Captain America vs. Marv

Originally posted by FrothByte
Not quite.

1. Diving into water from aircraft - we need to quantify just how high the jump was. World record for highest dive is around 200 ft. if I'm not mistaken, so it's not impossible to do this. Plus, these divers jumped into a stagnant pool of water. Cap jumped into the ocean, and waves help a lot in breaking water tension. If we can get an estimate of how high Cap dove from then we can clarify just how good a durability feat this was.

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When he jumped they were in cloud cover. So they had to be pretty high. Far higher than the 200ft record. And that one soldier was very concerned because he realized Cap didn't have a chute. He wouldn't be worried unless they were at a sufficient distance that without a chute, injury or death was going to happen. Rumlow who worked with him all the time though was fine with it because Cap seems to do that alot.

Originally posted by FrothByte
2. Jumping from one Hellicarrier to another - I'll have to review this. Was this from TWS? Anyway, will get back to you once I've rewatched.

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There you go. Hops off one and falls right down to the other, several hundred feet give or take a foot or two.

Originally posted by FrothByte
3. Getting hit by Quicksilver - Hawkeye got hit by Quicksilver just a few seconds before Cap and Hawkeye wasn't seriously hurt either. So this isn't exactly a good durability feat for Cap

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I used the wrong scene. The one I meant is when they were fighting on the oil tanker and Pietro bumrushed Cap hard enough to send him flying and into a wall. From the looks of it, he hit him at high speed and carried him a bit before launching him. That was the same move he was using to one-shot Ultron drones. Start at 35 seconds

Originally posted by FrothByte
4. Took hits from Loki - IIRC he only took 1 direct shot from Loki (please correct me if I'm wrong) and that hit threw him back several feet and it clearly hurt him. He didn't exactly tank the hit. Sure, Loki was stronger than anyone Marv has faced, but I doubt Cap can take multiple hits from Loki.

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Fight starts at around 2:18. He takes 2 full on staff swipes, and a toss, and was going to get back up but Tony arrived.

Originally posted by FrothByte
6. Took hits from Bucky's robotic arm - as far as I'm concerned, this is the best durability feat from Cap yet. He took numerous hits from that hand and didn't even suffer a broken nose. Of course, he was completely out of it by the end. But yeah, I'll agree this was a great durability feat that Marv doesn't have anything against.

But what Marv has is better durability regarding gun wounds. And I just love it how everyone keeps trying to avoid this topic, even in the Cap vs. Slade discussions.

Then again, the durability test does say it's just Ozy with his hands so I guess guns aren't in the equation.

He took the hits from Bucky like a champ, and was at most dazed from them as he told Bucky he wasn't going to fight him, and to just finish him off since he wasn't going to fight his friend.

He also took repeated hits from Ultron, who at that point had upgraded beyond the form where he was fighting Iron Man and winning for the most part. He complained but never slowed down.

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Cap's fight against Ultron is probably his best overall showing IMO. But I wouldn't go so far as to saying that the previous Ultron was winning against Tony though. He caught him off guard with that magnetic field thing, but IM recovered quickly and Ultron fled the moment he knew he was outclassed. And that fight ended with Tony's armour having mostly nicks and scratches and Ultron being utterly demolished. Hell, Tony still hopped inside Veronica while wearing his normal suit and fought an enraged Hulk right after that.

arm wrestling and durability marv takes this

Cap solo's round 3

and to who ever said cap easily took off the girder around winter soldier is bullshitting because he struggled so hard to lift that thing 3 inches.

LOL!!!

Cap didn't lift it "easily" but he did lift it a hell of a lot more than 3 inches. And that was mostly with one arm actually, while also carrying his shield, after suffering multiple gunshot wounds. And he has also held the weight of a car being pulled over a ledge by gravity, without anything to brace his feet against for leverage, or to help prevent the larger, MUCH heavier, object from yanking him off after it. He did it all through pure muscle.

I don't personally feel Marv has done anything that puts him above Cap's level of strength. Only things Marv has a better show of tanking are bullets, and there are no bullets in this match. Cap has taken better hits from tougher people than Marv has. Cap has taken punches from Ultron and WS's metal arm, various energy blasts, from repulsors to Chitauri blasters, and none of it did any serious damage to him. What does Marv have to compare?

Cap wins all three rounds.

This is first Avenger Cap... I see people posting feats for Cap other than his FA feats.

Ok fine. I'm now convinced that Cap wins the durability round as well.

Though I do have to say I still hate it whenever people think Cap "tanked" that Chitauri blast. It was a grazing hit and it did hurt him quite a bit.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This is first Avenger Cap... I see people posting feats for Cap other than his FA feats.

Look at the OP date. Besides, Cap is still Cap. He received the super soldier serum during the first film and never received any other amps that we know of. All we know is that he greatly expands his skill level and pushes his limits more, but we have no reason to believe that he somehow got more amped and those limits just expanded. Also, getting a lot more screen time as he appears in more films means more, and more versatile, feats. But ultimately still the same super soldier doing them. Can you prove Cap from TFA couldn't take those hits from Bucky like he did in TWS?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok fine. I'm now convinced that Cap wins the durability round as well.

Though I do have to say I still hate it whenever people think Cap "tanked" that Chitauri blast. It was a grazing hit and it did hurt him quite a bit.

It wasn't a grazing hit. It slammed into him dead on and hit him so hard it knocked him off his feet and to the ground, and it burned clean through his uniform which as we see isn't even bulletproof. So that was all him. It took him maybe 10 seconds to get back up, and then he went right back to fighting.

ANd like Vault said, Cap's simply had more time to show off with more movies. For example. He lifted a motorcycle with 3 women on it in his first movie. He chucks a motorcycle in AoU, makes sense.

Originally posted by KingD19
It wasn't a grazing hit. It slammed into him dead on and hit him so hard it knocked him off his feet and to the ground, and it burned clean through his uniform which as we see isn't even bulletproof. So that was all him. It took him maybe 10 seconds to get back up, and then he went right back to fighting.

ANd like Vault said, Cap's simply had more time to show off with more movies. For example. He lifted a motorcycle with 3 women on it in his first movie. He chucks a motorcycle in AoU, makes sense.

Guess we have different definitions of what "dead on" means. You can clearly see from the wound that it hit him in his side. To me that's a grazing hit but maybe that's just my vocabulary.

But even if we do consider it a direct hit, he sure as hell didn't tank that shot. He didn't "just get up". He was down and unable to protect himself. If it wasn't for Thor blocking hits and taking out Chitauri Cap would have gotten bombarded with blasts. If this was a boxing or UFC match that would have been a TKO. He also needed help from Thor to get back up.

Sure he continued fighting later on, most people with injuries can keep fighting... usually due to heart and will power. Cap's higher stats definitely helped as well, but let's not pretend that he just tanked that hit. Again if it wasn't for Thor, that hit would have done him in.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Look at the OP date. Besides, Cap is still Cap. He received the super soldier serum during the first film and never received any other amps that we know of. All we know is that he greatly expands his skill level and pushes his limits more, but we have no reason to believe that he somehow got more amped and those limits just expanded. Also, getting a lot more screen time as he appears in more films means more, and more versatile, feats. But ultimately still the same super soldier doing them. Can you prove Cap from TFA couldn't take those hits from Bucky like he did in TWS?

I don't need to prove a negative, especially when it has nothing to do with the thread. You know how things work around here TVD, so please stop acting like you don't. I don't care if you believe Cap is the same and can do the same things or not, in fact, I don't care what I believe on the subject. This thread is taking ONLY his feats from the FA into play. It's that simple. It makes no difference whether you believe he could do this or that from other movies, this is FA Cap vs. Marv... period.

The thread doesn't state only feats from FA, therefore all his feats are allowed.

Yes he did, he stated this is CAP from the FA.. than means only those feats. If he never specified the movie, than you'd have a point. Only he did, thus your point is crushed. That's the whole point, if you specify WHICH Cap you're using than only those feats matter. Period, end of story

The thread was started in 2011, when the only Cap movie was FA. he wasn't restricting the thread to only FA feats, he was just naming the movie the character appeared in.

He's got you there.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The thread was started in 2011, when the only Cap movie was FA. he wasn't restricting the thread to only FA feats, he was just naming the movie the character appeared in.

Irrelevant to the discussion. Neither you nor I have any idea what his intent was or wasn't. It makes zero difference when the thread was made. He was using THAT Cap vs. Marv. Period, end of story. It doesn't matter that this was the only movie at the time. He specified which Cap, and that ends the discussion. If you have the OP come back here and state he now wants all cap movies to count, cool, until then we'll go with what he specified.

Originally posted by KingD19
He's got you there.

Negative. The argument isn't even close.

Seeing as it was 2011 and FA was the only movie that existed, why exactly do you think his intent was to excluded feats from the Avengers, TWS and AOU. rather than just naming the movie where Cap appeared?

Seriously? We didn't know his intent? He intended to use Captain America and Marv. Both men with only a single movie to their names at the time the thread was made. What other intent could he have had?

He didn't specify which Cap. He pointed out the movie he was from in the OP.