Abortion dystopia #5823: Women deliberately conceiving and then aborting.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Hardly a similar comparative Kandy. There is risk with just about everything people do, from getting paper and staple wounds in the office, to getting shot while using an ATM.

The difference is that in this case, this is a CONSCIOUS decision by oth parties, and both know the very real chance of it happening, and doing it anyway. That takes away "Accidental" pregnancies as an excuse unless your blind as a bat drunk or stoned, or your raping her....

Going out on the street is decision made by a person who knows the risks involved (getting hit by a car).
Driving a car is a decision made by a person who knows the risks involved (hitting someone with a car).

Obviously we should prevent anyone from getting treatment when hit by a car because they were acting irresponsibly and new the risks. Really we're just encouraging pedestrians to get themselves killed with the laws we have.

Also wait, what if the rapist is trying to get her pregnant? It's no longer accidental!

Originally posted by King Kandy
Its my conscious decision to cross the street, with a very real chance of me getting hit. I guess this means there is no such thing as a "traffic accident". You are a very silly person.

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Are you serious?

You walk out into the middle of the street when you see an oncoming vehicle, and you use that as justification for not using your brain when it comes to wether or not to have sex?

The term "Traffic Accident" occurs when people make mistakes. We recently had a truck driver run over a 5 year old boy here in Australia, and that happened because the driver couldn't see the kid. I would classify that as an accident.

However, give me an example of accidental pregnancy that didn't involve drug use or booze. The only excuse I could possibly think of is that "I didn't think it could happen!"..... What?! Are you telling me that there was too much blood redirected from your brain?!

I think it is YOU who is acting very silly.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
The term "Traffic Accident" occurs when people make mistakes. We recently had a truck driver run over a 5 year old boy here in Australia, and that happened because the driver couldn't see the kid. I would classify that as an accident.

They both understood the risks.

If the boy didn't want to be run over he shouldn't have been walking on the road.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
However, give me an example of accidental pregnancy that didn't involve drug use or booze. The only excuse I could possibly think of is that "I didn't think it could happen!".

He wore a condom. She took birth control. No one intend to have a child yet it ended up that way anyhow, I would classify that as an accident.

Teens can legitimartely say they didn't think it could happen because they were following some kind of stupid sex advice. Because they're teenagers and they're stupid.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
They both understood the risks.

If the boy didn't want to be run over he shouldn't have been walking on the road.

You can't expect a 5 year old child to even remotely understand the risks.... Common sense.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
He wore a condom. She took birth control. No one intend to have a child yet it ended up that way anyhow, I would classify that as an accident.

Yes, but an easily preventable one with a little bit of thought.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Teens can legitimartely say they didn't think it could happen because they were following some kind of stupid sex advice. Because they're teenagers and they're stupid.

You say this in the same post as you just said a child knows better than to play on a roadway..... Hilarious! 😆

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You can't expect a 5 year old child to even remotely understand the risks.... Common sense.

So you're actually arguing that if it had been an adult who was run over then it wouldn't be an accident?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Yes, but an easily preventable one with a little bit of thought.

So is not getting hit by a car. So is not hitting someone with a car.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So you're actually arguing that if it had been an adult who was run over then it wouldn't be an accident?

Adults have more experience, they know what to expect and are mindful of the dangers. Children that young are thinking about the games they are playing and the best flavoured candy they can eat at any given moment. The difference is mindset. I cannot beleive that this is difficult for you to grasp....

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So is not getting hit by a car. So is not hitting someone with a car.

Your not reading..... I said "truck" not car.... and even if it was a car, read above. There is a huge difference in mindset here... Children are hardly mindful of risks and gambles, hence why they act like kids. adults are more seasoned, they understand the risks far more than children do, and their outlook is considered to be more mindful.

I repeat: I cannot beleive this is difficult to grasp...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Adults have more experience, they know what to expect and are mindful of the dangers. Children that young are thinking about the games they are playing and the best flavoured candy they can eat at any given moment. The difference is mindset. I cannot beleive that this is difficult for you to grasp....

so you are actually arguing that when an adult is hit by a car it can't be an accident?

Originally posted by inimalist
so you are actually arguing that when an adult is hit by a car it can't be an accident?

Under those circumstances? I'm not saying impossible here, what I am saying is that adult humans are more wary. Would you be playing in the driveway and suddenly run out onto the street chasing a ball knowing there may very well be traffic? Would you look to see if there is an oncoming truck? Because I garuntee you, that kid wont, and didn't. If your an adult and did that, then your an idiot.

i'm sorry, but I make no excuses for foolish people. if your an idiot who makes a mistake, then you pay for it just like everyone else, you DON'T go violent and bash women and forcibly abort unborn babies with your because you screwed up. yes, the blame is shared equally, but the mistake is a life of it's own. if you cannot deal with it, there is adoption. But if one parent thinks they can take care of it, why not? AND yes, the other parent should contribute to the development of that child, reguardless if you wanted it or not.

For me, even if the person I had sex with turns out to be a malicious ***** who is only after money, I would still pay. You know why? because I want to be a part of my childs life, in some small way. I would of course make sure that the money is being spent on the child through welfare services to the best of my ability.

There is a very simple reason for my outlook on this. Children, accidental, unwanted, or any other reason you can think of, are the future. Thats my family, my blood, and I would fight, kill and die for them. If that makes me bad in your eyes, then so be it, I would not give a rats left testicle.

you do realize, as Ush said, that every comment about violently aborting babies was a ruse to get under your skin?

Hey, i'm just stimulating debate here. And, I do have personal experience with this, so you'll have to forgive me for defending that stance. it's nothing against you.

you aren't likely to find any serious debate with the position "dont punch pregnant women to abort their fetus"

I dont know who you know, but around here, that isn't likely to stimulate anything but sarcasm...

also, lol, @ "i'm sorry, but I make no excuses for foolish people.", you are one of those victim blame-y types then, no?

Originally posted by inimalist
you aren't likely to find any serious debate with the position "dont punch pregnant women to abort their fetus"

My positin is "don't use violence, period". Mostly because I work in the security industry, plus, this particular type of incident I've had personal experience with.

Originally posted by inimalist
I dont know who you know, but around here, that isn't likely to stimulate anything but sarcasm...

Right....

Originally posted by inimalist
also, lol, @ "i'm sorry, but I make no excuses for foolish people.", you are one of those victim blame-y types then, no?

No, I just find the excuse that "people are too stupid to know what their balls do" as valid is absurd.

but you don't see how someone can both know what their balls do and have an accidental pregnancy?

like, everyone who knows basic biology never makes a mistake? same as all adults know about roads, therefore we should criminalize any procedure to help them if they get hit by a car?

Originally posted by inimalist
but you don't see how someone can both know what their balls do and have an accidental pregnancy?

maybe I'm just more careful about where I place my penis than most people..... I dunno.

Originally posted by inimalist
like, everyone who knows basic biology never makes a mistake? same as all adults know about roads, therefore we should criminalize any procedure to help them if they get hit by a car?

I didn;t say criminalise that! if someone is hurt, you help them, thats basic common decency. Thats a far cry from a man using a barbaric practice of booting a womans gut in and hoping they killed their child because they didn't want them... The situations and circumstances are completely different.

is the only kind of abortion you are arguing against the type where a man hits a woman?

No... But it is the single worst one.

I do not beleive a child should be aborted, barring the womans inability to physically bring the child into the world. I would not risk her life like that.

However, as I said, a man doing that to a woman for any reason is against the law for a reason. Not only is it killing an unborn child, but it may very well kill her, or lead to some very serious complications. There is a reason abortions are done in hopsitals and not out on the streets by every Tom, Dick and Harry who only desired to wet his noodle.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
There is a reason abortions are done in hopsitals and not out on the streets by every Tom, Dick and Harry who only desired to wet his noodle.

Why?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
There is a reason abortions are done in hopsitals and not out on the streets by every Tom, Dick and Harry who only desired to wet his noodle.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I do not beleive a child should be aborted, barring the womans inability to physically bring the child into the world. I would not risk her life like that.

ok, but here is the thing, every time i try to address you on this, you go back to stomach punching....

I see why that works as a rhetorical device, but there is no audience here to convince. If you want to talk abortion, you have to realize that most people who have one probably aren't comparable to having a man punch a womb

Couldn't another woman be the abortion-belly-puncher? I've seen Million Dollar baby and have heard of Girl Fight.