posted by Newjak
I would like to point out against those Brainy ones he doesn't really have too many wins. Thing and Prof. Hulk he doesn't have wins against. and I said Namor can give him a fight which he always does not that he can win. If Namor can give him a fight then Thor who is better in every way would do more.

Originally posted by Newjak
Namor hasn't taken have the punishment Thor has, nor does he have the actual strength feats of Thor. Namor has never been in Thor's or Herc's league.

I'd say he's VERY much in their league, you're being asinine now. Stop just saying Thor is these things and hoping that's enough.. you need proof.
Namor has tons of feats that Thor doesn't have. so what? When it comes down to it they're in the same league.

Originally posted by Newjak
Say it with me jinzin Mortal Herc had normal human endurance meaning yes even in very brief battles he could have been wore down especially against someone who wouldn't stop coming.

Originally posted by Newjak
Berserk Wolverine wouldn't go after the legs because they are not kills. He would focus on the head and body. And seeing as Herc took the shot from Wolverine in the head I'm inclined to say he was going for the head.

Originally posted by Newjak
And Sentry had trouble lifting the Helicarrier when Thor has lifted far more. Heck Thor has effortlessly moved an entire island base.

When?

Originally posted by Newjak
And the point is that Thor with the Odinforce didn't do anything that Normal Thor hasn't done before.

Originally posted by Newjak
Need I remind you that two of the examples you brought up so I'm just going by what you've said.

So based on feats you have brought in Wolverine couldn't cut Mortal Herc and Thor has beaten both Thing and Hulk to death with his bare hand.