Originally posted by vansonbee
So IF can dodge bullets at ease as well, so that could be say for Wolverine, if he wanted too.Who faster? Slade or IF, still leaning toward Slade for messing up kid flash and tripping flash, and clowning superman once.
I'd say reflexes Slade would be faster but not fast to the point where eh can't be hit. Movement and fight speed prolly a wash.
Originally posted by jalek moyethey do in low showings......everybody has them, but slades are always the main vocal point in a forum match on kmc. Honestly those types of showings are less numerous/consistent than the ones people love to call pis. Why theyre viewed as the norm is a mystery. It really is dcs fault though. They displayed at a completely different levels of formmidability depending on how theyre feeling. Still though, if the saying "majority rules" has any truth to it at all, Slade is being way undersold around here.
Like all Slade threads this becoming the whole him against heralds vs him against low metas and streets debate. Hopefully with the reboot dc decides what to do with him because right now it seems to be both. He can take lightspeeders and drop class 100s but at the same time streets and low metas can fight and hurt him. before all the blah blah he wins against them. Not my point, mine is that they effectively fight against him and dodge/harm him.
Originally posted by Omega VisionI completely agree with this. Many of those supposed low showings are due to slade simply not being all that concerned with street levelers. He always puts his job first. The fact that hes effortlessly owned many of the same street levelers hes had "problems" with only further supports his case.
I'd point out that many of Slade's 'poor showings' against non-meta MAs are like Spider-Man's showings against certain non-Metas: a result of Slade holding back.Not saying they didn't happen, just suggesting that Slade can and has stepped his game up when the competition improves.
Slade's above street levelers, no question.
It's the Identity Crisis team pwning, holding his own with Wonder Woman in high heels, or tagging Flash that's PISy.
Even Danny Rand shouldn't be able to perform those feats.
And speaking of feats, has Slade ever actually timed a bullet?
I'm fairly confident if he does, Danny is still a good match considering he has some impressive durability feats, and his Iron Fist lets him hit beyond his weight class..
Tagging speedsters makes little sense, but its something that Slade does a lot. To the point that it becomes consistent PIS, something that you can still rule out in a serious debate but which cannot be so easily dismissed.
I wouldn't have Slade tagging Flash if I wrote him. And I'm a big Slade fanboy.
Originally posted by cdtm
You'd better believe it:About the equivalent of her bullet dance.
And this exceeds any bullet feat Cass has, by far. This is exactly as impressive as slapping aside individual bullets from a hail of machine gun fire, as flechettes travel at bullet velocities at short range.
he pullin off karate kid type shiet there..
was gonna go with Stroke, but now gotta go wit DRand. 6/10
Originally posted by cdtmNot sure what you mean by "timed", but he has dodged bullets:
And speaking of feats, has Slade ever actually timed a bullet?
Originally posted by Omega VisionImo, consistent PIS isn't PIS at all. Slade has shown the ability to routinely get the better of speedsters (Kid Flash, for instance), and routinely get the better of characters in the upper echelon of power/strength (Donna Troy, for instance.)
Tagging speedsters makes little sense, but its something that Slade does a lot. To the point that it becomes consistent PIS, something that you can still rule out in a serious debate but which cannot be so easily dismissed.I wouldn't have Slade tagging Flash if I wrote him. And I'm a big Slade fanboy.
...Not to mention his damage soak is fcuking insane (his battle with the Outsiders, for instance.)
Slade "tagging" Flash has little to nothing to do with Slade's speed. He "tags" Flash by predicting where he will be and exploiting the fact that the speedsters are all morons. It's what every street level does when they fight a speedster, they "predict" where their opponent will end up and focus their attack there. Slade throws his staff ahead of Flash's path and trips him, or fires a blast into his path and hits him, or merely holds his sword where the Flash will be... and Flash runs into it. Slade doesn't hit the Flash because he is fast, he hits Flash because Flash stupidly runs into shit... because he jobs. Batman's done it Flash too. When ever a speedster fights an MA, they jobbingly have a predictable pattern that allows the MA to anticipate their movements, it has almost nothing to do with speed.
Good fight, Iron Fist gets a slight majority.
^ Seems like I remember Slade perceiving and reacting to heat vision that was being fired at him from fairly close range... Just saying that there is other evidence which suggests that his consistent (key word) 'tagging' of speedsters throughout his career can be attributed to more than just dumb luck on his part, or PIS/jobbing on the speedsters' part(s). /shrug
Originally posted by Galan007
^ Seems like I remember Slade perceiving and reacting to heat vision that was being fired at him from fairly close range... Just saying that there is other evidence which suggests that his consistent (key word) 'tagging' of speedsters throughout his career can be attributed to more than just dumb luck on his part, or PIS/jobbing on the speedsters' part(s). /shrug
Dick's done that too. 😎
Slade's fast. He can jump through moving industrial fan blades, but tagging Flash happens because Flash is forced to jobbed to MAs and written like he is slightly smarter than a burlap sack full of potatoes. Hell one of the instances Slade tagged a Flash, Impulse was stated as only being cable of 300mph speed! I think we can all agree that is pretty clearly bs.
Amped Danny is probably a little faster, but not enough to make a significant difference.
Originally posted by Galan007
Not sure what you mean by "timed", but he has dodged bullets:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/834/14663016.jpg/
Bullet time means seeing the bullets headed towards its target(person) at the same time in one panel. And then seeing the target move out of the way.
That one above is not a true example of bullet time because he could have dodged the aim since the target is not shown in the bullet panel.
But its a moot point, since bullet timers like Batgirl have stated that Slade is faster then her. Heck even Superman himself was impressed by Slade's speed.(although I doubt he was going all out with his speed.)
Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not saying I agree with it, but there's no denying that Slade has tagged speedsters numerous times on panel. Given that, it's hard (for me, at least) to deem those showings PIS, when he's been so consistent with that type of feat....But I suppose it's really inconsequential either way.
I view it like Omega does, where as it happens enough that you don't simply throw it away but it's still iffy and not so clear cut in a serious debate as in "He can beat anyone flash level or lower etc"
Originally posted by jalek moyeThat's pretty much my opinion as well. No one is saying that Slade can 'outspeed' a speedster -- but based on his history, it's perfectly logical to assume he could land an occasional feat blows mid-battle.
I view it like Omega does, where as it happens enough that you don't simply throw it away but it's still iffy and not so clear cut in a serious debate as in "He can beat anyone flash level or lower etc"
