Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
You'd have to prove that Sidious was a superior sith sorcerer, or even in the same league as Zannah. Claiming he has more overall knowledge means nothing in this instance.
In the 'same league?' The ritual he was pulling in Sithisis is more than enough to eclipse Zannah. The sheer fact he mastered the secrets of Naga Sadow's holocron, that he had enough knowledge of sith alchemy and magic to fill enormous books should be...
Look, I'm not saying Zannah's not accomplished, but to claim she's above Palpatine in the art?
But Bane has will, his lack of talent for the art is irrelevant to his defense against it. You're throwing misdirection around here, again.
No. My point is [b]despite his lack of talent, his will compensated for it. The point I mean to get at is quite apparently that the same can apply to Maul.
Everyone has demons. Just because Bane's manifest themselves in the form of a book doesn't mean they are any greater than Maul's. Once again, he's shown a greater degree of will power than anything Maul has done.
Form of a book? Eh?
And where are these amazingly godly feats of Bane's willpower in comparison? Maul has undergone such rigorous mental training, he broke the mind of an Iktochi trying to read him.
And not everyone has demons. It's made quite clear Maul has conquered all fear.
Which is irrelevant because Bane did as well and he was no match for the esoteric sith sorcery.
Well, yes he was. He broke out of Zannah's sith spell without too much issue. He failed against the tentacles, but still discerned their weakness in short order (Zannah).
Furthermore, it's noted these were so effective due to Zannah calling upon the dark energies of Ambria:
Instead, she let it flow through her, drawing it from the soil and stone of
Ambria itself. She called to power buried for centuries, summoning it up to
the surface in wispy tendrils of dark smoke snaking up from the sand.
More misdirection, essence transfer is irrelevant here. Stick on point. Bane was getting his ass beat during the initial sith sorcery when he finally got over it with something we can call a "last grasp." When the tendrils came around, his ONLY chance was essence transfer.
It wasn't a fight like that. Bane took it and overcame it, just as he intended to do. Bane had Zannah dead to rights with one more move. If Maul reached her, she would die before she was capable of defending herself (And with no force defense, why couldn't he just crush her throat?) When using the tendrils, her movements are described as slow and clumsy.
Furthermore, Bane was hampered due to near delirium from the pain of the tendrils. This isn't nearly as much an issue for Maul, who possesses a natural resistance to pain and has also been trained to change pain into a strength
No, it surpasses your belief and nobody elses. All you're doing is giving a brief, yet unimpressive history of Maul's training, and then claiming his mental fortitude surpasses belief. That's not an argument, that's fanboyism.
What about it is 'unimpressive?' It's noted, consistently, how Palpatine forced Maul to face and overcome fear and pain. That's not something to be shrugged off.
Frankly, Zannah as a sorcerer is inferior in shown feats to Wyyrlok, who's capable of using illusions and the fear spell on multiple enemies with a single gesture and using other force powers and adept saber combat while he does it.
You're not telling me how Maul will lose out to Zannah when he has no fear to consume him. We have seen Maul 's fury literally overload a force dampening field, overcome force lightning (And it is said that move is especially agonizing), among other feats. Maul simply does not feel fear because, like Bane, he's conquered it.
We've seen Bane and Darth Krayt overcome this ability by virtue of overcoming fear. Maul can't do this for what reason?
She was blocking his connection to the force before he had any trouble with the soldiers.
The moment he realized what she was doing, he ripped that apart like nothing. He didn't even know she was there the first time she did it
Her fighting and force prowess were impressive considering she's had no training. Bane was certainly her superior but considering how he's felled more experienced fighters, she's one powerful force user.
She 's a highly trained assassin. Literally, all she managed was a glancing snip on his arm. She also, again, rigged a charge to blind him and blow him back a fair distance, and took advantage of his distraction.
Johun Othone got a hit on Bane once, and a much better one than the Huntress managed, given it nearly severed his hand.
Based on the book you're trying to write about Maul's training.
What? Maul's training is one of the most detailed from the various snippets we have.
Sure, when fanboyism gets in the way of objectivity, one can see it that way. I know you're going to try to prolong this argument as much as possible but you're not winning anything with this argument LS. I urge you to approach it from a different direction.Also, kudos to RH for that incredible display of math skills showing Bane's feat in a more realistic light. [/B]
It's comforting to know very little has changed in my absence here...
It's amazing that the more time goes by, the less intelligent you seem, despite so many opportunities for growth and maturation. To call your "argument" ridiculous would be an understatement, and the fact that it was already regarded as such further convinces me not to get in any more sparring matches with you because frankly, it's not a challenge anymore. The only reason your presence was even acknowledged was because Faunus away for the time being and this is the only argument currently happening. If you want to grow up and maybe attempt to improve your arguments, you may get more responses. Until such time, you'll continue to get this type of awkwardness. Good day kind sir🙂
DS
It's amazing that the more time goes by, the less intelligent you seem, despite so many opportunities for growth and maturation. To call your "argument" ridiculous would be an understatement, and the fact that it was already regarded as such further convinces me not to get in any more sparring matches with you because frankly, it's not a challenge anymore. The only reason your presence was even acknowledged was because Faunus away for the time being and this is the only argument currently happening. If you want to grow up and maybe attempt to improve your arguments, you may get more responses. Until such time, you'll continue to get this type of awkwardness. Good day kind sir🙂
Not to jump on the bandwagon, but I have to throw my agreement in with the consensus that while you've never been noted for your patience or civility, you've been unusually temperamental and disagreeable as of late. I'm not sure as to what we can attribute this, but my current theory involves a combination of sexual frustration
Spoiler:.
and the revelation that Revan 'twas a pawn
Lightsnake was pretty civil with you and if you can't return the favor, slap him on ignore and don't respond at all.
Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
Not to jump on the bandwagon, but I have to throw my agreement in with the consensus that while you've never been noted for your patience or civility, you've been unusually temperamental and disagreeable as of late. I'm not sure as to what we can attribute this, but my current theory involves a combination of sexual frustrationSpoiler:.
and the revelation that Revan 'twas a pawnLightsnake was pretty civil with you and if you can't return the favor, slap him on ignore and don't respond at all. [/B]
If by civil, you mean intentionally prolonging an argument with petty nonsense, as done over the years, then you are correct. I don't recall you ever being patient when dealing with Nebaris, so why should that be any different? No question about my civility and my sexual frustration depends on how much your mother is putting out this week. As for Revan, I'm ok with him not being a pawn🙂
If I may interject, thank you supplier of the quote:
"Maul's upbringing consisted of constant training to become stronger, faster, and smarter than any adversary could anticipate. Zabraks are renowned for their mental discipline, and have a natural ability to withstand physical suffering, and Sidious tested Maul's endurance to the very limits during his training." - The Ultimate Visual Guide, pg. 35
Originally posted by LightsnakeCongratulations, and this puts him on Bane's level of willpower how? Or are you just playing a game of debating craps? Throwing in a bunch of quotes and pray they somehow help the argument?
If I may interject, thank you supplier of the quote:"Maul's upbringing consisted of constant training to become stronger, faster, and smarter than any adversary could anticipate. Zabraks are renowned for their mental discipline, and have a natural ability to withstand physical suffering, and Sidious tested Maul's endurance to the very limits during his training." - The Ultimate Visual Guide, pg. 35
DS
If by civil, you mean intentionally prolonging an argument with petty nonsense, as done over the years, then you are correct.
😐
The one hurling insults at a guy who's been nothing but civil with him in this thread probably shouldn't use his free hand to toss around adjectives like "petty" at his victim.
DS
I don't recall you ever being patient when dealing with Nebaris, so why should that be any different?
You would be very mistaken. I even remember inviting Nebaris to the Project Holocron thread for his participation.
DS
No question about my civility and my sexual frustration depends on how much your mother is putting out this week.
If this sentence was crafted with the intent to insult, it was something of a misfire. What you just told me is that my mother putting out has absolutely nothing to do with the question of your sexual frustration.
DS
As for Revan, I'm ok with him not being a pawn🙂
Have you ever heard of the Tragedy of Gideon the Wise? It's not a story that the Antediluvians would tell you: It's a KMC legend of a poster so powerful and so wise that he could even acknowledge weaknesses in those characters whom he cared about. His power of Logic was unnatural. He was so powerful that the only thing he feared was being banned by the Moderators for an entirely bullshit reason. Which, eventually, of course is exactly what happened.
Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
The one hurling insults at a guy who's been nothing but civil with him in this thread probably shouldn't use his free hand to toss around adjectives like "petty" at his victim.
You would be very mistaken. I even remember inviting Nebaris to the Project Holocron thread for his participation.
If this sentence was crafted with the intent to insult, it was something of a misfire. What you just told me is that my mother putting out has absolutely nothing to do with the question of your sexual frustration.
Have you ever heard of the Tragedy of Gideon the Wise? It's not a story that the Antediluvians would tell you: It's a KMC legend of a poster so powerful and so wise that he could even acknowledge weaknesses in those characters whom he cared about. His power of Logic was unnatural. He was so powerful that the only thing he feared was being banned by the Moderators for an entirely bullshit reason. Which, eventually, of course is exactly what happened. [/B]Have you heard of something called reality? It's this world we are forced to go into when the world of our dreams turns out to be a farce. It's a world we despise for many many reasons but can't ultimately seem to shake.
DS
I believe you and I have different definitions of "civil".
Given your recent track record and disregard for the likes of Merriam-Webster, I'm not surprised. 😐
DS
After how many arguments and bans?
Oh God, I've lost track.
But anywho, we certainly had civil discussions. My animosity towards him was short lived.
DS
The point was that your mother puts out.. Extensively.
While that's certainly true, your words failed to deliver such a message.
DS
Have you heard of something called reality? It's this world we are forced to go into when the world of our dreams turns out to be a farce. It's a world we despise for many many reasons but can't ultimately seem to shake.
facepalm
Say one thing about Revan that isn't the product of masturbation fuel or fantasy. Do you think he's perfect?
Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
Given your recent track record and disregard for the likes of Merriam-Webster, I'm not surprised. 😐
Oh God, I've lost track.
But anywho, we certainly had civil discussions. My animosity towards him was short lived.
While that's certainly true, your words failed to deliver such a message.
Say one thing aboutFixed for proper context.RevanPalpatine that isn't the product of masturbation fuel or fantasy. Do you think he's perfect? [/B]
It's Kentucky slang for "[one] currently."
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Congratulations, and this puts him on Bane's level of willpower how? Or are you just playing a game of debating craps? Throwing in a bunch of quotes and pray they somehow help the argument?
I will kindly ask for these feats of amazing willpower.
Because I believe commentary about how Maul's entire species has exceptional mental fortitude and an innate resistance to physical pain, honed further to perfection by Palpatine's training is quite significant.
Again, we've seen Maul shrug off getting fried with Force lightning, commenting 'there's no pain where strength lies.'
Mentally, he's beastly.
Originally posted by LightsnakeWhere are you getting this information from? His mental willpower was so tough that he let Obi Wan slice him in half..
I will kindly ask for these feats of amazing willpower.Because I believe commentary about how Maul's entire species has exceptional mental fortitude and an innate resistance to physical pain, honed further to perfection by Palpatine's training is quite significant.
Again, we've seen Maul shrug off getting fried with Force lightning, commenting 'there's no pain where strength lies.'
Mentally, he's beastly. [/B]Compared to some, not to others..
DS
Given your inability to apply definitions to the context in question, I'm not surprised you're not surprised.
DS
Have you heard of something called reality? It's this world we are forced to go into when the world of our dreams turns out to be a farce. It's a world we despise for many many reasons but can't ultimately seem to shake.
DS
Short lived? You mean like close to a year short lived?
How long have you been antagonistic towards Lightsnake?
DS
Your mother's lips deliver far more than my words ever could.
Terry Schiavo could deliver far more than your words ever could.
DS
Fixed for proper context.
I can gladly say many things of this nature, but your deflection indicates some discomfort at the topic. Why dodge, DS? You wouldn't be afraid to confront this, would you?
DS
Kentucky slang is redundant.
no u