Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
I'm glad you admit your defense of him was blind. Concession accepted. 😂
Productive in that it decreased the number of challenges considerably.
Because fanboyism, as the term is being used here, is indicative of extreme bias and delusion which tend to be the antithesis of scholarly essays? [/B]
Then by that definition, I can't be called a fanboy because I hardly defended Revan in versus fights and certainly not against the likes of Yoda and Sidious. I'm glad we've come to an understanding. 😂
DS
I can tell when the denial kicks in by the "concession accepted" post.
It's going in my profile, you'll love it.
DS
The only thing that decreased the number of challenges was repetition. If I recall, you still have your battles with Janus and Nai.
Oh, they'll never be convinced. No essay or quote from Lucas or divine act from God Himself is capable of such a feat. While my powers are indeed extraordinary, purifying their sight remains beyond my abilities.
DS
Then by that definition, I can't be called a fanboy because I hardly defended Revan in versus fights and certainly not against the likes of Yoda and Sidious. I'm glad we've come to an understanding. 😂
I'm not going to criticize your objectivity for the fights regarding Revan.
You miss the nature of my accusation: You seem to dislike anything that makes Revan more human, i.e. fallible.
These are not mutually exclusive.
Originally posted by Turr_PhennirSo I'm a fanboy to a certain extent? And you miss the entire point of my criticism of the continuation of Revan's character. I don't mind him being more human. I do mind him being brought into a game and then killed off as a mid level boss because it essentially pisses on KOTOR 1 and 2. If it were any other character, my objection would still stand because I dislike tainted continuity.I'm not going to criticize your objectivity for the fights regarding Revan.
You miss the nature of my accusation: You seem to dislike anything that makes Revan more human, i.e. fallible.
These are not mutually exclusive. [/B]
Edit: If I truly had a problem with his fallibility, I would have criticized KOTOR for Revan's initial fall.
DS
So I'm a fanboy to a certain extent?
sure
Notice I never criticized your handling of the character in the Versus threads. I'm neither petty nor desperate enough to slant your views. I can condescend your views on Revan's character without being dishonest about your views on his power. sneer
DS
And you miss the entire point of my criticism of the continuation of Revan's character. I don't mind him being more human. I do mind him being brought into a game and then killed off as a mid level boss because it essentially pisses on KOTOR 1 and 2. If it were any other character, my objection would still stand because I dislike tainted continuity.
Honest question: Are you opposed to the idea of anyone outwitting or manipulating him?
This probably could clear the air. And if I recall correctly, KotOR and KotOR II tried to frame the scenario as though Revan never fell.
Originally posted by Turr_PhennirWell obviously not because he was apparently turned to the dark side by the sith emperor (although he was already tainted), so I have no problem with that. I have a problem with the inconsistency of his character and the way bioware just spat on it.Honest question: Are you opposed to the idea of anyone outwitting or manipulating him?
This probably could clear the air. [/B]
Originally posted by Turr_PhennirRight, you can come up with an explanation for it so it's at least somewhat logical. They didn't completely shit on the character although they were close. Genetic structure should be irrelevant compared to his power in the force. No more for tonight, can't keep eyes open, until manana (aka few hours).
His genetic structure was tampered with, tho.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
I'm not sure how this is debatable. Palpatine has [b]mastered all of Naga sadow's secrets according to JEdi vs. Sith. [/B]
This is certainly news to me. I assume you're talking about the Essential Guide to the Force and not the comics, correct? I'd like to see this for myself, since it seems very odd and unlikely that Palpatine would have access to Sadow's works, given that Nadd all but took them.
This is what Palpatine, in The Essential Guide to the Force (pp. 173-174), has to say about Sadow's works:
"One of the most powerful Sith alchemists was Naga Sadow, who left detailed records of his work within a Sith holocron I came across some years ago."
[cue excerpt from Sith holocron]
"Ah, but Naga Sadow was too generous with his knowledge. Far more generous than I. [insert snippet about Sadow's untimely end and how his secrets were gained by Nadd, who passed them onto Kun, and how {given their untimely ends} Palpatine will guard the depth of Sadow's teachings a bit longer] However, I am tempted to incorporate some of his findings in my own book, The Creation of Monsters."
Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
This is what Palpatine, in The Essential Guide to the Force (pp. 173-174), has to say about Sadow's works:"One of the most powerful Sith alchemists was Naga Sadow, who left detailed records of his work within a Sith holocron I came across some years ago."
[cue excerpt from Sith holocron]
"Ah, but Naga Sadow was too generous with his knowledge. Far more generous than I. [insert snippet about Sadow's untimely end and how his secrets were gained by Nadd, who passed them onto Kun, and how {given their untimely ends} Palpatine will guard the depth of Sadow's teachings a bit longer] However, I am tempted to incorporate some of his findings in my own book, The Creation of Monsters."
Thank you.
Also, looking for conclusive proof of mastery of all of Sadow's works, as was put forth by LS. This merely proves that he was familiar with the works and had access to some.
SM
Thank you.
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SM
Also, looking for conclusive proof of mastery of all of Sadow's works, as was put forth by LS.
There's nothing that outright states Palpatine mastered all of Sadow's works [that I've seen], but if I may offer a correction:
SM
This merely proves thathe was familiar with the works and had access to somehe had access to "detailed records" of Sadow's work and mastered enough to incorporate the teachings into his own comprehensive guide of Sith alchemy.
I should clarify:
Sidious had Sadow's holocron. Mastery is too strong a term for what could be proficiency or familiarity. Otherwise, it leaves the door open for claiming that Nadd and Kun both "mastered" the holocron. There's also no telling if the holocron contained more than a fraction of his real knowledge. True, he may have been generous by Sith standards, but that doesn't mean he put everything in there.
Much of this is probably unintelligible, but I assure you that the numbers in red work out.
Okay, let's begin with the idea that in guesstimation I have always erred low; the text uses words like "downpour" and "tempest" but I've restricted myself from the heaviest two categories of rainfall. Were those numbers used, this would be even more impressive.
Assume Bane is proportioned like a human. His armspan will be as wide as he is tall. He's two meters tall. If the rain is at a 45 degree angle, everything falls nicely into place and the area he has to defend is a simple 8 square meters. (As per the 45-45-90 degree triangle rules.) So he's defending 8 square meters against rain falling at something like 495 droplets per second per square meter. That means there are 3,960 water droplets threatening Bane's square of control every second.
About 1/20th of those are intercepted just by holding the lightsaber above his head--the lightsaber covers 1/20th of the zone at all times.
The most perfectly efficient defense imaginable would have the blade in twenty different places at once. Bane, presumably, was not moving at the speed of light (and therefore could not be in two places at once) so his lightsaber had to have arrived at at least twenty different places each second. The true number is likely greater by several times, because:
1. There is a droplet arriving in the zone roughly every .2 milliseconds.
2. There is a droplet arriving in the area cleared by the lightsaber every 5 milliseconds.
3. This assumes that there is no area left unprotected by the shadow of the hilt, and that the blade is perfectly aligned at all times
For the area to be completely clear, there is a minimum speed at the emitter (assuming no wasted travel, overlap, or statistically inevitable outlying droplet placement) of 3164 miles per hour.
This is absurd, so let's look at twirling the lightsaber:
Spinning around means that there has to be a full revolution at least every five milliseconds, or else the new drop will arrive and catch Bane while the blade is occupied elsewhere. This makes 200 rotations per minute, sped up however much is necessary to allow Bane to protect his fingers on the lightsaber's hilt.
Spoiler:
This ignores the fifth of the raindrops going through the corners of the square that are not covered by the circle of the lightsaber.
This is a lot of numbers and I didn't explain where I got some of them, but I assure you it works out. Bane is moving at 200+ RPM or his bladework is moving at .59xMoon Escape Velocity. (Thank you Wolfram|Alpha!