PISless Superman vs PISless Martian Manhunter

Who wins the majority?

PIS and CIS is off for both.

Jonn.

MM

Iv always seen MM and Supes as being the 2 most powerful Leaguers really.. If anyone is Supes equal on the League its MM. But he seems to be seriously under rated on these boards.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Iv always seen MM and Supes as being the 2 most powerful Leaguers really.. If anyone is Supes equal on the League its MM. But he seems to be seriously under rated on these boards.

Yeah, but in this topic there is no PIS, which may have been present in the other debates (not that I agree he would lose in a battle with PIS on). MM's versatility will nullify whatever physical advantages Supes has over him and then some.

I do agree MM is under-rated though. If he used all his powers proficiently as a genius and a veteran like himself would, he is in my opinion, one of the strongest in his tier.

Originally posted by Placidity
Yeah, but in this topic there is no PIS, which may have been present in the other debates (not that I agree he would lose in a battle with PIS on). MM's versatility will nullify whatever physical advantages Supes has over him and then some.

I do agree MM is under-rated though. If he used all his powers proficiently as a genius and a veteran like himself would, he is in my opinion, one of the strongest in his tier.

Do you consider MM a high herald?

Originally posted by carver9
Do you consider MM a high herald?

I would rank him ahead of Superman in terms of overall power, that is, his power set is greater.

Now let me ask you this:

Since the most obvious attributes Superman has over Jonn is Speed and Strength, if Superman's was 100 for both, what would Jonn's be?

Originally posted by Placidity
I would rank him ahead of Superman in terms of overall power, that is, his power set is greater.

Now let me ask you this:

Since the most obvious attributes Superman has over Jonn is Speed and Strength, if Superman's was 100 for both, what would Jonn's be?

I don't consider MM that far away strength or speed wise than most top tiers.

If Superman and Thor scale is a 100, I would say Martian Manhunter is either a 90 or 95. It has also been stated that MM can amp his punches to match Supermans strength.

I consider him a high Herald, I just wanted to see what others thought of him.

Martian Manhunter IS underated but his appearances in comics doesn't help him.

PIS isn't what afflicts J'onn, it's CIS. 🙂

^Basically but I'll assume you mean an all out on either. Well for New Earth I'd say Manhunter but PC I'd go with supes if you include his more obscure powers and things like superconcentration and that kryptonian meditation that blocks TP. Heatvision is a big factor as well. If Supes blast Manhunter with a blast that could melt the surface of a planet from orbit Manhunter is screwed. (hyperbole for people who are going to be sticklers for accuracy but take it for the point that it's intended to make)

So actually New Earth Supes has a chance but I think it comes down to who fries who first Supes with heatvision or MM with TP.

PC I think Supes takes it.

Also is Superman allowed to go and get those choco cookies that MM loves so much if so it's instawin for Superman.

Superman wins,

hes clearly superior in all the powers they share and the only power the Martian has that could help is TP. That in itself is not enough, in my opinion

Hasn't HV affected Jonn in phased form? If so then HV ftw.
Also what are Jonn's speed feats?
I'm thinking Superman will just combo him to ko before he can act.

Combo to KO...the solution to all of life's problems.

^ forget combos Hadouken spam ftw

Originally posted by paisapower
Superman wins,

hes clearly superior in all the powers they share and the only power the Martian has that could help is TP. That in itself is not enough, in my opinion

You forgot Intangibility.. TP and Phasing can easily be 2 HUGE deal breakers. Especially when we're talking about one of the most powerful telepaths in comics, who also has enough strength and speed to go toe to toe with Supes without TP or Phasing..

Originally posted by h1a8
Hasn't HV affected Jonn in phased form? If so then HV ftw.

Jonn phased right through SBP's HV, so Superman's should'nt be any different really. But then again logic doesn't count for much in comics.

Originally posted by h1a8
Also what are Jonn's speed feats?
I'm thinking Superman will just combo him to ko before he can act.

Nah he's not the Hulk. Although probably slower than Supes, he's too fast to get blitzed IMO.

I see this going 50/50.

MM best chances would be his telepathy, but Superman has resisted high end telepath more than once.

frankly, without tp, i'm not sure jonn can win. supes's durability is just too great and while i think the tp could mess clark up, i'm not a 100% it would be enough given clark's showings vs tp's. mm would certainly make a fight of it, but in the end i think supes would take it. it might go something similar to clark's battle against protex...

clark 7-8/10 imo

People forget, even IF Superman can resist Jonn putting him down with TP, he still can't touch Jonn. Jonn can still read his mind and be one step ahead of him every time, he won't get touched with his combination of mind-reading and intangibility.

J'onn

Originally posted by Placidity
People forget, even IF Superman can resist Jonn putting him down with TP, he still can't touch Jonn. Jonn can still read his mind and be one step ahead of him every time, he won't get touched with his combination of mind-reading and intangibility.