Originally posted by dadudemon
I took it to mean poor women.
Poor women have easy/cheap options to birth-control too:
1)Oral sex
2)Anal sex (though some form of lube will be required, so that could mean some $$$)
3)Abstinence
There's 3 free or cheap ways of birth-control for the poor people who either can't afford or don't have access to condoms, pills etc.
Originally posted by alltoomany
The easy way out???????? a woman that get knocked up should have it and they both should suffer thru life? I think not!
Well it is. Being that people are too selfish to care for there mistakes that they take the easy way out and murder a baby because of an one night stand.
How is that right? and again the baby could be taken to a couple who can't have a baby and wants one. Again if the woman did not go sleeping around then they would not have that promblem.
Originally posted by alltoomany
many women get knocked up AROUND THE WORLD and have no way out of it..
So they get raped then? I believe I allowed for that possibility in my post.
And as the other posters have said, there is birth control available even to poor people.
Again, we should stop with the idea that women get pregnant out of no where and completely outside of their control. This happens very rarely.
Originally posted by TacDavey
So they get raped then? I believe I allowed for that possibility in my post.And as the other posters have said, there is birth control available even to poor people.
Again, we should stop with the idea that women get pregnant out of no where and completely outside of their control. This happens very rarely.
Additionally, no, not all poor people can get birth control. Maybe poor people in America can get it, but in many countries it is not an option at all. Additionally, people need education if they're supposed to know to use birth control. And birth control can still fail.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Additionally, no, not all poor people can get birth control. Maybe poor people in America can get it, but in many countries it is not an option at all. Additionally, people need education if they're supposed to know to use birth control. And birth control can still fail.
Sexual education is a huge problem in Sub-Saharan Africa. Birth-control and sexual protection are either unheard of or looked down upon.
Add to that the massive (some countries as high as 80% of females) sexual abuse/rape of young-girls and women, there's plenty of unwanted/unplanned pregnancies.
Not sure why I'm bringing this in here.
Originally posted by TacDavey
So they get raped then? I believe I allowed for that possibility in my post.And as the other posters have said, there is birth control available even to poor people.
Again, we should stop with the idea that women get pregnant out of no where and completely outside of their control. This happens very rarely.
Yes there is don't do it. Or even through I don't believe in birth control I reather people use that instead of having an abortion.
Originally posted by Robtard
Sexual education is a huge problem in Sub-Saharan Africa. Birth-control and sexual protection are either unheard of or looked down upon.Add to that the massive (some countries as high as 80% of females) sexual abuse/rape of young-girls and women, there's plenty of unwanted/unplanned pregnancies.
Not sure why I'm bringing this in here.
Originally posted by King Kandy
I don't think you quite understood his point. Whether its outside of their control has nothing to do with it. Its outside of your (and policy makers) control. So saying "they shouldn't get pregnant" SOUNDS good, but simply saying that doesn't change the reality of the situation, which is that it still happens, it will still be happening a 100 years from now, and we need to figure out how to deal with it.
I fully agree. But there are those who are supporting abortion who seem to have the idea that women are victims who had no control whatsoever about getting pregnant. Which is what i was rejecting.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Additionally, no, not all poor people can get birth control. Maybe poor people in America can get it, but in many countries it is not an option at all. Additionally, people need education if they're supposed to know to use birth control. And birth control can still fail.
Then poor people who cannot get birth control shouldn't be having sex.
They have no way to get birth control yet they can somehow get abortions? That doesn't seem right. Instead of working towards getting poor people abortions, we should be working towards getting poor people birth control, then.
Originally posted by TacDavey
I fully agree. But there are those who are supporting abortion who seem to have the idea that women are victims who had no control whatsoever about getting pregnant. Which is what i was rejecting.
Originally posted by TacDavey
Then poor people who cannot get birth control shouldn't be having sex.They have no way to get birth control yet they can somehow get abortions? That doesn't seem right. Instead of working towards getting poor people abortions, we should be working towards getting poor people birth control, then.
Well, you'll get no disagreement from me there. I think we should provide both services. Birth control can still fail after all.
Originally posted by King Kandy
I think that's true in a lot of cases, but that's not the reason why I support the freedom to choose.
I know. It wasn't you who made the claim I was talking about.
Originally posted by King Kandy
But in a lot of cases, again, the issue is that they don't have proper education about the birth control. For instance, the catholic church for a long time made it a policy to say that condoms don't reduce the risk for STDs, and US abstinence only groups often did the same.Well, you'll get no disagreement from me there. I think we should provide both services. Birth control can still fail after all.
Alright then we agree for the most part. We should be working on getting them birth control as well as teaching them about it.
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Poor people had done the same thing ^
See, it doesnt matter.. Low income or High Income people. So stop taking it out on low income people!
Originally posted by TacDavey
I know. It wasn't you who made the claim I was talking about.Alright then we agree for the most part. We should be working on getting them birth control as well as teaching them about it.