Captain America vs. Marv

Originally posted by Newjak
Guys this has been going in circles for the last few pages and it is getting nowhere. Get a mod ruling or realize this is a silly debate.

The OP has final say on what persons they want to use and if they want to limit feats/abilities for those people to create interesting new scenarios. If there is something unclear than the OP should be the one to clarify and say what they meant.

Obviously in this case the OP hasn't posted in over a year so I doubt they are going to come in and settle this.

So in that case why don't you people be mature about the situation and realize you could both be right. Perhaps their original attention was only FA feats or perhaps they wouldn't care if you used feats from other movies as well. You'll never know.

So how about instead of arguing in circles over which scenario is the one true one you could instead argue both scenarios or only one scenario and if you don't want to argue one way then don't. Be flexible this supposed to be fun.

Thank you, Newjak, for saving me the trouble.

My apologies for not ruling earlier, but I've been working all day.

The OP/thread starter has final say so as to what feats, abilities, powers, and which version of which character they wish to use. PERIOD.

Back to topic, please, and with the stipulations set by the thread starter in the OP.

Also, since the thread starter is MIA, someone should probably make another thread, if they so wish, and make their own character settings. I'll allow it.

Originally posted by Impediment
Thank you, Newjak, for saving me the trouble.

My apologies for not ruling earlier, but I've been working all day.

The OP/thread starter has final say so as to what feats, abilities, powers, and which version of which character they wish to use. PERIOD.

Back to topic, please, and with the stipulations set by the thread starter in the OP.

Anyway, I just realized I was the OP, any Cap feats are viable.

Sorry about the confusion, guys.

The Op was perfectly clear, he didn't say that only feats from FA are allowed, therefore all canon feats for Cap are admissible.

Yeah, no.

My ruling was that the OP stated Cap from The First Avenger and no other versions.

The OP is indistinguishable, despite the claims of others.

Back to topic.

The op is from 2011, so it's not like he named FA in an effort to restrict usable feats for MCU Cap, but rather to indicate which movie universe Cap was from.

Even using only FA feats, Cap wins.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
If you understood the point about people becoming better, than we wouldn't be having this discussion. You were claiming that since he's the same CAP all his feats apply, even if a specific movie is mentioned. That is how we got into this discussion. If you have ANYTHING from the OP that NOW states he intended for all Cap feats to be included and he still thinks it's a good fight. Fine. But until then you're just extrapolating what he intended and intended now. I need no such extrapolation. He said which movie, that is the movie I'm going from. Stop acting like I'm going against the OP's intent. That couldn't be further from the truth, in fact, I'm going with EXACTLY the version he wanted to use.

if you were in agreement with me about skill and abilities increasing than how can you not see that one particular version of Cap might be better against opponent B.. because he hadn't increased to those level yet? How is this simple and easy to discern fact alluding you? So you concede that indeed, some version of Cap are better suited to certain opponents? Correct? Thus, why is it so hard to believe that maybe, just maybe this version of Cap is better for this fight?

So you are just going to read what you want instead of what I am actually posting? Not surprised, this is not the first time, or the second, you have done this.

Look at the matches. Arm Wrestling - Pure strength. Cap is at peak from first film.
Durability test - Cap's been at human pinnacle from the very start there as well.
The only one where skill levels makes a difference is fight 3, and Cap has enough from TFA to win there in anyways. I have NEVER argued that his combat skill level hasn't increased. I said the direct opposite. I have said that his PHYSICAL stats have not increased, he has simply gotten more feats by virtue of being in more films. But you have ignored this time and time again in favour of reading what you want and then responding to that instead.

If you want to claim that Cap physically became stronger, physically became more durable, physically became faster, even though we KNOW he was enhanced to the VERY PEAK of human potential in TFA already, you have to prove it. That is why I have been asking you over and over, and you have been dodging over and over, do you think that Cap's face magically just became a whole lot tougher in between TFA and TWS? To such a degree that he could tank Bucky's punches in one but no the other? And if so, based on what?

I am beyond caring what the OP meant. As I have already stated, Cap wins regardless. I am interested in knowing why you are so vehemently against the use of physical stat feats when there is no reason to believe that the film they occur in makes any difference. And before you fly off the handle again, I am not saying ALL feats. For example, Cap from TWS is most definitely a more skilled combatant than he is in TFA, but I don't see any reason to believe he is physically any different otherwise. So why do you?

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
So you are just going to read what you want instead of what I am actually posting? Not surprised, this is not the first time, or the second, you have done this.

Look at the matches. Arm Wrestling - Pure strength. Cap is at peak from first film.
Durability test - Cap's been at human pinnacle from the very start there as well.
The only one where skill levels makes a difference is fight 3, and Cap has enough from TFA to win there in anyways. I have NEVER argued that his combat skill level hasn't increased. I said the direct opposite. I have said that his PHYSICAL stats have not increased, he has simply gotten more feats by virtue of being in more films. But you have ignored this time and time again in favour of reading what you want and then responding to that instead.

If you want to claim that Cap physically became stronger, physically became more durable, physically became faster, even though we KNOW he was enhanced to the VERY PEAK of human potential in TFA already, you have to prove it. That is why I have been asking you over and over, and you have been dodging over and over, do you think that Cap's face magically just became a whole lot tougher in between TFA and TWS? To such a degree that he could tank Bucky's punches in one but no the other? And if so, based on what?

I am beyond caring what the OP meant. As I have already stated, Cap wins regardless. I am interested in knowing why you are so vehemently against the use of physical stat feats when there is no reason to believe that the film they occur in makes any difference. And before you fly off the handle again, I am not saying ALL feats. For example, Cap from TWS is most definitely a more skilled combatant than he is in TFA, but I don't see any reason to believe he is physically any different otherwise. So why do you?

you answered your own question, because there IS a vs. fight in this scenario, thus it makes a WORLD of difference which version we are using. How on God's Green Earth has this alluded you. Comprehension failure for the loss. That is EXCACTLY why I'm having to clarify WHICH Cap we are using. Clearly the OP felt FA Cap was a good match.. after all he SPECIFIED which one he wanted used for God's sake. I don't know one way or another what his intentions are now, all I know is what his intentions were then. Guess what, it was FA Cap. Period, with no ambiguity.

Further, I'm also befuddled how you can't comprehend that not only would skill and abilities increase but it's not all about what your default level of strength always is. Have you ever watched pro arm wrestling before? The reigning champion isn't even the biggest guy, not even close. Nor is he the strongest guy in a weight lifting sense. But he's certainly the best with his reactions, form and leverage. Form and leverage are learned attributes, not given. You could have somebody who's naturally only this strong... but through training and exercise could lift more than his exact clone with his exact same potential because he's learned about things like leverage. I'm not convinced you've never in your life lifted a weight, or for that matter, ever watched a combat sport in your life.

Originally posted by Impediment
Yeah, no.

My ruling was that the OP stated Cap from The First Avenger and no other versions.

The OP is indistinguishable, despite the claims of others.

Back to topic.

Exactly as I've been saying. Thank you for clarifying Imp.

BTW, here are three other movie Cap threads that the Op has started and not once does he mention anything about restricting feats.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=554658&pagenumber=1
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=594522&pagenumber=1
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=565443

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Is Silent still posting after being proven wrong? LMAO

Laugh all you want, but I've shown that the thread starter has made several Cap related threads and not once did he restrict feats. so while I'll respect Imp's ruling. it's clear to everyone that the Op naming the movie was just so people would know it was the MCU version of Cap and not the Ultimate or 90's version.