Zannah vs Maul

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
How long have you been antagonistic towards Lightsnake?

Terry Schiavo could deliver far more than your words ever could.

I can gladly say many things of this nature, but your deflection indicates some discomfort at the topic. Why dodge, DS? You wouldn't be afraid to confront this, would you?

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
It's Kentucky slang for "[one] currently." 😐

suuuuuuuuuuuuuure

Spoiler:
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Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Where are you getting this information from? His mental willpower was so tough that he let Obi Wan slice him in half..

What does...that have to do with anything? Bane's mental fortitude was so strong, a guy who's barely Padawan level nearly severed his hand, so? It dosn't matter how strong you are mentally if a glowing plasma blade bisects you.

And are you going to tell me Bane's never had bouts of arrogance? It's nearly gotten him killed multiple times

We've seen Bane in the middle of a sith ritual, as well as fighting off sith sorcery. We've never seen Palpatine's proficiency anywhere near the level's of Zannah and therefore can conclude that not only did Maul never experience something like this, but he is even more ill equipped to do so.

Compared to some, not to others..

We've 'never seen Palpatine's profiency near that level?' Okay, Bane was channeling the others' with the ritual. Palpatine was actively using Sith magic to create storms over the galaxy and summon the ghosts of dead Sith.

I'm not sure how this is debatable. Palpatine has mastered all of Naga sadow's secrets according to JEdi vs. Sith. That alone puts him farther than Zannah could ever aspire to. What are her amazing feats that put her above Palpatine, who had direct access to the Sith of old and their holocrons?

By this reasoning, Aleema is Frank's superior at the art, too.

DS
It's more on and off

Concession accepted.

DS
Which doesn't negate the fact that your mom is extremely talented with her lips.

I've already acknowledged my mother's extensive talent for oral persuasion, why must you keep bringing it up? It's a legitimate part of her C.V.

DS
The deflection is nothing more than an accusation of hypocrisy, rightfully so.
😂

It would only be hypocrisy if I were incapable of doing the same,

Me
I can gladly say many things of this nature,

^ Which isn't the case. 'Pawn', 'civility', and 'hypocrisy'... are you familiar with the definitions of any word?

Can you rise to the challenge or not, DS? For a self-proclaimed badass, I'm woefully unimpressed by your performance. Be a real manJew and stop deflecting before I shunt you off to the crematorium. 😐

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir

^ Which isn't the case. 'Pawn', 'civility', and 'hypocrisy'... are you familiar with the definitions of any word?

Can you rise to the challenge or not, DS? For a self-proclaimed badass, I'm woefully unimpressed by your performance. Be a real manJew and stop deflecting before I shunt you off to the crematorium. 😐 [/B]

Of course, are you?

DS
Of course, are you?

uh ya

So, if you will please, an explanation as to the extent of your Revan fanboyism?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
We've 'never seen Palpatine's profiency near that level?' Okay, Bane was channeling the others' with the ritual. Palpatine was actively using Sith magic to create storms over the galaxy and summon the ghosts of dead Sith.

I'm not sure how this is debatable. Palpatine has [b]mastered all of Naga sadow's secrets according to JEdi vs. Sith. That alone puts him farther than Zannah could ever aspire to. What are her amazing feats that put her above Palpatine, who had direct access to the Sith of old and their holocrons?

By this reasoning, Aleema is Frank's superior at the art, too. [/B]

Has Palpatine ever actually used Sorcery in a fight?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
What does...that have to do with anything? Bane's mental fortitude was so strong, a guy who's barely Padawan level nearly severed his hand, so? It dosn't matter how strong you are mentally if a glowing plasma blade bisects you.

And are you going to tell me Bane's never had bouts of arrogance? It's nearly gotten him killed multiple times

We've 'never seen Palpatine's profiency near that level?' Okay, Bane was channeling the others' with the ritual. Palpatine was actively using Sith magic to create storms over the galaxy and summon the ghosts of dead Sith.

I'm not sure how this is debatable. Palpatine has mastered all of Naga sadow's secrets according to JEdi vs. Sith. That alone puts him farther than Zannah could ever aspire to. What are her amazing feats that put her above Palpatine, who had direct access to the Sith of old and their holocrons?

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
uh ya

So, if you will please, an explanation as to the extent of your Revan fanboyism? [/B]

Has Palpatine ever actually used Sorcery in a fight?

DS
Assuming sithisis is canon (I believe it isn't)

The events and a scan of Sithisis are featured in The Ultimate Visual Guide. It's canon.

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
The events and a scan of Sithisis are featured in The Ultimate Visual Guide. It's canon.

DS
My extent of my Revan fanboyism is less than your Sidious fanboyism, being as I haven't spent years passionately arguing in favor of Revan.

I'm able to criticize Palpatine's personality and powers rather casually, and in fact have mentioned in the TOR thread that Palpatine was at a pawn of another person "at least once." All without anger, denial, or tears.

The fact that I'm able to write brilliant essays lauded by the masses (including you) simply means I'm more productive with it. 131

try again pl0x

I'm surprised Beefy, that you havn't mentioned the best example of Bane's mental fortitude: That he can bare the extreme agony of the Orbalisk armor for a good, what, 8 years? without losing focus or even letting it bother him over much.

DS
Please refer to the next part of the post.

Please refer to the fact that I'm not disagreeing with your argument, simply pointing out that it is definitively canon when you questioned it. If you don't like being corrected, don't make mistakes? Maybe?

luv u

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
I'm able to criticize Palpatine's personality and powers rather casually, and in fact have mentioned in the TOR thread that Palpatine was at a pawn of another person "at least once." All without anger, denial, or tears.

The fact that I'm able to write brilliant essays lauded by the masses (including you) simply means I'm more productive with it. 131

try again pl0x [/B]

Please refer to the fact that I'm not disagreeing with your argument, simply pointing out that it is definitively canon when you questioned it. If you don't like being corrected, don't make mistakes? Maybe?

Assuming Sithisis is canon

DS
Only when you're forced into a corner and you have no other recourse.

facepalm

In what warped reality was I forced to acknowledge that Palpatine was the pawn of another? Please provide the defined parameters of this entrapment and diligently explained how I was forced to do so.

In other words, prove it.

DS
I'm not sure you understand what "productive" means.

I'm not sure you understand what understand means.

DS
And the essay was one giant textual masturbation in honor of Palpatine.

Which a.) you lauded/approved of and b.) was scholarly in nature, not the result of masturbation?

DS
Must have missed that part. 😂

I wanted there to be no doubt of its status?

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Where was his hand nearly severed? And the mental toughness comes in the form of not playing ignite the flames with your lightsaber while a jedi apprentice is just hanging on for dear life.

How does that have anything to do with mental fortitude? Again, didn't Bane nearly get killed by 'savoring his victory' with Kas'im?

And Johun nearly cut his hand off when he saw the wrist gaps with the orbalisks.

Not on the level of Maul, which DID get him killed.

Actually, if not for Zannah, Bane would have died on Ambria when he ignored a dying Worror to blast force lightning at Johun.
Bane is remarkably arrogant

Assuming sithisis is canon (I believe it isn't), and he wasn't using several sith artifcats (he was), you'd have a point. Then again, this is a comparison between Zannah and Sidious.

Why wouldn't it be canon? It was cited in the Ultimate Visual Guide, it contradicts nothing and other Visionaries stories are canon.

I'm sorry, but I'll call bs on this one. First, prove he mastered all of Sadow's secrets because I don't ever recall that quote.

He says he mastered the secrets, hence how he shows Naga as the gatekeeper. He's the gatekeeper of the Telos Holocron because he mastered it himself, and he says Naga was 'too generous' with his knowledge, and cautions the reader patience, saying he'll teach him all of Naga's knowledge eventually

Then explain how, even if he did, that would automatically put him above Zannah. I don't recall Sadow ever being the greatest sith sorcerer ever, and the techniques Zannah learned were not only from Nadd's holocron bu were incredibly esoteric in nature, that even Bane was surprised.

She learned Sith sorcery from a book he gave her. Also, you might want to remember? Naga was one of (if not THE) greatest Sith magician of his day. And easily the best alchemist.

Zannah learned sorcery from a few...well, scraps left about. Palpatine had the great collection in many thousands of years, including the Telos Holocron which Naga was Gatekeeper of previously.
The dark Emprie sourcebook also states Palpatine has mastered all the known techniques, the previously unknown and forgotten techniques and 'masters new ones at his leisure.'

Learning from Nadd, who was Naga's student, is rather distilled, while Palpatine had it from the source.

What does Zannah have to put her above Sidious? The Summon Fear technique is a remarkably basic one. Rokur Gepta, who paled in comparison to Palpatine, could use illusions on an enormous scale. When Palpatine devours life force? That's also Sith Magic.

Zannah's spell of concealment? Palpatine could do that to. To the pooint where not even Yoda could detect him, right next to him.

Again, Darth Wyyrlok has feats surpassing that of Zannah. She's not the pinnacle of this

I'm fairly certain Nadd was more powerful than Sadow in the art of sith sorcery since he not only learned from sadow, but from Adas' holocron as well. This actually helps my argument.

Not exactly, when you also consider Palpatine had that holocron, too.

And so did Naga. It was lost in the war after the Sith lost.

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
facepalm

In what warped reality was I forced to acknowledge that Palpatine was the pawn of another? Please provide the defined parameters of this entrapment and diligently explained how I was forced to do so.

In other words, prove it.

I'm not sure you understand what understand means.

Which a.) you lauded/approved of and b.) was scholarly in nature, not the result of masturbation? [/B]

DS
Oh I see what you did there. We're not talking about the specific pawn conversation, we're talking about the few times where you had to admit Palpatine's weaknesses.

ok

Then prove that.

DS
Meanwhile, I have never blindly defended Revan unless it was the product of PIS.😂

I'm glad you admit your defense of him was blind. Concession accepted. 😂

DS
No no, I understand. Spending countless hours on an essay based on a fictional character=opposite of productive.

Productive in that it decreased the number of challenges considerably.

DS
Not to mention, the consensus of his power was pretty much set it stone.

haermm

DS
Why must they be mutually exclusive?

Because fanboyism, as the term is being used here, is indicative of extreme bias and delusion which tend to be the antithesis of scholarly essays?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
How does that have anything to do with mental fortitude? Again, didn't Bane nearly get killed by 'savoring his victory' with Kas'im?

And Johun nearly cut his hand off when he saw the wrist gaps with the orbalisks.

Actually, if not for Zannah, Bane would have died on Ambria when he ignored a dying Worror to blast force lightning at Johun.
Bane is remarkably arrogant

He says he mastered the secrets, hence how he shows Naga as the gatekeeper. He's the gatekeeper of the Telos Holocron because he mastered it himself, and he says Naga was 'too generous' with his knowledge, and cautions the reader patience, saying he'll teach him all of Naga's knowledge eventually

She learned Sith sorcery from a book he gave her. Also, you might want to remember? Naga was one of (if not THE) greatest Sith magician of his day. And easily the best alchemist.

Zannah learned sorcery from a few...well, scraps left about. Palpatine had the great collection in many thousands of years, including the Telos Holocron which Naga was Gatekeeper of previously.
The dark Emprie sourcebook also states Palpatine has mastered all the known techniques, the previously unknown and forgotten techniques and 'masters new ones at his leisure.'

Learning from Nadd, who was Naga's student, is rather distilled, while Palpatine had it from the source.

What does Zannah have to put her above Sidious? The Summon Fear technique is a remarkably basic one. Rokur Gepta, who paled in comparison to Palpatine, could use illusions on an enormous scale. When Palpatine devours life force? That's also Sith Magic.

Again, Darth Wyyrlok has feats surpassing that of Zannah. She's not the pinnacle of this

Not exactly, when you also consider Palpatine had that holocron, too.

And so did Naga. It was lost in the war after the Sith lost. [/B]