Iron Fist vs Slade

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not saying I agree with it, but there's no denying that Slade has tagged speedsters numerous times on panel. Given that, it's hard (for me, at least) to deem those showings PIS, when he's been so consistent with that type of feat.

...But I suppose it's really inconsequential either way.

You could simply try acknowledging the context that allowed Slade to hit those characters? I mean, how does Slade throwing his staff in front of Flash and Flashing tripping over it quantify as a speed feat? How does Slade standing perfectly still and holding his sword behind him and Flash running into it quantify as a speed feat? As far as I'm concerned they are all pretty clearly examples of Flash running into stuff. Slade actually getting into melee with the Flash and punching him happens rarely (once maybe twice), and I think that was even the time Impulse was stated as only cable of 300mph speed.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You could simply try acknowledging the context that allowed Slade to hit those characters? I mean, how does Slade throwing his staff in front of Flash and Flashing tripping over it quantify as a speed feat? How does Slade standing perfectly still and holding his sword behind him and Flash running into it quantify as a speed feat? As far as I'm concerned they are all pretty clearly examples of Flash running into stuff. Slade actually getting into melee with the Flash and punching him happens rarely (once maybe twice), and I think that was even the time Impulse was stated as only cable of 300mph speed.

Originally posted by Galan007
So just as often as Slade angles the battles so that speedsters "run into stuff" (ie. his strategically placed weaponry), he angles the battle so he can physically strike them? Works for me. Either way he's reading them, and reacting accordingly. 👆

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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You could simply try acknowledging the context that allowed Slade to hit those characters? I mean, how does Slade throwing his staff in front of Flash and Flashing tripping over it quantify as a speed feat? How does Slade standing perfectly still and holding his sword behind him and Flash running into it quantify as a speed feat? As far as I'm concerned they are all pretty clearly examples of Flash running into stuff. Slade actually getting into melee with the Flash and punching him happens rarely (once maybe twice), and I think that was even the time Impulse was stated as only cable of 300mph speed.

Exactly, it's all PIS.

Wally can stop on a dime, can run around, under, over, or through all sorts of obstacles, can even subconsciously react to bullets touching his skin as he's sleeping, or an explosion going off also as he's sleeping, yet he runs directly into a sword held by Slade?

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not saying I agree with it, but there's no denying that Slade has tagged speedsters numerous times on panel. Given that, it's hard (for me, at least) to deem those showings PIS, when he's been so consistent with that type of feat.

...But I suppose it's really inconsequential either way.

yep. i've used the same argument for logan against the highest level bricks. as a quick example--people scoff at logan being able to be a threat to thor or herc in straight h2h, no weapons. however, as silly as it seems, his CONSISTENT portrayl against bricks would seem to indicate he could indeed be a real threat.

in the same way, as silly as it seems, ds HAS been a threat to speedsters and high metas.

i'm with you--consistency would indicate intent of writer to me. and if everyone that writes ds makes him a threat, then he is a threat.

as for the fight--danny is a beast lately, but i'd take ds for a majority though danny could def take some.

Originally posted by jalek moye
Like all Slade threads this becoming the whole him against heralds vs him against low metas and streets debate. Hopefully with the reboot dc decides what to do with him because right now it seems to be both. He can take lightspeeders and drop class 100s but at the same time streets and low metas can fight and hurt him. before all the blah blah he wins against them. Not my point, mine is that they effectively fight against him and dodge/harm him.

Freakin Amen. Slade is gonna be a beast in the reboot. Thats already been stated as fact by the writer.

BTW Iron Fist recently got his ass kicked by Wolverine. Put me down for Slade.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Nah. Karate Kid would have sent them back at the guy.

Also it helps that Danny's hands are super durable against piercing damage.

yeah come to think of it Val would have sent those bullets back at the shooter, but with the picture of a happy face drilled into his chest.

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Originally posted by Aries_04
Freakin Amen. Slade is gonna be a beast in the reboot. Thats already been stated as fact by the writer.

BTW Iron Fist recently got his ass kicked by Wolverine. Put me down for Slade.

Wolverine would kick Slade's ass too... pretty easily.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine would kick Slade's ass too... pretty easily.

Slade FTM

Originally posted by namorsubby
Says the poster who lowballs slade every thread and takes wolverine at his highest possible interpretation according to high end feats......

Slade FTM

I take them both at their levels of majority representation, and unfortunately the majority of the time Slade shows up, he has way more trouble then anyone with his power set should have with street level MAs.

except for thats completely untrue. Most of those showings where he "has trouble" with street levelers have extinuating circumstances(like slade not being at all concerned with them).......the rest, low showings not to be taken as an indication of his true formmidablity. It is basically understood in the DCU that even elite street levelers are nothing to a serious slade.....you can tell simply by how they speak of him.

Originally posted by namorsubby
except for thats completely untrue. Most of those showings where he "has trouble" with street levelers have extinuating circumstances(like slade not being at all concerned with them).......the rest, low showings not to be taken as an indication of his true formmidablity. It is basically understood in the DCU that even elite street levelers are nothing to a serious slade.....you can tell simply by how they speak of him.

And yet they all manage to give him a whole heap of trouble. Strange? Almost every time he shows up, he fights one on one with a street, and he has to work for his win. That is just how it is. Slade has trouble with streets because despite his stats, there is a sizeable skill discrepancy between him and top tier streets.

again.....completely untrue. Hes owned street levelers wijth ease plenty of times. Hes fought them in pairs and groups while still holding back(he even says so). When he does "have trouble" its either do to extinuating circuumstances or jobbing, being that hes a team antagonist forced to play a street leveler antagonist from time to time

I see the eternal battle b/n namsubby and srank has found it's way here as well...

Originally posted by namorsubby
again.....completely untrue. Hes owned street levelers wijth ease plenty of times. Hes fought them in pairs and groups while still holding back(he even says so). When he does "have trouble" its either do to extinuating circuumstances or jobbing, being that hes a team antagonist forced to play a street leveler antagonist from time to time

No, I'm afraid it's completely true. Sometimes he does have success fighting several several members of the Titans / Young Justice at once, because they have nothing resembling team work or coordination and practically fall over themselves. He has trouble with Nightwing in one on one melee. He has trouble with Cass in one on one melee. He has trouble with Batman in one on one melee. He has trouble with Bronze Tiger in on on one melee. Arsenal has given him trouble. Eddie Fryers has beaten him. Deadshot has beaten and stalemated him. Azrael has stalemated him. David Cane has stalemated him. Slade has trouble with streets. Just a simple trueth.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I see the eternal battle b/n namsubby and srank has found it's way here as well...

I can see either winning.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I can see either winning.

No, IF/Slade.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No, I'm afraid it's completely true. Sometimes he does have success fighting several several members of the Titans / Young Justice at once, because they have nothing resembling team work or coordination and practically fall over themselves. He has trouble with Nightwing in one on one melee. He has trouble with Cass in one on one melee. He has trouble with Batman in one on one melee. He has trouble with Bronze Tiger in on on one melee. Arsenal has given him trouble. Eddie Fryers has beaten him. Deadshot has beaten and stalemated him. Azrael has stalemated him. David Cane has stalemated him. Slade has trouble with streets. Just a simple trueth.