Who is more evil, Voldemort or Darth Sidious ?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
1) Didn't see anything that implies this in Utriga's quotes. Can you post the specific scene where this was said?

Anyway, regardless, I can certainly see and agree about the possibility that their authority over each other is determined on a per project basis. Happens often enough IRL, after all. As long as we can agree to Tarkin being the official highest ranking officer in the Death Star (as that is my primary point anyway).

Disclaimer: Before someone interjects or uses this discussion we're having to call me out on past/future debates: Yes, I KNOW that if we DO still follow the forum rules, even canon novels are disregarded for forum MvS discussions. And yes, I know I was the one who asked for the ruling and got it. And no, I am not being a hypocrite by being more accepting of novel quotes for this specific discussion as this is more of a side discussion rather than the primary OP. And yes, I apologize for derailing.

2) Agree. No one wants a potential future boss to be mad at them if it can be avoided at all. The only on screen movie interaction they had was in the Death Star anyway, so that's all we'll be able to discuss atm.

I can certainly see Vader outranking (or at the very least be equal to) Tarkin somewhere else as a possibilty. Might even see it in Rogue One, who knows?

I'll have to check but I have a feeling that most Utriga's quotes were from the old Eu which wasn't and isn't canon.

Will try to find the exact quote from the Tarkin novel over the weekend.

Until shortly before ESB, Vader typically operated outside the formal chain of command. His standing was entirely based on the Emperor's discretion.

Tarkin definitely barked an order to Vader in ANH and Vader definitely obeyed it. Was that due to superior rank? Or simply because Tarkin commanded Vader's respect? Perhaps both?

I'm sure you could make an argument any which way. But one thing is damn certain: Vader wasn't the man in charge in ANH.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have. You don't have the balls to never attempt one. That battlezone was tainted since a judge admitted his decision was made prior to the argument. You made an excuse to back to him and you made an excuse to back down to me. You never tried to battlezone TI and gave excuses why you weren't available for weeks. You're a ***** whi makes excuses so I'll treat you like a *****.

You have no pride or spine, *****. 😂

Here comes the rage loop over and over. You were crushed in every BZ you ever did. Stop making up excuse that simply aren't true. You lost the debate, and convincingly so. That is why all true Thanos fans laugh at you. The character you know and like the most, and you failed. Pathetic. Don't be mad that you can't win one kiddo, that isn't our fault.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Pov and Anakin later said from his pov the Jedi were evil. Povs aren't facts they are perspectives, dope. Sidious wasn't evil incarnate and he only tried killing his sworn enemies after they attacked and scarred him. He already blabbed to Anakin about his Sith power.

Anakin said from his POV the jedi were evil because..he was evil and corrupt and twisted by the dark side. Remember this person shanked children. I don't think his perceptions of good and evil are to be trusted.

A person's point of view isn't that important if it's based purely on delusions.

He only tried killing his enemies after they attacked and scarred him? Um no dude, that's not at all what happened. Did you notice how at the end of the arrest attempt it was Mace vs Sidious? Just Mace, alone, against Sidious. Did you also notice Mace arrived with several other jedi at the beginning?

Hmm, whatever happened to those fellows? Oh wait, Mace Windu told Palpatine he was under arrest and then at the end of that discussion he pulls out a lightsaber, leaps forward, and begins stabbing people.

Palpatine wasn't just defending himself, he wanted an excuse to try to fight these people. He was in control of the Senate so he could have just let himself get arrested because..as I said, he actually controlled the Senate. But instead he points out how futile it would be to arrest him and then starts attacking people. Stop acting like he was just backed into a corner. He created this entire scenario. If from his POV he is the victim then that just goes to show the level of insanity this person is working with.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you're being s jackass and making more silly statements outside of the gdf forum to further demonstrate your instability.

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Originally posted by Surtur

A person's point of view isn't that important if it's based purely on delusions

For example: Quanchi's opinions- Worthless.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Here comes the rage loop over and over. You were crushed in every BZ you ever did. Stop making up excuse that simply aren't true. You lost the debate, and convincingly so. That is why all true Thanos fans laugh at you. The character you know and like the most, and you failed. Pathetic. Don't be mad that you can't win one kiddo, that isn't our fault.

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Continue to back down.

Originally posted by Surtur
Anakin said from his POV the jedi were evil because..he was evil and corrupt and twisted by the dark side. Remember this person shanked children. I don't think his perceptions of good and evil are to be trusted.

A person's point of view isn't that important if it's based purely on delusions.

He only tried killing his enemies after they attacked and scarred him? Um no dude, that's not at all what happened. Did you notice how at the end of the arrest attempt it was Mace vs Sidious? Just Mace, alone, against Sidious. Did you also notice Mace arrived with several other jedi at the beginning?
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they armed themselves first and came at him. He defended himself and he killed in combat those who tried to kill him. Self defense isn't murder, ninny.

Hmm, whatever happened to those fellows? Oh wait, Mace Windu told Palpatine he was under arrest and then at the end of that discussion he pulls out a lightsaber, leaps forward, and begins stabbing people.

Palpatine wasn't just defending himself, he wanted an excuse to try to fight these people. He was in control of the Senate so he could have just let himself get arrested because..as I said, he actually controlled the Senate. But instead he points out how futile it would be to arrest him and then starts attacking people. Stop acting like he was just backed into a corner. He created this entire scenario. If from his POV he is the victim then that just goes to show the level of insanity this person is working with.

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They came for him and threatened his freedom. Palpatine defended himself. They threatened him and armed themselves. The Jedi started the confrontation. He def ended himself. The Jedi were wrong according to him. He fully believes that. Good and evil are just points of view. Nothing more you nitwit.

He was and guess what happened all the Jedi were killed. Served them right. They were weak and needed to be wiped out.

Voldemort is the obvious answer to this thread. He's more evil than Palpatine.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
For example: Quanchi's opinions- Worthless.

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Completely worthless...

Quanchi's only useful for trolling purposes...

Originally posted by Darth Thor
For example: Quanchi's opinions- Worthless.

Who has done more heinous atrocities? An entire Galaxy ended up being oppressed because of Palpatine's Galactic Empire.

Originally posted by Igniz
Who has done more heinous atrocities? An entire Galaxy ended up being oppressed because of Palpatine's Galactic Empire.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Pov and the scope doesn't make someone more evil.

I didn't even went with the POV argument. A person could still believe they are not evil yet would still commit heinous acts of atrocities. Cult leaders for example could still believe they are not evil but could order their Subordinates to gas a public place in order to prove their devotion to their Cult. This would still make them evil. This is the reason why I went with the "who has done more heinous acts of atrocities" argument. I'm pretty sure a lot of People in that Galaxy would want to see Palpatine dead because of the atrocities that his Galactic Empire has committed in his name.

Originally posted by Igniz
I didn't even went with the POV argument. A person could still believe they are not evil yet would still commit heinous acts of atrocities. Cult leaders for example could still believe they are not evil but could order their Subordinates to gas a public place in order to prove their devotion to their Cult. This would still make them evil. This is the reason why I went with the "who has done more heinous acts of atrocities" argument. I'm pretty sure a lot of People in that Galaxy would want to see Palpatine dead because of the atrocities that his Galactic Empire has committed in his name.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What acts of evil has he done ? That just means there are more people in the galaxy than in the magical world of Harry Potter. That doesn't prove who is more evil just whi has more people. Name some evil things he's done. This shouldn't be hard.

Orchestrated the Clone Wars to put himself in power to become the Emperor of the Galactic Empire. Imagine how many died in the Clone Wars(Clones,Jedis, and Civilians). After the Empire was formed alien races like wookies were enslaved to be put to work on the first Death Star. Some of this alien races were even used as test subjects for chemical weapons. Palpatine even enjoyed tormenting the populace of Naboo his homeworld.

Palpatine wins easily...

Excuse me; as per quanchi himself...

Surtur wins (against Thanos)...

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Thanks for reminding me of that Igniz!

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Originally posted by Igniz
I didn't even went with the POV argument. A person could still believe they are not evil yet would still commit heinous acts of atrocities. Cult leaders for example could still believe they are not evil but could order their Subordinates to gas a public place in order to prove their devotion to their Cult. This would still make them evil. This is the reason why I went with the "who has done more heinous acts of atrocities" argument. I'm pretty sure a lot of People in that Galaxy would want to see Palpatine dead because of the atrocities that his Galactic Empire has committed in his name.

I've already brought up this point citing ISIS as an example. I guess they aren't bad guys either because they believe they're in the right?

Quanchi is very stupid.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Quanchi is very stupid.

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I'm glad I'm not the only one who realizes this...

Originally posted by Igniz
Orchestrated the Clone Wars to put himself in power to become the Emperor of the Galactic Empire. Imagine how many died in the Clone Wars(Clones,Jedis, and Civilians). After the Empire was formed alien races like wookies were enslaved to be put to work on the first Death Star. Some of this alien races were even used as test subjects for chemical weapons. Palpatine even enjoyed tormenting the populace of Naboo his homeworld.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Palpatine wins easily...