Iron Fist vs Slade

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I'm talking about DC history as a whole. Not just appearances, but actual numbers in characters. I've been matching street for street a long time. And Marvel's isn't far superior or numerical. Just what I see.

So am I. Marvel has more street level characters then DC, and those characters get more appearances and more time in the spot light then their DC counter parts. It's a numbers game Marvel has more streets with higher number of appearances, and therefor publishes a higher number books with a street level focus, with a higher number of secondary characters and villains. Wolverine, Captain America, Spider-man, Punisher, Daredevil, Deadpool, Black Panther, all streets who pretty much have at least one solo title running in perpetuity. Then there are characters who might not have a solo running frequently but will get a new one every couple of years to test the water like Iron Fist, Elecktra, Blade and Moon Knight. Then we have new characters like Daken and X-23 who have new solos and already have more appearances then Cassandra Cain. DC has Batman, Tim, Dick, sometimes Catwoman and Green Arrow, and Hawkeye - who has never had an ongoing - has almost as many appearances as he Ollie does.

Give me numbers, because I count 176 on MU and 180 on DC's. 😉

im just sayin hes acting as if these things are so clear cut. Theres really no way to rank these characters who reside in other universes so definitely. The best things to really go by is how many forms they know and show consistently.

I think it's about even myself, so I agree with ya.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Give me numbers, because I count 176 on MU and 180 on DC's. 😉

Numbers of what? Every single street level character? I could probably name more then 176 characters just from Wolverine's solo adventures...

Originally posted by namorsubby
im just sayin hes acting as if these things are so clear cut. Theres really no way to rank these characters who reside in other universes so definitely. The best things to really go by is how many forms they know and show consistently.

Characters stated on panel to be masters of every fighting style:

Marvel:

Dragonfly
Mr. X
Cap
Shang-Chi (and Shang-Chi's father and all the monks he trained with)

Stated in Handbooks:

Wolverine
Daken
Azrael
Mr. X
Taskmaster
Ares

DC:

Batman
Possibly Shiva (but she also learns seven new styles a year... so that seems to contradict it)

And I can probably name more than that from all of batman's minis, ongoings, etc... He's been around a lot more than Wolverine.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Characters stated on panel to be masters of every fighting style:

Marvel:

Dragonfly
Mr. X
Cap
Shang-Chi (and Shang-Chi's father and all the monks he trained with)

Stated in Handbooks:

Wolverine
Daken
Azrael
Mr. X
Taskmaster
Ares

DC:

Batman
Possibly Shiva (but she also learns seven new styles a year... so that seems to contradict it)

Whos actually been stated in comics to know these and backed by evidence of training.....besides bruce i mean?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
And I can probably name more than that from all of batman's minis, ongoings, etc... He's been around a lot more than Wolverine.

But Wolverine has likely had a comparable amount of appearances since the original crisis to now as Batman. Batman has more appearances then Wolverine over all, but YTD Wolverine has him beat, and Logan doesn't have a large chunk if completely irreverent continuity. 😎

When I say DC as a whole, I'm counting all the streets from the Pre-Crisis era. Not just this era.

LOL @ Handbooks.

Originally posted by namorsubby
batman shows knowledge of different styles more than cap.

Whos actually been stated in comics to know these and backed by evidence of training.....besides bruce i mean?

I don't know, Captain America and Batman have probably demonstrated a comparable amount of variety and diversity in their combat styles, except Cap knows Gymkata, so he wins. 😎

Daredevil is probably the character who has shown the most diverse fighting styles because different writers / artists have a different idea of how he should fight. Some times he fights like a boxer, some times he fights like a kung-fu master, some times he fights like a gymnast, some times he goes all ninja on everyone. Captain America and Batman pretty much fight like the are using Krav Maga or Combatives, with some spice thrown in.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Characters stated on panel to be masters of every fighting style:

Marvel:

blah blah

DC:

blah blah

So now the number of mostly fictional fighting styles between DC and Marvel must be the same?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
When I say DC as a whole, I'm counting all the streets from the Pre-Crisis era. Not just this era.

Even acknowledging that you are still wrong. Spider-man, Wolverine and Captain America, have more appearances than Batman, Commissioner Gordon, Dick Grayson, Tim Drake, and Green Arrow combined, and there is little cross-over in the Cap, Spidy, Wolverine appearances, where as a lot of the Gordon, Dick, Tim and Bruce appearances overlap, so it is an artificially high number relative to the individual issues published. And before you say it is unfair to compare Dick, Tim, Gordon and GA to Wolverine / Cap / Spidy, I hate to tell you but other then Batman those are the DC streets with the most appearances, and even some of those guys don't have as many appearances as Daredevil, Hawkeye, Punisher, Black Widow. There are just more Marvel street level books, and not just a little bit more, but a lot more.

Originally posted by Cogito
So now the number of mostly fictional fighting styles between DC and Marvel must be the same?

No, there are more fictional fighting styles in Marvel. 😎

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No, there are more fictional fighting styles in Marvel. 😎

No, there are more fictional fighting styles in DC.

See what I just did there? I can make stuff up with the best of them.

Originally posted by Cogito
No, there are more fictional fighting styles in DC.

See what I just did there? I can make stuff up with the best of them.

Let me know when DC has eight trans-dimensional kung-fu realms, seven of which are focused sololy on the development of martial arts.

so. does anyone have an official number of dc streets compared to mu?

An endeavor to find out just how many "street" level characters Marvel or DC has is ridiculous, especially considering how "street" level is something that's open to interpretation.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Let me know when DC has eight trans-dimensional kung-fu realms, seven of which are focused sololy on the development of martial arts.

😕 It's all fictional. All a writer has to do is say character x knows 9000 styles of martial arts and there you have it. The number of trans-dimensional realms is not important.

Even if Marvel had more styles of Martial Arts, and I'm not saying they do, knowing more doesn't make someone better. Will said fictional character who knows 9000 styles use them all in a fight? Of course not.