Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well SBP's HV went right through an Intangible MM, so that would suggest the Supes HV would have no effect either.As for Supes Intangibility, how many times has he even used that?? Im guessing he cant do it with the same ease as MM.
SBP is not Supes and has never used his HV with his finess (internal HV, 360 HV, HV heart massages, repairing the fabric of space, tagging intangible beings and the list goes on)
I could actually see Supes using his speed to match MM intangibility frequency (like Flash did)and reversing it in order to then hammer him
Originally posted by paisapowerThat's more PC supes though. I said it before PC with his esoteric powers Supes definitely has a great deal more to bring to the table considering I'm assuming OP meant CIS off all/most powers included. I think MM would win on general tendency now adays but CIS off Fernus vs a ruthless Supes who'd sundip off the bat??? CIS off Supes is definitely one of the heaviest hitters in existence and I mean that more than physically but his ability to solve problems as well and Fernus is not the toughest thing Superman could ever face or has faced. Besides Supes just whips up some of those chocolate cookies MM can't resist and its an instawin.
SBP is not Supes and has never used his HV with his finess (internal HV, 360 HV, HV heart massages, repairing the fabric of space, tagging intangible beings and the list goes on)I could actually see Supes using his speed to match MM intangibility frequency (like Flash did)and reversing it in order to then hammer him
Originally posted by Uriel005Uhm... those were all post crisis feats of heat vision, and actually, pretty much all in the last decade. 😉
That's more PC supes though. I said it before PC with his esoteric powers Supes definitely has a great deal more to bring to the table considering I'm assuming OP meant CIS off all/most powers included. I think MM would win on general tendency now adays but CIS off Fernus vs a ruthless Supes who'd sundip off the bat??? CIS off Supes is definitely one of the heaviest hitters in existence and I mean that more than physically but his ability to solve problems as well and Fernus is not the toughest thing Superman could ever face or has faced. Besides Supes just whips up some of those chocolate cookies MM can't resist and its an instawin.
Originally posted by Martian_mindMakes you wonder, doesn't it? Because J'onn himself has admitted it. We have on panel evidence of Superman throwing J'onn out of his mind, just to prove he can. And just as well- has thrown J'onn through a loop merely contacting his mind. We also have other comparisons, like Aquaman and J'onn getting Dominated by Despero rather easily, at the same time, in mental combat. He was unable to do the same to Clark.
The only times Jonn has had issues with Supes in regards to Tp is when he is entering Supes mind as a favour or some other entity is affecting Supes mind.I can think of three examples of the top of my head when Jonn has messed with Supes head with no visible effort.
These threads are pointless. The logical/intelligent posters always back Jonn, while the ignorant/fanboys will always go with big blue, and you just can't change that.
Yeah..
Martian Manhunter says that a kryptonian mind is different from a human one, and if Clark is focused on not being found, he could not find him by his thoughts.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/BSupesTelepathyMM.jpgSuperman’s consciousness is so strong it sends J’onn on the ground when he tries to mindprobe.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/jonnconsciousness1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/jonnconsciousness2.jpgHe resists Hammond’s telepathy when every other super hero could not (including Martian Manhunter); Gets close to Hammon’s mind-control machine as the hold becomes stronger, and he still resists it.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/hammondtelepathy1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/hammondtelepathy2.jpgIs the last one to resist Despero’s mind control when he attacks the JLA – with Despero complementing him on his kryptonian mind.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/desperotelepathy1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/desperotelepathy2.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/desperotelepathy3.jpg
...about that...
His heat vision affects the intangible Weird
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/HVIntangible1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/HVIntangible2.jpgGoes intangible as Mongul and Mongal’s energy blast goes through him.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/intangiblemongul.jpgVibrates intangible through Doomsday’s attacks.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/intangibledoomsday.jpgVibrates so fast he changes the frequency he operates on so that the hallucinogenic pulses don’t touch him.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/VibratingFrequency.jpgHe can use superspeed to imitate and/or change his vibrational pattern to imitate a different one.
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/vibrationalpattern.jpgMatches the vibrational frequency of a ghost Earth.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/vibrationghostearth1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/vibrationghostearth2.jpg
And last, but not least..
Sorry, Martian Mind, but you can eat a dick.
ha-som
It's amusing how much those scans fail to prove Jonn can't affect Superman's mind. So Superman can hide himself from a worldwide scan? Means dick all as it's a completely different ballgame when Jonn and he are one on one
Just to let you know, that scan means that the mindraping of the entire villian community and the punking of Firestorm was the work of Jonn, not fernus.
Which means that this incident, which is followed by Superman getting pissy at Jonn for reading his mind (I do not have the second page scanned, dunno why, don't care enough to do it.) shows Jonn can waltz in there calm as he pleases.While mindraping the rest of the planet. I could post scans of how a dying Jonn who had been beaten and starved for weeks sent Superman screaming from the sky half a world away during final crisis. Or How Jonn wiped Superman's mind against his wishes during their second round with the White Martians, but alas it's past midnight here and I know all you'll do is throw up excuses and try to act superior.
The other showing is exactly what I referenced, Jonn does a friendly probe,WHICH HE EVEN SAYS ALLOWED HIM TO GET SOMEWHERE, and is repulsed. Big deal. Let's not forget:
Jonn was constantly mindraping Prometheus at the time as well. Oh, and he was also keeping the Key in a telepathic Coma at the same time.
The Despero showing is idiotic. Superman is last standing because he fought Despero last, simple as that. If you reread the comic you will find that every possession goes panel of Despero looking at victim, followed by panel of victim conquered by Despero. Superman never hits stage 2 because someone else always saves his spandex covered ass. Hammond means dick all too as well. In Brynes run on JLA Superman is left as a telepathic slave to a girl that both Batman and Jonn resist. On Rann Jonn is the only one able to block out the telepathic mindprobes.
I'll gladly eat a dick the day you know what you're talking about. Which won't be for a while I assume. Anyone who thinks a CISless, PIS less Jonn can't mindrape the man of steel is a fanboy or retarded, you people have no middle ground.
Except Carver when it comes to Hulk. He is both.
People are forgetting one of MM's greatest abilities: Shapeshifting. Its very difficult to physically beat down a shapeshifter, especially one almost as strong and fast as Supes.
And theres no way Supes is gna beat MM at the Intangibility game. And cant he also increase his density to virtual invulnerability??
Oh and since SBP's HV could not effect MM's Intangible form Im not believing Supes can until we at least see some clear evidence specific to MM, or at least to another Martian. And besides MM could counter HV with his own Martian Vision.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERYeah as far as im concerned SBP's hv is stronger. in SC war he pierced right through Supes like butter with it and he was weakening because he lost his solar converter suit.
People are forgetting one of MM's greatest abilities: Shapeshifting. Its very difficult to physically beat down a shapeshifter, especially one almost as strong and fast as Supes.And theres no way Supes is gna beat MM at the Intangibility game. And cant he also increase his density to virtual invulnerability??
Oh and since SBP's HV could not effect MM's Intangible form Im not believing Supes can until we at least see some clear evidence specific to MM, or at least to another Martian. And besides MM could counter HV with his own Martian Vision.
