Quasar vs Nova

Originally posted by zopzop
Here let everyone see the entire thing IN CONTEXT :

This wasn't a good feat for Quasar.............at all. This was ALL Binary. He even thought she was an "omnipotent" that Epoch called in to save the Earth.

Nova's "sun feat" sh|t's all over Quasar's "sun feat" here.

nova's may beat that feat, but the other one (you know where he made a 'solar flare' LOL) was at least as good. moving on....

@dmills. i'll show the battle against phoenix and mordred first. it starts with mordred taking mental command of rachel (a great feat in itself, tbh) and this is the result:

http://imageshack.us/f/51/pf1c.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/842/pf2h.jpg/

(note in the second scan he says once the lens is up he can't make it stronger--but he COULD have made it stronger had he expected her level of power. ie--the power/strength of his constructs VARIES)

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/801/pf3d.jpg/

(note here too that mordred attacked quasar while he was fighting rachel...) now here, the bands hold him. he tries to break out, has a plan to break free, but before he can enact it, cap britain arrives first and breaks him free first. then the battle resumes....)

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/822/pf5m.jpg/

you can see he is clearly tackling both at once--as i said earlier....

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/545/pf6.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/38/pf7u.jpg/

an excellent showing imo against 2 very powerful opponents. put up who ever you would like to match. 👆

a quick note here too--that was issue 11 of his series. that was early in his career, still his old costume. he became much better with his powers as the series went along....

Originally posted by leonidas

(note here too that mordred attacked quasar while he was fighting rachel...) now here, the bands hold him. he tries to break out, has a plan to break free, but before he can enact it, cap britain arrives first and breaks him free first. then the battle resumes....)

He was never breaking out of the Crimson Bands going that route.

Originally posted by zopzop
Again, context. His "plan" involved contacting Eon and seeing what he could do to break the bands. His "bright" idea was to use iron to try to disrupt the bands to break him out.

Now, let's find an example of iron disrupting the Crimson Bands or weakening them to the point where it allowed someone to escape their grasp.

He was never breaking out of the Crimson Bands going that route.

nice job of (a) ignoring the fact that you failed to tell everyone mordred's attack was a sneak attack in the first place and (b) ignoring the REST OF THE FIGHT THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE THE CHEAP SHOT. and who knows, his plan may have worked or eon may have gotten to him. there was a plot that needed developing....and after all, CAP BRITAIN broke them by hand! lol obviously they weren't as strong as other bands might have been.

anyway, more lowballing while you yourself left out context. do it one more time and i WILL report your a$$. leave the debating to someone who has an idea of who they are debating. believe me when i say dmills does not need my posts to pass through the zop-translator.

moving on....again. here is another time you completely left out context and lowballed. here is quasar vs creel:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/am0s.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/534/am1ve.jpg/

fight was actually over right there. creel was done but for his plot device, handy-dandy adamantium....which he just happened to be carrying around. lol well done leaving that unimportant detail out zop. 👆

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/843/am2p.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/am3k.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/18/am4r.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/836/am5s.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/801/am6la.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/705/am7p.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/843/am8m.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/20/am9ux.jpg/

so wendell actually beat him twice--even when he had adamantium. another very strong showing. would creel have blown up on his own? maybe, but he might have been able to keep the power in control. doesn't matter as wendell took him out anyway. 👆 and again, this was early wendell.

Originally posted by leonidas
nice job of (a) ignoring the fact that you failed to tell everyone mordred's attack was a sneak attack in the first place and (b) ignoring the REST OF THE FIGHT THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE THE CHEAP SHOT. and who knows, his plan may have worked or eon may have gotten to him. there was a plot that needed developing....and after all, CAP BRITAIN broke them by hand! lol obviously they weren't as strong as other bands might have been.

anyway, more lowballing while you yourself left out context. do it one more time and i WILL report your a$$. leave the debating to someone who has an idea of who they are debating. believe me when i say dmills does not need my posts to pass through the zop-translator.

moving on....again. here is another time you completely left out context and lowballed. here is quasar vs creel:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/am0s.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/534/am1ve.jpg/

fight was actually over right there. creel was done but for his plot device, handy-dandy adamantium....which he just happened to be carrying around. lol well done leaving that unimportant detail out zop. 👆

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/843/am2p.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/am3k.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/18/am4r.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/836/am5s.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/801/am6la.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/705/am7p.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/843/am8m.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/20/am9ux.jpg/

so wendell actually beat him twice--even when he had adamantium. another very strong showing. would creel have blown up on his own? maybe, but he might have been able to keep the power in control. doesn't matter as wendell took him out anyway. 👆 and again, this was early wendell.

Originally posted by zopzop

They were strong enough to hold Quasar completely helpless till he was saved by Excalibur. Want me include the scan where he admitted this himself?

There it is.

Yes, report me. The Mods aren't illiterates, they can read the issues themselves and see who was BSing. This crying to the Mods is sad.

Uhm, Adamantium Creed busted out of the Bubble and was crushing his quantum constructs till he got stupid and tried to steal the power of the Bands. Since he was unworthy this did him in. Adamntium Creel was actually WINNING the fight. 🙄 [/B]

😂

that's not even the right scan......quasar did wish he would have broken out before britain broke him out though. so...yeah.

and, (a) quasar beat creel--effortlessly--when they first met. (which you never brought up conveniently...) (b) adamantium was a plot device. (c) adamantium creel would beat almost anyone! zoptastic zogic. 👆 he ALWAYS loses cuz he's an idiot, as i said earlier. he's had the goods on thor and hulk as well, when he was cap's shield and uru, but......he still lost.

and why was q in the bands again? oh yeah, a cheap shot as he was stalemating PHOENIX. and of course you're speculating about the bands (crimson and quantum). maybe they would have worked, maybe not--we didn't see. but, what did he do later--took both on, as i said. if you don't like it, i don't care. not sure what's going on with you lately but you've def lost all perspective and are hate-blinded or something. you're like an annoying little kid just sticking his nose in, nothing of any importance to say, just lowballing and misrepresenting and leaving out context. it's kinda embarrassing at this point. but don't worry mr context policeman sir, any scans dmills requests i'll be happy to provide. i'm pretty sure he doesn't need any help from you. and i CERTAINLY don't need to read anymore of your posts, so, i bid you adieu, and welcome you into the blissful world of ignore..... 🙂

lol. Geez.

I saw the scans Leo. I'll respond tonight.

Originally posted by zopzop
This wasn't a good feat for Quasar.............at all. This was ALL Binary. He even thought she was an "omnipotent" that Epoch called in to save the Earth.

Nova's "sun feat" sh|t's all over Quasar's "sun feat" here.

And when we get a full view of the Sun, just look at the amount of anti-matter that Quasar ends up sucking in on the right part of the Sun:

He ends up sucking anti-matter from damn near half the Sun's surface. In contrast, the black mass Nova absorbed was "many times" the size of Earth per his explicit description, but nowhere near the surface area that Quasar dealt with.

Just look at your scans, ffs. Can you just do that? Can you just look at your own scans, please?

Originally posted by zopzop
Again, context. His "plan" involved contacting Eon and seeing what he could do to break the bands. His "bright" idea was to use iron to try to disrupt the bands to break him out.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/256/quasar11016im1.jpg

Now, let's find an example of iron disrupting the Crimson Bands or weakening them to the point where it allowed someone to escape their grasp.

He was never breaking out of the Crimson Bands going that route.

Originally posted by ODG
Are you blind? Yes, Binary is doing the majority of the work and actually stopped the growing proliferation of anti-matter, but Quasar second vortex point on the right-hand side is sucking in surrounding anti-matter:

And when we get a full view of the Sun, just look at the amount of anti-matter that Quasar ends up sucking in on the right part of the Sun:

He ends up sucking anti-matter from damn near half the Sun's surface. In contrast, the black mass Nova absorbed was "many times" the size of Earth per his explicit description, but nowhere near the surface area that Quasar dealt with.

Just look at your scans, ffs. Can you just do that? Can you just look at your own scans, please?

Add to the fact that Nova ABSORBED all that dark matter into himself, Quasar was merely BFRing it feebily.

Originally posted by ODG
Iron has a long, rich history in folklore, fiction, and comic book fiction of disrupting magic. When a writer remembers to bring it up in a comic book, it's pretty much never failed. Not knowing that is excusable though as it's overlooked often.

Originally posted by zopzop
The point is, he would have failed if it wasn't for Binary. He even admitted that her portal was FAR MORE powerful than his own. I never said he wasn't contributing. But like Binary said, "it was nowhwere near good enough".

Add to the fact that Nova ABSORBED all that dark matter into himself, Quasar was merely BFRing it feebily.

Ok, now show me an instance of iron disrupting or weakening the Crimson Bands.

It's rather irrelevant as Nova didn't deal with anti-matter and Quasar had no way of absorbing anti-matter. Had it been the same dark mass that Nova dealt with, or had Nova been dealing with anti-matter, your observation might be a cogent one. The sheer scale of Quasar's feat dwarfs that of Nova's.

That's like asking for an instance of kryptonite affecting a dark-skinned Kryptonian child. Iron is anathema to magic. That is well established in comics. It's why it was brought up in the comic. So arguing Quasar definitely would have failed ignores comic books.

Originally posted by ODG
Yes, he would have failed if not for Binary, because the amount of growing anti-matter he had to deal with [b]NEARLY ENCOMPASSED THE PHUCKING SUN. It wasn't a relatively miniscule spot of random dark mass that was "many times" the Earth's size. The Sun's diameter is 100x that of the Earth. The circumference? Many times beyond that. The total surface area? Many times beyond even that. And Quasar had to deal with nearly half the Sun's surface area worth of anti-matter (and that's assuming the anti-matter had little to no depth!!!!).

It's rather irrelevant as Nova didn't deal with anti-matter and Quasar had no way of absorbing anti-matter. Had it been the same dark mass that Nova dealt with, or had Nova been dealing with anti-matter, your observation might be a cogent one.

That's like asking for an instance of kryptonite affecting a dark-skinned Kryptonian child. Iron is anathema to magic. That is well established in comics. It's why it was brought up in the comic. So arguing Quasar definitely would have failed ignores comic books.

Originally posted by ODG
Iron has a long, rich history in folklore, fiction, and comic book fiction of disrupting magic. When a writer remembers to bring it up in a comic book, it's pretty much never failed. Not knowing that is excusable though as it's overlooked often.

see malekith and kurse as obvious examples. i'm not saying it WOULD have worked for absolute certain, but....it was definitely a possible solution. more importantly, i sure as hell don't think quasar was gonna die by crimson band crushing.....

and you raised a good point re: the anti-matter. i never really bothered to think all that deeply about it, but, while it's apples to oranges, it's more impressive than i, too, initially thought.

Originally posted by dmills
lol. Geez.

I saw the scans Leo. I'll respond tonight.

whenever. 👆

Originally posted by zopzop
Exactly. Quasar was only feebily BFRing the stuff. Nova ABSORBED it into himself.

Originally posted by zopzop
Exactly. No proof of iron ever negatively affecting the Crimson Bands.

That just completely ignores comic books. It's basically akin to ignoring how lightning completely short-circuits water-based characters. And then arguing that since I don't have scans handy of Mera being owned by lightning, that there's no proof Mera would ever be owned by lightning.

That's just stupid. Stop it.

Originally posted by ODG
Exactly what? That you completely bumbled the reading of that feat because the type of matter he was dealing with was much more harmful than what Nova faced and the sheer scale of it completely dwarfed that of Nova's feat by magnitudes? EVEN THOUGH YOU HAD THE SCANS AND POSTED THEM? Exactly what? That comic books prove that iron affects magic negatively? Like I said, you were probably completely ignorant of that fact, despite the pervasiveness throughout folklore, world culture, and common fiction (let alone comic book science fiction). But again, your only fault here was arguing it definitely would not have worked.

That just completely ignores comic books. It's basically akin to ignoring how lightning completely short-circuits water-based characters. And then arguing that since I don't have scans handy of Mera being owned by lightning, that there's no proof Mera would ever be owned by lightning.

That's just stupid. Stop it.

Originally posted by zopzop
Quasar was feebily BFRing the stuff, Nova was absorbing it. Quasar would have failed if it wasn't for Binary.

Originally posted by zopzop
This shouldn't be hard then, show me on panel proof of iron affecting the Crimson Bands in any way. I'll wait.

I have a moderate level of patience when it comes to sheer stupidity. You've managed to exceed it by a substantial margin.

Next time you wank Magik in a vs. thread though, I'll be happy to force you to prove that her Soulsword can hurt Doctor Voodoo.

Originally posted by ODG
Binary's help is a statement of unextraordinary fact. She wasn't helping him with an anti-matter mass that was completely miniscule (like Nova's was). More to the point, you can't even actually bring yourself to admit that Quasar forcibly funneled so much anti-matter that it encompassed nearly half the Sun's surface and dwarfed the amount of dark matter Nova faced, can you? Anti-matter, not random dark matter. Shocking that you would take it so personally that you can't even bear to admit it. Then again, you are having it rammed down your throat while you haven't even finished prying your own foot out of your mouth.

That's almost as stupid as demanding on-panel proof of water short-circuiting Living Lightning.

I have a moderate level of patience when it comes to sheer stupidity. You've managed to exceed it by a substantial margin.

Next time you wank Magik in a vs. thread though, I'll be happy to force you to prove that her Soulsword can hurt Doctor Voodoo.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah, on panel, Quasar's feeble portal was NOT going to save anything. If Binary didn't jump in, the Sun would have been destroyed. Quasar failed in merely BFRing, Nova at least PERSONALLY contained all that dark matter.

Yup resorting to namecalling because you can't back up your claim. Show me proof that iron does ANYTHING to the Crimson Bands : weakens, breaks, etc..

I didn't call you stupid. I said your reasoning is stupid. If that makes you "stupid" in your mind, that's just you bashing yourself. Justifiably. Anyway, prove that a heat ray would hurt Killer Frost.

Originally posted by ODG
LOL, you STILL can't even admit how many magnitudes greater Quasar's feat was. THIS IS HILARIOUS. And Quasar didn't fail to BFR. He successfully BFR'ed nearly half the Sun's surface area's worth of anti-matter. On-panel. Show Nova BFR'ing that much anti-matter with a gravimetric warpgate. Go ahead. Oh, wait, oops. We'll patiently wait while you pry your foot out of your mouth.

I didn't call you stupid. I said your reasoning is stupid. If that makes you "stupid" in your mind, that's just you bashing yourself. Justifiably. Anyway, prove that a heat ray would hurt Killer Frost.

Originally posted by zopzop
Because it isn't. A feeble portal failing to save the Sun doesn't compare to Nova actually containing all that dark matter. Nothing he did would have saved the Sun, he simply wasn't powerful enough. Binary's portal was so much more powerful than his, he thought an "omnipotent" had pitched in to save Earth.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yup, typical ODG. Anyway, YOU said iron would have somehow affected the Bands, I merely asked for PROOF that this would happen.

Then you decided to basically argue that lightning won't work on Mera, Magik's Soulsword can't do sh1t against Doctor Voodoo and heat rays won't hurt Killer Frost. Because there's no direct on-panel proof they actually did. Then you basically just lie and pretend that I argued iron would always work.

Just your typical, standard zopzop flameout. 👆